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#26

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This thread, and some of the things said, really disturbs me. I've obviously faced a shocking amount of prejudice and homophobia in my life (my name reflects the town I live in and the amount of BS I've had to go through), but to me it has no place in the theatre. Really it should have no place in the world, but that's just unrealistic. I just can't believe people so cultured and open-minded to see a show like Spring Awakening or really anything on Broadway would not only be disgusted, but actually LEAVE a show over gay content.

To quote one of my favorite movies, "It's just love. What's everyone so scared of?"
#27

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Chacun son gout. To each his own. Theatre doesn't have an entrance requirement to attend, and walk-outs are inevitable, but part of Spring Awakening is its salaciousness (especially from a marketing standpoint). I can only hope that whenever someone walks out, they do so tastefully and without making a scene. Sometimes, you don't realize what you're getting yourself into when you go see a show - it may not be "your thing." What's slightly weird about this walkout is that it happened three-quarters of the way through Act Two. I bet the husband was perturbed by more than just two guys singing about getting it on. That was probably the straw that broke the camel's back, from what I can reasonably infer. I recently performed in a controversial show that had a few walkouts. I'm very thankful audience members were discreet when walking-out, and even more thankful that theatre can still spark controversy and provoke strong feelings, either way. He stood up to his beliefs, didn't give in to the show, had a lousy evening, and supported live theatre on Broadway in the process.

It doesn't offend me when two men kiss, it offends me when characters in musicals are two-dimensional, hackneyed, and bland as old oatmeal (as in Mamma Mia!). Sorry, I just couldn't resist the urge to beat on MM...even if Catherine Johnson reads this board, she's laughing all the way to the bank.

Corine2, as for your other rant: every Broadway theatre owner has to address this issue. Most Broadway houses were built long before ADA issues were commonplace, and most theatres have tried to deal with compliancy issues up to a certain degree - aisle accessible seats and companion seats, ramps where there used to be steps, and other accommdations as well. Though many fall way short of ideal ADA accommodations.

I'm sure that Jujamcyn is well aware of the bathroom issue at their theatre. The O'Neill is one of those very-landlocked houses that crams a lot into a tiny space - it's a medium sized Broadway theatre with a fair number of seats, miniscule lobby, and very little room at the back of the house. It's "lounge" area in the basement is even more pathetic - woefully small and a sliver of what it's more opulent past was like.... I'm guessing there's very little room (if any at all) for an elevator or even a motorized chair assist to the basement (the stairwell is tiny, if I recall). It's a shame that not everywhere in 21st Century Midtown Manhattan is wheelchair friendly.

However, did you try approaching the House Manager about this bathroom situation or the Box Office Manager (when purchasing or picking up a ticket)? I'm sure they have some sort of plan in place to help out persons in wheelchairs, and they shouldn't give you a hard time about it either.
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#28

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I'm assuming that most posters on this thread are considerably younger than I am (62), but if any of you think that homophobia is bad NOW, you should have been around in the '50s and early '60s. It's still there, it's still wrong, but I have the advantage of having seen some headway being made towards a more tolerant theatre. Progress may not be as fast as we'd like, but slow progress is better than no progress, IMO.
BroadwayEd
#29

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that makes me sad...and I agree with everyone who is saying that it is kind of ridiculous that they would walk out during two gays kissing, and they didn't walk out during the sex, the jacking off...etc.

i don't know why, but straight guys ( no offense) always seem so bothered by two guys kissing, whereas they have no problem with two girls kissing. as a straight girl, while i may not love to watch two girls kissing, it would never make me leave a show. (RENT anyone?) thoughts?
"The good news is I have an excellent Tony speech. The bad news is I've had it for forty-five years."-Elaine Stritch
#30

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I sat next to a wheelchair bound individual once at the Eugene O'Neill and when they asked an usher about a handicap bathroom they were told that the theatre has an agreement with the hotel next door to allow any handicap or wheelchair bound patrons to use their bathroom which is on the second floor and accessible by elevator.

***THE FOLLOWING STATEMENT IS PURELY SPECULATION***

I am no expert but I believe that since most, if not all Broadway theaters are considered historical landmarks they are covered under the National Historic Preservation Act of 1966 which prevents them from being altered ie: the installation of elevators or construction that would alter the original floor plans.

I think that would mean that the The Preservation Act has precedence over the Americans with Disabilities Act of 1990 and would have to be amended.

In order to get that changed, people will need to write their Congressman.

I'm not say that this is right but it may be a reason.



Updated On: 11/4/08 at 12:59 PM

#31

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These things AMAZE me

I mean ive worked in theatre in the UK for many years and i have NEVER seen this happen here
Namo i love u but we get it already....you don't like Madonna
#32

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Eh, I saw an elderly couple leave 'The Bacchae' when the worst thing that had happened at that point was Dionysus flashing his ass and wearing a skirt. Probably for the best, they'd've HAAAAATED the cross-dressing later on.

What amuses me is that 'Spring Awakening' has been around for a great many years. But still, apparently, not long enough for these people to figure out what it's about before spending dollars to see it. Winners!

Notes from the Earlham Street Gutter
#33

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Yeah, I agree. Find out what the show is about before you see it morons!
KFTC!!!!!
#35

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When I was there an elderly couple in front of me looked very uncomfortable during the Hanschen/Ernst flirting (didn't make it to the kiss) and the sex scene, and they didn't return after intermission.

Unfortunetaly, it happens. =/
"I told you, NO Rodgers and Hammerstein!"- Bart Simpson
#36

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Aren't public sites required to have a handicap elevator thing?
And that's ridiculous with the couple walking out. If you are going to such a striking show you should know what you are getting into.
#38

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To get off-topic, but more addressing the other issue in the original post...Though I do admit it's kind of messed up to forced handicapped individuals to go next door to use the restrooms that Tom1071 mentioned, I do have a note about this. When I went to see Spring Awakening this past summer I had onstage seating and ended up talking to the girl next to me, who claimed to have seen the show over fifty times (at first I heard 15 and even said, "Wow! Fifteen - that's a lot", only to realize...wow). The one benefit of this was that at intermission, rather than waiting in that HORRIBLE line for the bathroom, she showed me the bathroom next door. You just exit the theater and go the hotel (I believe to the right). There's this really nice glass elevator that takes you to the second floor and the bathrooms are nice and not at all busy. It's kind of the best thing ever in terms of time-crunching. Since I had onstage seating I still had time to buy more stuff I didn't need, put it in my locker, buy a drink, down said drink, and get back to my seat. Quite the find to tell you the truth. Even if Spring Awakening is closing soon, whenever something plays at the Eugene O'Neill in the future I have this. Yay.
Oh, and winter_sky, thank you so much for recognizing the quote. It was one of the first gay films I ever saw when I was younger (pre-coming out and living in a very conservative homophobic family) and that line has always stuck with me since. So thanks. re: HOMOPHOBIA IN THE THEATRE.

Updated On: 11/5/08 at 08:53 AM

#39

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Well, I guess those two dimwits that left voted yes on Prop 8! re: HOMOPHOBIA IN THE THEATRE.
I once heard someone describe her (Ruthie Henshall) singing as sounding as though she's trying to swallow a whole meatball slightly larger than her windpipe. (The same person compared Michael Ball's singing to sounding as though he's sitting on a washing machine on spin cycle and Colm Wilkinson's to a man with a paralyzed lip trying to eat cottage cheese.) --- Schmerg_The_Impaler
#40

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When I was at Rent10, these two guys in front of me FREAKED OUT at the end of "I'll Cover You" their initial reaction was something along the lines of "UGH! I did NOT need to see that!"

like really, you're paying $1000 to see RENT and are offended by and/or weren't aware of the fact that there is a kiss between two men...

oh the woes of ignorance.
<-- Gwen Stewart, SOLoist at the last show of RENT
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#41

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I'm about the same age as Ed M. You have to have a bit of patience. We've come such a long way since I was a kid in the 50's. Just the fact that Spring Awakening can be accepted by the bulk of today's society would have seemed impossible to me years ago. Just consider this election.

Also you have to be careful about button holing people into generalized groups. I recently attended a Janet Jackson concert in San Diego with two very conservative gay friends. One was quite surprised and taken back by a very graphic S and M number performed during the concert. Several people at the concert had brought older children and pre-teens. We saw several leave.

Change takes time but it's happening at lightning speed compared to the past.



#42

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I'm sorry that you were offended by the scene, but I've always found it to be very touching AND funny. The fear from Ernst...not understanding how he was feeling that goes to euphoria once it is realized and returned...I think it is beautiful. (but can only be so lovely since Hanschen is a predator)
If we're not having fun, then why are we doing it? These are DISCUSSION boards, not mutual admiration boards. Discussion only occurs when we are willing to hear what others are thinking, regardless of whether it is alignment to our own thoughts.
#43

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Here in Los Angeles, I've seen two productions at the Ahmanson that got some interesting responses:

Color Purple - I was sitting in the Mezzanine with a mostly african-american audience. When the lesbian kissing scene comes on, one person starts yelling out "sin, gross" and some people booed at the actors on stage.

Spring Awakening -- During the kissing scene, there were more giggles and whooping than anything really.

(on a side during Spring Awakening, during the opening of the second act -- some nutcase in Orchestra was yelling loudly at the stage: " F - You! You are Mother F-er!" It was really weird.
#44

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Not quite the same thing, but years ago in our community theatre, Fiddler on the Roof had just started when a couple got up from their seats, marched up the aisle and exited the theatre saying "we moved here to get away from the Jews. We're not going to sit and watch a show about them". One wanted to be angry about their blatant anti-semitic attitude, but instead everyone just felt sorry for their being so stupid they had no idea Fiddler on the Roof was about Jews. Bigots = idiots. There is often little difference.

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