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#1

Hillary STILL hasn't gotten the message!

Please, Hillary supporters (and former Hillary supporters)! Call or write your candidate to urge her to step aside. McCain has begun his campaign in earnest- Every dollar and minute Obama has to spend campaigning in the remaining primary races is wasted. He & Hillary should be out on the road driving home the reasons McCain should not be elected!

"WASHINGTON (AP) — Hillary Rodham Clinton says she will remain in the presidential race "until there's a nominee." The former first lady declined to say whether that meant through the roll call of the states at the Democratic National Convention this summer.

Clinton also disclosed that she had loaned her campaign an additional $6.4 million in recent weeks, additional evidence that her once front-runner campaign was in deep trouble.

She told reporters the loans were a sign of her commitment to her quest for the White House. She earlier loaned herself $5 million as she struggled to keep up with a better-financed Obama campaign.

Meanwhile, Barack Obama pocketed the support of at least four Democratic convention superdelegates on Wednesday, building on the momentum from a convincing North Carolina primary victory.

Obama, now the front-runner, was home in Chicago during the day as his aides spread word that he would soon begin campaigning in states likely to be pivotal in the fall campaign. They also relayed word of the four endorsements, expected to be made public later in the day. Both disclosures were meant to signal fresh confidence that the nomination was quickly coming into his possession after a grueling marathon across 15 months and nearly all 50 states."



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#2

re: Hillary STILL hasn't gotten the message!

She gets to choose when she and if she drops out. She's earned that. What's more important is the tone going forward. She can continue to campaign on issues, and direct all things negative toward McCain. As long as she's not running the 3AM ads, or the "What's happened to Obama" ads, she's not doing her party any harm.
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#3

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I have to think that Hillary has a Plan B. She had to put her POTUS campaign on hold so Al Gore could run in 2000 and John Kerry could run in 2004. She's not giving up. If Obama gets the nom and McCain wins, the DNC will have one angry woman to deal with in 2012.
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#4

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I'm beginning to worry about her future with the party. If she doesn't step aside soon and make a forceful endorsement of the party's nominee, her career is finished.
#5

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"I'm beginning to worry about her future with the party."

I'm beginning to worry about the party. If an upstart with little experience like Obama can come along and beat a seasoned pro like Hillary, it could cause the Democrats to split.
If anyone ever tells you that you put too much Parmesan cheese on your pasta, stop talking to them. You don't need that kind of negativity in your life.
#6

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Huh? I'm pretty sure Hillary didn't run for president in 2000 because she was running for senate so she could prepare to run for president in eight years. She needed at least more than ex First Lady on her resume. And I'm pretty sure Hillary Clinton wouldn't have waited for freakin' John Kerry if she had felt ready to run in '04.

That's a nice thought though. Thousands of US soldier and Iraqi deaths later, probable war with Iran, economic and energy crises, Hillary could maybe try again in 2012!

Hillary's staying in it because she has bills to pay and she wants to be VP. She can do what she likes, it's her right, but it does seem a bit disingenuous to ask for money at this point.
yr ronin,
joey
#7

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If she wanted to be VP (she certainly does not), all she'd need to do is pick up the phone and make the deal. Staying in the race only lessens the chances of a Democratic president in 2009.
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"Hillary's staying in it because she has bills to pay and she wants to be VP. She can do what she likes, it's her right, but it does seem a bit disingenuous to ask for money at this point."

A bit disingenous...the whole notion of entitlement turned me off from day one.
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#9

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Just because I now support Obama doesn't mean I think she should pull out of the race. He still doesn't have the math to win. She believes that there are more primaries, only she can defeat John McCain and if Florida and Michigan were counted, she would be in the lead.

When he's got 2024 (or 220re: Hillary STILL hasn't gotten the message! delegates in his pocket, that's when I'll ask her to step down.

In the meantime, staying in the race exhibits everything I admire about her: perseverance and conviction.

If Al Gore had her perseverance, he wouldn't have backed away from that recount.
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Here's their "math":

The Clinton campaign emphasizes that they believe the FL and MI delegates "should be seated in full representation". If you do add in FL and MI, with both the delegate total and the popular vote, it currently stands at Obama having a lead by 26 delegates, 1916-1890, with 55 being uncommitted from MI, 32 with Edwards, and 522 remaining delegates to be chosen (217 delegates and 305 superdelegates).
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"If Al Gore had her perseverance, he wouldn't have backed away from that recount."

Well, let's be fair. She was sworn in as Senator on January 3, 2001. Then on January 6, 2001, a joint-session of Congress met to certify the electoral vote.

As we all know, 20 members of the House wished to file objections to the electoral votes in Florida. But they needed a single Senator to cosponsor. But, as we also know, not a single Senator (which at that point included Hillary Clinton) would cosponsor. Thus, Gore had to rule the objections as out-of-order.

ETA: I'm not blaming her or Gore. But if you DO blame Gore for not persevering, you also have to blame every single Democratic Senator who on January 6, 2001 refused to cosponsor the objection.

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Updated On: 5/7/08 at 03:39 PM

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"the whole notion of entitlement turned me off from day one. "

That was my objection as well--and the fact that she defined herself through the achievements of her husband.

The longer she stays in, the worse her future becomes.
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That's interesting, I didn't know that. Do we know why she wouldn't cosponsor? Was she able?

PalJoey, if you want me to start posting videos of Hillary endorsing the 2024 delegate total, I will :P I think if Hillary Clinton REALLY cared about defeating John McCain, she wouldn't be undermining the probable nominee and she'd be doing everything in her power to elect the Democratic nominee in the fall. But far be it from me to question her integrity.

Joe, the ball's in Obama's court as far as VP goes. Choosing her has its pros and cons, and everyone recognizes it. She couldn't get it by simply picking up the phone, especially when Obama feels he can defeat her without having to offer it to her.
yr ronin,
joey
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When our country was founded, the person with the second amount of votes was elected VP. Why can't within our party that also be the rule? Then you know that your party is helping choose the ticket rather than insiders?

Perhaps that's naive and "lala" to desire.
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Every president should be able to pick his (her) own vice president. We no longer use that "First place president, second place Vice President" thing because of the danger of having a VP who DOES NOT want the president to succeed.

And of course, Obama will have the final decision. Btu despite everything that has happened, if Hillary picked up the phone and proposed running as his VP, Barack & Hillary would be on tonights 6 O'Clock news with Obama/Clinton 08 banners flying.
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Well, I don't agree that WE THE VOTERS shouldn't pick our candidates. I don't care about a fear of "sabotage" or anything we're told to think in order to go along with the "way it just is" now. If our voices mattered, and if the results show anything, it's that a huge part of the Democratic party wants Clinton to serve. That same percentage didn't want Richardson, that's why he had to drop out.

BUT I absolutely hope you're right that if/when Hillary picks up that phone at 3am to make a call to Obama, he'll be wise enough to say, "Hop on the bus, Gus!"
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Wikipedia explains the perils better than I:

The original plan, however, did not foresee the development of political parties and their adversarial role in the government. In the election of 1796, for instance, Federalist John Adams came in first, and Democratic-Republican Thomas Jefferson came second. Thus, the president and vice president were from opposing parties. Predictably, Adams and Jefferson clashed over issues such as states' rights and foreign policy.

A greater problem occurred in the election of 1800, in which the two participating parties each had a secondary candidate they intended to elect as vice president, but the more popular Democratic-Republican party failed to execute that plan with their electoral votes. Under the system in place at the time (Article Two, Section 1, Clause 3), the electors could not differentiate between their two candidates, so the plan had been for one elector to vote for Thomas Jefferson but not for Aaron Burr, thus putting Burr in second place. This plan broke down for reasons that are disputed, and both candidates received the same number of votes. After 35 deadlocked ballots in the U.S. House of Representatives, Jefferson finally won on the 36th ballot and Burr became vice president.


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I'm saying within the party, not between parties in the General Election.

Within the Democratic party, we're not going to face a melt-down if the VP (also a Dem) has a few policy differences from the Prez. After all, the VP's role is very minor. It's more about the "face" of the administration we elect.

In my case, if Richardson gets the VP nod, I'm REALLY going to have a hard time voting for Obama even though I know the VP's role isn't too grand.
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Plus that rule was made without the consideration of the development of political parties. Hence you got Adams and Jefferson, a mixed up couple if there ever was one, and the law was amended by 1804. I think it's not really a good idea.

Obama has several choices for VP that would be much more successful for him, ie Richardson (who has more experience than Clinton and may actually deliver some swing states for him) or Sebelius (woman vote). It's a question of whether he wants an expedient political quick fix or not. Choosing Clinton would be a bit hypocritical for him and everyone would know it. He needs someone subservient to him who still boosts his ticket, not someone he'll be battling with.
yr ronin,
joey
#20

With supporters like you...

PJ... you have an interesting way of supporting a candidate. You claim to support Obama now, but you don't think Hillary should drop out of the race because she still may have a chance of getting the nomination. You bring to everyone's attention the pile of s#!t that's going to be thrown at Obama by the Republicans and how, in the end, you still don't think he stands a chance of winning against McCain. With supporters like you... who needs Republicans?
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I just don't agree that the VP should "subservient" and not a strong force as well as the President. I don't feel secure enough to have Obama at the head, I'd feel much better seeing him and Clinton, even if she is wearing the "VP" cap and doesn't have an official voice all of the time.

This is my opinion, of course. And like I said, Richardson would be a deal-breaker for me. At least today as I'm still coming to the slow realization that I should take my "Hillary" sign out of my window soon.
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We knew Sebelius' father growing up in Kansas. She would be an interesting choice. Could she even deliver Kansas? That would be a shocker.
#23

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So g'ahead--kick me and everyone else who feels like me out of the party! G'ahead.

Ya got just about 50% of the party MAJORLY bummin' today--ya still wanna act like a bitch? G'ahead.

Why don't ya try to woo us a little, huh?
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Agreed. There are A LOT of us bummin' today.

At least if Clinton supporters switch to Obama, that'll mean he'll finally have some supporters with personality. (Tehehe.)
#25

that b*tch won't quit!

pj, you know you're welcome over here. cindy's got an ice-cold natty light for ya.
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