How smart is the Jersey Boys website?- Page 3

[442namffug]

Posted: 10/28/05 at 10:56pm

"I actually agree with you about the state of Broadway. It's pretty sad. It's getting to be like going to Disney World. I wish big audiences demanded more original, challenging plays."

There is only one person on this site (specifically, this thread) that has ANY common sense and any desire to experience true theatre...and that person is you, calexan.

Whatever my opinion is about Jersey Boys, is MY opininon. And I have no need to "back up" or "prove" my opininons with evidence. I was not writing a review.

I was simply using the rubbish that is Jersey Boys (and Lennon, and Good Vibrations, and Sweet Charity, and Fiddler on the Roof, and any other unnecessary piece of theatre that fails to prevoke thought) takes the art out of the theatrical community.

Take from that what you wish, but for any opinion that tries to challenge the above comments, there are probably 100 more who are saddened by the materialistic world that "theatre" has become.


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[ljay889]

Posted: 10/28/05 at 10:58pm

Grouping Fidder and Charity with Lennon and GV is scaring me.

Fiddler & Charity were two highly acclaimed hits of the 60's. And both have left their marks on Broadway. And both have timeless/classic scores.
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[442namffug]

Posted: 10/28/05 at 11:26pm

Ljay, you just further supported my point. So thank you.

Fiddler and Charity WERE two highly acclaimed hits.

They no LONGER are two highly acclaimed hits, as their stories have been unable to withstand the test of time. These revivals are empty of meaning and purpose and seem to have been re-produced "just for the fun of it"--maybe even because they "were two two highly acclaimed hits of the 60's"...Newsflash: Today is NOT the 60's.

Even if the SCORE is timeless, it doesn't mean the STORY or the MEANING of the piece is. These types of productions are truly wasted space on the Great White Way.

I grouped all of those shows together because they have many frailties and weaknesses in common...one of the biggest being: they don't belong on Broadway (or any theatre, for that matter) because they cannot resonate with a MAJORITY of theatre goers and don't raise the stakes for fresh adaptations or interpretations of old and tired stories.

[etoile]

Posted: 10/29/05 at 2:10am

Sad when someone doesn't understand, doesn't see the beauty, the art, the resonance in ANY production of Fiddler, but it certainly puts the weight of their opinions in perspective.

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[erikaamato]

Posted: 10/29/05 at 2:26am

"Sad when someone doesn't understand, doesn't see the beauty, the art, the resonance in ANY production of Fiddler, but it certainly puts the weight of their opinions in perspective."

etoile: You read my mind! Fiddler unable to resonate today???? The story doesn't hold up??????????? WHAT?????????????

[Broadwaydannyc]

Posted: 10/29/05 at 3:17am

"As embarassing as it is to admit it, since shows like these are ruining theatre and its reputation, I SAW JERSEY BOYS."

Wow, that certainly is painting with a broad brush there my friend. Just HOW is the theatre, and it's "reputation" being ruined by these types of shows?

I will be the first to admit that I am not the biggest fan of the so called "juke box musical", but there have been some successes and many failures of the genre. The theatrical marketplace decides what is good , bad, or entertaining enough to keep the customers in the seats.

In the case of this show, which I have yet to see, but plan to on December 1st, there is the potential to tell a very real, inspring story of the american entertainment dream, achieved by a few Jersey Boys who truly did live in the other side of the tracks.

My father was an entertainer during that period and was actully in the headliner act in Las Vegas where the Four Seasons were the second act with them. They became good friends, and I had the privelage of visiting with Frankie and Tommy in their homes in New Jersey as a young boy.

I remember my father talking Frankie out of becoming a hairdresser when it looked bad for the success of the group.
They stuck with it, SHERRY became a hit and the rest is history.

If they match the story of these guys with the great music, and do it right, I think they will have a hit and something above the normal "juke box musical".

It will be interesting to see how they address the ups and downs in their road to fame and fortune, knowing the "inside" story of their careers as I do.

You didn't enjoy it? Fine. But to dismiss all new ventures of this type with a broad storke as BAD for the theatre is unfair.

Dan

[Craig]

Posted: 10/29/05 at 12:11pm

Erika and Etoile, Brava

This thread has descended further and further into issues that sincerely concern me. Whether a production of Fiddler is good or bad is irrelevant to whether or not the show has meaning today. Are the themes and issues in La Cage not relevant today? Because I could swear that gay marriage is still controversial. Do people who have been in bad relationships and are looking for true love and staying true to oneself not identify with the elements of Sweet Charity?

Today is not the 60s. I don't even know what you really mean behind that statement. Do you just not like shows that some might label (incorrectly) as "dated"

While I may not like every revival being produced, I am grateful that they are - because not every generation has had the chance to see them done professionally. And any true student/fan/supporter/whatever of the arts would understand how important it is to never ignore the contributions of those that came before us.

As for these shows not offering anything new? Perhaps. I'm not going to argue that point. But so what? I think I actually prefer it in most cases. Shows like Fiddler, Sound of Music, Carousel and the like don't HAVE to be re-imagined. They are solid works and speak for themselves. Whether it's 1950 or 2050 - they are a part of the artform that had profound affects. Throwing them to the side in favor or "new" art is a terrifying thing. Should we then cast books like East of Eden, Tom Sawyer and The Great Gatbsy into the archives never to be reprinted for furture generations? Should movies like M, Citizen Kane, The Blue Angel, Goldrush never be reduped on DVD or whatever format for future generations? What makes theater any less important to revive?

As for you never making blanket statements or offending anyone - sarcastic or not, 442, typing such sentences like this show your true and extremist viewpoint

"There is only one person on this site (specifically, this thread) that has ANY common sense and any desire to experience true theatre...and that person is you, calexan."

I'll go sit with the millions of people beyond this board who apparently lack ANY common sense and any desire to experience true theatre. Bring on the faux theater!

[442namffug]

Posted: 10/29/05 at 12:19pm

I am entitled to my opinion.

As are you all.


My standards for theatre are higher or different than your standards. It all comes down to personal preference. Why are you trying to PERSUADE me to lower my standards?

It ain't going to work.

[Craig]

Posted: 10/29/05 at 12:22pm

No one is trying to PURSUADE you of anything. Like you, we are stating OUR opinions (caps for equal effect)

Enjoy your day.

[442namffug]

Posted: 10/29/05 at 12:35pm

"You didn't see a show you claimed to see...period. "

ddtruitt...I think you are stalking me....just trying to start an argument anywhere I go...just for the attention

Anyway, once again you lied. I have seen the show. And, once again, I will say that I don't give a SH*T if you believe me or not. Why should I prove anything to you? So I chose to not waste my time.

You continue to waste your time by trying to refute my opininons and continue to show a lack of understanding regarding my standards for theatre.

It's really that simple. I don't know what else you are going to try and scrounge up. Or spend all day trying to use the search function to try and prove me wrong (which so far, hasn't worked).

But whatever you do, I'm sure you'll continue to use the same hysterical and rediculous attitude. And I will continue to NOT CARE.

Enjoy your day!


You too Craig. I heart you.
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[MichaelCassara]

Posted: 10/29/05 at 1:17pm

WOW - Craig Brockman just alerted me to the monster I created... This is what I get for coming out of lurkdom. Amazing!

I really have nothing much to say about the bulk of things being said back and forth here... but I did want to respond to something one person said about the website... Yes, many shows do play sound clips and what-not, and many even do it in a rapid-fire succession. And, many shows have better designed and more content-filled sites, as well. My point is that - yes, for many months I was hearing about Jersey Boys and thinking "oh yeah, I loved Frankie Valli records growing up" but... then to HEAR everything - and hear how good the cast sounds - it kind of shifted it from a show I'd certainly see eventually - to a show I needed to see as soon as possible. That's great marketing. But it's also a great product.

And, maybe it's my own bias and/or heritage, but I have a gut feeling that this show, and this material, will resonate with a huge portion of the population and be tremendously successful.

[442namffug]

Posted: 10/29/05 at 1:57pm

MichaelCassara,

You win for the most concise and reasonable argument. Thank you for sharing your opinions with class and staying away from radical refutation.
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[442namffug]

Posted: 10/30/05 at 9:44am

"I won't let you."

You are becoming absolutely obsessed. Should I contact the authorities? Should we get you into a padded room? I think so.

It has become your LIFE to prove me wrong. And all I can do (and everyone else) is sit back and laugh at how ridiculous your claims are. Whenever you state that I "lie" (which is such an immature comment anyway), you have no proof to back it up.

How do you know that I never saw this show? I can guarantee you that I did. If you misconstrued or misunderstood my comments about how I said that the WEBSITE MAKES the show SEEM "pointless and unworthy" (as it actually does), than I can understand your confusion.

But to try and get people to gang up on me (which obviously isn't working, as people are realizing how silly you are) by continuing to lie and make things up is quite pathetic.

I think what you tried to prove is done now. It's over. I've proved you wrong time and time again and for you to continue to post silly comments like the ones you have been posting is unfortunate.
Updated On: 10/30/05 at 09:44 AM

[USTheater.TV]

Posted: 10/30/05 at 10:59am

Its an excellent site. THat's the way theatre website should be done to entertain the public just enough to hear or see that they are going to get good value for money.


Passionate About Theatre

[442namffug]

Posted: 10/30/05 at 11:01am

Your website is not passion. That's taking the easy way out. It's taking the art out of theatre.

[442namffug]

Posted: 10/30/05 at 12:01pm

Proving you wrong is just so easy and fun

"please, why don't YOU please point out to me where he has in ANY WAY proven he has seen this show...anyone??? Anyone??? Anyone???"

That's because they don't care! They take my word for it (because, who would lie about seeing a show?). And then they move on.

Which seems to be very hard for you. Moving on. Every time I suggest it, you just keep coming back.

Ha! Go figure.

[442namffug]

Posted: 10/30/05 at 12:27pm

Wow. Almost 30 minutes and now post from you!? I think I've finally shut you up. Now we can move on.

[etoile]

Posted: 10/30/05 at 12:37pm

Gee, 442, I was hoping we at least take you at your word when you posted...

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...many, many post ago. Credibility is a terrible thing to lose. You've demonstrated it. Sorry for your loss.

I do find it humorous that one would somehow suggest the volume of PMs one receives is an indicator of the truth. I, for one, have never put much stock in the piffle of 13 year old.

[442namffug]

Posted: 10/30/05 at 12:41pm

"We're obnoxious and disliked, you know that, Sir." ~ ddtruitt and etolie

Trust me, I'll continue to defend my credibility and reputation as long as anyone wants to try and call me a liar for no reason whatsoever.

"I, for one, have never put much stock in the piffle of 13 year old."

Apparantly you have access to my account and know for a FACT that these people are 13 years old? I know that they are NOT.

So now, etolie, YOU too are lying. And you just lost YOUR credibility. Not so sorry for your loss.

[etoile]

Posted: 10/30/05 at 12:52pm

Reading comprehension is a wonderful thing. I made a simple statement of fact that I don't but stock in piffle.

You leap to the conclusion that I was discussing your account. More the fool. You can attempt to twist words to your heart's content. Your words have no power over me. But nothing has been posted in this thread without a reason.

Have you ever given any thought to a career in politics?

[442namffug]

Posted: 10/30/05 at 12:56pm

"But nothing has been posted in this thread without a reason."

Ahem...reading comprehension?? The above statement has NOTHING to do with anything that I said. Why did you post it? Quite random.

I could post that "dog poop tastes good" but that doesn't have much to do with the discussion at hand, does it?


Just stay out of this. Thank you.

[etoile]

Posted: 10/30/05 at 1:12pm

You seem to be under the mistaken impression that you can not only dictate what constitutes "art" and "passion" but are also the arbiter of who should enter a thread and what direction it should take.

And for your clarification, "... call me a liar for no reason whatsoever. " prompted my assertion that nothing has been posted without a reason.

[442namffug]

Posted: 10/30/05 at 1:51pm

Your assumptions make an ass out of you.

[etoile]

Posted: 10/30/05 at 9:25pm

The word I used was assertion, my dear, not assumption.

No need to ask who's the ass. You've clarified it with your post, just not quite the way you've hoped, I'm sure.

Or, are you going to tell now me just how many PMs you've received? I imagine someone who would do that is the same type of person that always got the least amount of valentines in grade school and has never recovered from that trauma.