#26
Posted: 6/17/14 at 1:37pm
Oh, Matt - your sour humorlessness really knows no bounds, does it?
Idina Menzel at Radio City - a hot mess? — Page 2
#27
Posted: 6/17/14 at 1:41pm
LOL
That was even more ridiculous (and hypocritical) than your last post!
That was even more ridiculous (and hypocritical) than your last post!
"What can you expect from a bunch of seitan worshippers?" - Reginald Tresilian
#28
Posted: 6/17/14 at 1:45pm
Ohhhhh... I get it now. This is a self-medicating day for you.
#29
Posted: 6/17/14 at 1:49pm
While I don't dispute that a large portion of Idina fans are what you describe newintown, you make it sound like it isn't possible for someone to be a mature, theatrically educated fan of Idina Menzel.
"Oh look at the time, three more intelligent plays just closed and THE ADDAMS FAMILY made another million dollars" -Jackie Hoffman, Broadway.com Audience Awards
#30
Posted: 6/17/14 at 1:51pm
Just because I left those characters out of that one scene, IBF, that doesn't mean that I don't believe they exist.
However, a real discussion of Ms. M is, I believe, impossible - the fans get very angry at those who don't like her, and those who don't like her aren't going to magically turn into fans when snarled at by the fans.
However, a real discussion of Ms. M is, I believe, impossible - the fans get very angry at those who don't like her, and those who don't like her aren't going to magically turn into fans when snarled at by the fans.
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#31
Posted: 6/17/14 at 2:00pm
^
Sour and humourless.
However, a real discussion of Ms. M is, I believe, impossible - the fans get very angry at those who don't like her, and those who don't like her aren't going to magically turn into fans when snarled at by the fans.
Then perhaps you should have read the thread before posting. If you want a "discussion", then discuss. If you were just sniping immaturely, then simply admit to it. Mocking immature discussions in an immature manner isn't a discussion, either.
Sour and humourless.
However, a real discussion of Ms. M is, I believe, impossible - the fans get very angry at those who don't like her, and those who don't like her aren't going to magically turn into fans when snarled at by the fans.
Then perhaps you should have read the thread before posting. If you want a "discussion", then discuss. If you were just sniping immaturely, then simply admit to it. Mocking immature discussions in an immature manner isn't a discussion, either.
"What can you expect from a bunch of seitan worshippers?" - Reginald Tresilian
#32
Posted: 6/17/14 at 2:02pm
Matt, the grownups are talking now. Go play with your... whatever it is you play with.
#33
Posted: 6/17/14 at 2:04pm
I also really don't see anyone sniping in this thread at people who don't like Idina. I'll be the first to say that some of her fans can be genuinely bananas, but none of that is happening here. I'm also not sure why you would come into a thread about her solo concert to talk about how much you dislike her and mock her fans, especially when everyone thus far has been civil.
#34
Posted: 6/17/14 at 2:08pm
Such diminishing returns. Done!
#35
Posted: 6/17/14 at 2:12pm
perfectlymarvelous - After Eight newintown apparently just explained that being a grownup has nothing to do with civility or maturity and would rather lecture people on the definition of a discussion without actually participating in one. Does that clear it up?
"What can you expect from a bunch of seitan worshippers?" - Reginald Tresilian
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#36
Posted: 6/17/14 at 3:20pm
EW seems to have captured the evening pretty well
The 8 craziest things you missed at Idina Menzel's Radio City Music Hall concert
The 8 craziest things you missed at Idina Menzel's Radio City Music Hall concert
#37
Posted: 6/17/14 at 3:43pm
I can certainly understand newintown's reaction to what were probably some teenage girls. I would not expect him to have an understanding or appreciation of people 70-80 year's his junior.
#38
Posted: 6/17/14 at 3:58pm
Well if you want to have a grown up discussion, discuss how Idina's lack of proper technique and "vocal frailty" does not dissuade her fans. Indeed, many (All? Most) of the most beloved divas had very rough edges. I remember a much more educated music fan telling me about seeing Judy Garland and the knowledge that she was often "not at her best" made every performance that much more exciting and exquisite. If you were there on a magic night, you never forgot it. Doesn't Idina have that same quality? When she goes for that note at the end of "Gravity" we all cross our fingers.
#39
Posted: 6/17/14 at 4:00pm
I guess hunorlessness is the word du jour? Does it join or replace moist?
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#40
Posted: 6/17/14 at 4:09pm
JoeKv99, I agree with all of that. Part of what makes Idina so thrilling is that raw quality. When she goes for those big notes, you literally don't know what is going to happen, and I for one, love it.
"Oh look at the time, three more intelligent plays just closed and THE ADDAMS FAMILY made another million dollars" -Jackie Hoffman, Broadway.com Audience Awards
#41
Posted: 6/17/14 at 4:20pm
Whole chunks of the show are up on youtube now. I wasn't there, and though I enjoyed Idina in If/Then (and Wicked AND Rent) I wouldn't call myself a huge fan. Still, based on the clips, that girl is a wonder as a live concert performer. Really impressed by her emotional nakedness onstage and her smart song choices (loved her shoutout to Ethel Merman). I can easily see her packing them in at the Palace for her one-woman show when she's 70 and still giving life to NO DAY BUT TODAY.
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#42
Posted: 6/17/14 at 4:23pm
I for one would have love to have been there last night. I hope she does a couple of other shows like this and I can find a way to catch her in person.
If you want a technically clean/perfect singer, Idina is not your cup of tea. Go find someone else who can sing the same thing over and over again exactly the same - and never surprise you. I find her far more instinctive and intuitive, and rarely redundant in the performances I have heard. That was the magic of pairing her with Kristin in Wicked - they seem like total opposites in real life and in the way they approach performing,but on stage, they were magic together.
I am well beyond the fangirl age, but admit that I think it would be a blast to share a cocktail or two with Idina, because she does not seem scripted, forced, or manufactured. She owns up to her failures, admits to doubts (and sometimes seems to swim in them),and just seems genuine. And on stage, she is in the moment and honest.
If you want a technically clean/perfect singer, Idina is not your cup of tea. Go find someone else who can sing the same thing over and over again exactly the same - and never surprise you. I find her far more instinctive and intuitive, and rarely redundant in the performances I have heard. That was the magic of pairing her with Kristin in Wicked - they seem like total opposites in real life and in the way they approach performing,but on stage, they were magic together.
I am well beyond the fangirl age, but admit that I think it would be a blast to share a cocktail or two with Idina, because she does not seem scripted, forced, or manufactured. She owns up to her failures, admits to doubts (and sometimes seems to swim in them),and just seems genuine. And on stage, she is in the moment and honest.
Updated On: 6/17/14 at 04:23 PM
#43
Posted: 6/17/14 at 4:54pm
I think it's right up there with moist.
What do you call a man that's fun to laugh AT but not WITH?
HumorLesNessman!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
This is sort of what I imagine newintown to look like in a fit of delusional condescension.
"What can you expect from a bunch of seitan worshippers?" - Reginald Tresilian
#44
Posted: 6/17/14 at 5:11pm
Did someone really just compare Judy to Idina Menzel? Are you f'ing kidding me? Go back to watching Rent and Disney films kids.
As for some here not knowing who Merman is, that about explains it all: Kids with no knowledge of the past and no appreciation for it. To me, this is the typical Idina fan.
As for some here not knowing who Merman is, that about explains it all: Kids with no knowledge of the past and no appreciation for it. To me, this is the typical Idina fan.
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#45
Posted: 6/17/14 at 5:24pm
"Did someone really just compare Judy to Idina Menzel?"
Judy, or Liza, or Barbra, or even Barbara Cook-- any of them for that matter. They all moved from scripted musicals (either onstage or onscreen) to one-woman concerts in the second half of their careers. Idina strikes me as just such a performer.
And although I never saw Judy perform live (she died the week I turned 13), I don't consider myself one of the "Rent and Disney-film"-watching kids either. We folks in our 50's can still appreciate Menzel's talents without it being a stain on the sacred memory of Saint Judy .
Judy, or Liza, or Barbra, or even Barbara Cook-- any of them for that matter. They all moved from scripted musicals (either onstage or onscreen) to one-woman concerts in the second half of their careers. Idina strikes me as just such a performer.
And although I never saw Judy perform live (she died the week I turned 13), I don't consider myself one of the "Rent and Disney-film"-watching kids either. We folks in our 50's can still appreciate Menzel's talents without it being a stain on the sacred memory of Saint Judy .
#46
Posted: 6/17/14 at 5:25pm
Oh shut the hell up BenjaminNicholas2. No comparison to talent was made, just acknowledging both singers may not be what people would call technically pristine.
And as a fan of Merman, Garland, Streisand, Andrews, and yes Menzel, your "typical fan" is a BS comment
And as a fan of Merman, Garland, Streisand, Andrews, and yes Menzel, your "typical fan" is a BS comment
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#47
Posted: 6/17/14 at 5:26pm
BenjaminNicholas2 I mentioned not knowing much about Ethel Merman but I knew the songs and I could pick her voice out if you played her music in my vicinity. Appreciation for the past? I have that. Appreciation for the future? Got that too. I'm not a tween, teen, fangirl or even a girl in her twenties. Not that it should matter. Idina put on a very good concert. Nothing will change my opinion on that. Can't wait for her next show!
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#48
And people say Idina fans are annoying?!?!
As for some here not knowing who Merman is, that about explains it all: Kids with no knowledge of the past and no appreciation for it. To me, this is the typical Idina fan.
Hopefully, none of those "typical Idina fans" will grow up to be as pretentious as you sound. I do have to kind of chuckle at how quickly and inaccurately you judge those who like Idina Menzel. By your standards, I can only assume the typical Judy and Merman fans are bitter, narrow-minded, judgmental, mean old bitches with no knowledge of the present and no appreciation of contemporary opinion.
OMG themysteriousgrowl & robbiej: this is EXACTLY WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT!!!
We folks in our 50's can still appreciate Menzel's talents without it being a stain on the sacred memory of Saint Judy .
I can't possibly relate. I'm one of those barely pubescent mid-40s guys who doesn't know anything about Judy or Ethel because I'm at least 40 years younger than their fans.
Posted: 6/17/14 at 5:43pm
And people say Idina fans are annoying?!?!
As for some here not knowing who Merman is, that about explains it all: Kids with no knowledge of the past and no appreciation for it. To me, this is the typical Idina fan.
Hopefully, none of those "typical Idina fans" will grow up to be as pretentious as you sound. I do have to kind of chuckle at how quickly and inaccurately you judge those who like Idina Menzel. By your standards, I can only assume the typical Judy and Merman fans are bitter, narrow-minded, judgmental, mean old bitches with no knowledge of the present and no appreciation of contemporary opinion.
OMG themysteriousgrowl & robbiej: this is EXACTLY WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT!!!
We folks in our 50's can still appreciate Menzel's talents without it being a stain on the sacred memory of Saint Judy .
I can't possibly relate. I'm one of those barely pubescent mid-40s guys who doesn't know anything about Judy or Ethel because I'm at least 40 years younger than their fans.
"What can you expect from a bunch of seitan worshippers?" - Reginald Tresilian
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#49
Posted: 6/17/14 at 5:45pm
"And as a fan of Merman, Garland, Streisand, Andrews, and yes Menzel, your "typical fan" is a BS comment"
Well, it's not necessarily because you could be an exception. I would actually agree that the 'typical' young Idina Menzel fan does not play the OBC of GYPSY on repeat.
Not that even those who aren't Idina Menzel fan girls would always want to listen to Merman on repeat. I would listen to Patti, Bernadette or Angela's GYPSY recordings one hundred times over before considering listening to Merman. I never really got the sense that Merman could have any kind of emotional vulnerability at all from her audio recordings (namely Anything Goes, Annie Get your Gun and Gypsy), so I find her a chore to listen to (obviously because she is dead I haven't seen her live). I have no reservations or shame to say that I have never enjoyed a recording of Merman as much as I have Idina's NO GOOD DEED, DEFYING GRAVITY, LET IT GO or ALWAYS STARTING OVER. I prefer Idina Menzel's talents to Ethel Merman's.
Well, it's not necessarily because you could be an exception. I would actually agree that the 'typical' young Idina Menzel fan does not play the OBC of GYPSY on repeat.
Not that even those who aren't Idina Menzel fan girls would always want to listen to Merman on repeat. I would listen to Patti, Bernadette or Angela's GYPSY recordings one hundred times over before considering listening to Merman. I never really got the sense that Merman could have any kind of emotional vulnerability at all from her audio recordings (namely Anything Goes, Annie Get your Gun and Gypsy), so I find her a chore to listen to (obviously because she is dead I haven't seen her live). I have no reservations or shame to say that I have never enjoyed a recording of Merman as much as I have Idina's NO GOOD DEED, DEFYING GRAVITY, LET IT GO or ALWAYS STARTING OVER. I prefer Idina Menzel's talents to Ethel Merman's.
Give me claws and a hunch, just away from this bunch.
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