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Is broadway world paid to promote Hamilton?
Dave19
Broadway Legend Joined: 12/23/11
#75Is broadway world paid to promote Hamilton?
Posted: 2/22/16 at 6:45am
Jordan Catalano said: "If you want to see some real racist stuff from Dave, search for the threads when they announced the remake of ANNIE. If I remember correctly, he really wasn't too pleased about that.
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Fighting against separation is racist?
Juggalo12
Chorus Member Joined: 12/26/13
#76Is broadway world paid to promote Hamilton?
Posted: 3/2/16 at 5:18pm
I agree. I've listened to the entire double CD many times, and there isn't a single memorable song. In The Heights has 25 masterpieces in row. It's like two different people wrote these shows. I know a famous music theater historian who told me he hated Hamilton. It is the most profoundly overrated show of all time. The music is simply NOTHING.
#77Is broadway world paid to promote Hamilton?
Posted: 3/2/16 at 5:28pm
Okay, i really enjoyed In The Heights. I found the ending and many other parts (Nina's story and her family's and abuela's stories for example) very moving. Salsa and musical theatre are my two favourite genres of music. But are you really saying that the Piragua guy's filler-sounding songs are masterpieces, or a rap about not having milk? Some of it was indeed wonderful, but 25 masterpieces in a row? Do you literally feel this way, or are you exaggerating for effect? (I'm just curious - you are of course entitled to your opinion, whatever it may be, but i am really curious now what your literal opinion is.)
#78Is broadway world paid to promote Hamilton?
Posted: 3/2/16 at 5:41pm
I'm still curious about the question in the subject line.
#79Is broadway world paid to promote Hamilton?
Posted: 3/2/16 at 5:58pm
Juggalo12 said: "I know a famous music theater historian who told me he hated Hamilton. It is the most profoundly overrated show of all time. The music is simply NOTHING. "
Yeah, but you're a juggalo so who really cares what you think about what music is considered "quality."
BroadwayConcierge
Broadway Legend Joined: 7/24/15
#80Is broadway world paid to promote Hamilton?
Posted: 3/2/16 at 6:02pm
Juggalo12 said: "It is the most profoundly overrated show of all time. The music is simply NOTHING."
#81Is broadway world paid to promote Hamilton?
Posted: 3/2/16 at 6:02pm
I've listened to the entire double CD many times, and there isn't a single memorable song.
I've listened to the CD many times and feel exactly the opposite. When I saw the show the first week of previews on Broadway, I already had melodies stuck in my head. I can recall several of them at the drop of a hat. I also loved In the Heights as well and I'm planning to see the London production this summer.
It's like two different people wrote these shows.
While I disagree with that statement regarding your two examples (one of the things I loved about Hamilton was how it retained so much of Miranda's signature style evident in both In the Heights and Bring It On), it could just as easily describe any number of Broadway composers.
It is the most profoundly overrated show of all time. The music is simply NOTHING.
I believe that is the most profoundly exaggerated statement regarding a Broadway musical of all time. It means NOTHING.
#82Is broadway world paid to promote Hamilton?
Posted: 3/2/16 at 8:29pm
I'm a big fan of Hamilton, and I liked In The Heights as well, but I actually think the two shows are very similar in style (though not content, of course). As of yet, Miranda hasn't shown the range of someone like Sondheim, where no two shows sound at all alike to my ears. (Though maybe that's an unfair comparison!)
Anyhow, I really disagree that it sounds like two different people wrote these scores. If anything, it sounds like both of them were written by the same person in one sitting. :) (And, yes, that's meant as hyperbole.)
Juggalo12
Chorus Member Joined: 12/26/13
#83Is broadway world paid to promote Hamilton?
Posted: 3/2/16 at 8:58pm
Yes I do believe that all 25 songs are masterful, including the charming Piragua song, not the shortened reprise of it. There are 25 main songs of significant length. Each one is entirely different from the others. The "rap about milk" is merely one little line in the seven minute opening number which introduces all the characters. Yes, I believe every main song is a masterpiece for what they are, both the lyrics and the music. To combine so many different musical styles into one show and have the songs come out sounding uncontrived and unique is a remarkable feat to me. My opinion is that ITH is one of the very greatest shows of the last 30 years. I'm not alone in this. I'm a professional music director and pianist, and know all of the shows. Even if only half the songs were amazing, the show would still be way ahead of the usual fare.
However, I remain unmoved by the music of Hamilton. Perhaps I need to see the show, but I am not impressed. It seems like the music is watered down to appeal to the masses, and some of the song lyrics are purposely designed to excite the tourists into a frenzied realization that they are in "the greatest city in the world" and are witnessing a "revolution" of music theater, rather than just the revolution in the story. This show was designed from day one to be a massive hit. I find this a sacrifice of true art. You can disagree. I personally do not care for the Hamilton music at all, after listening to it many times. Not that anyone cares what I think. It sounds simplistic and without energy. The "dialogue" and "rap" are all exceedingly brilliant, but the music is not. I like the opening and the ending, but nothing much in between.
aaaaaa15
Broadway Legend Joined: 8/31/15
#84Is broadway world paid to promote Hamilton?
Posted: 3/2/16 at 9:15pm
I agree that it's like two different people wrote them but because I can't believe how much Lin's writing has improved in the space of 8 years. Not to say I don't think In the Heights has a good score - it does - but for me there is filler on there whereas in Hamilton even songs that I initially thought weren't as good as the others have grown on me to the point where I can't point to a weak spot on the album. If you'd have told me after In the Heights that he was going to go on to write something as great as Hamilton I wouldn't have believed you.
Also, I disagree with it being watered down to appeal to the masses. To me, the score for In the Heights is more sanitized than Hamilton, particularly the hip-hop. A lot of people (i.e. the masses) have issues with rap music and claim to dislike it so I don't think one can say that Hamilton's music was written to appeal to everyone. It just so happens that the quality of the music is so great that a lot of people who thought they didn't enjoy hip-hop and R&B (or indeed showtunes) are listening to the album on repeat.
Also most people that love the Hamilton score haven't seen it. They may not have even been to New York.
BroadwayConcierge
Broadway Legend Joined: 7/24/15
#85Is broadway world paid to promote Hamilton?
Posted: 3/2/16 at 9:35pm
Juggalo12 said: "It sounds simplistic and without energy."
Are you 100% positive that you're listening to "Hamilton (Original Broadway Cast Recording)?"
FindingNamo
Broadway Legend Joined: 7/22/03
#86Is broadway world paid to promote Hamilton?
Posted: 3/2/16 at 9:38pm
YOU be used to the energy of Insane Clown Posse and then do a Hamilton come down and see how YOU feel. Magnets. How the hell do they work anyway? #miracles
#87Is broadway world paid to promote Hamilton?
Posted: 3/2/16 at 9:56pm
I disagree with the assessment of Hamilton's music as simplistic, but it seems unfair to say it was designed to be a massive hit. While that isn't necessarily a bad thing, this was a show that was developed over a long period of time and had it's first production at a non-profit theatre. Plus, the subject matter isn't exactly something with mass appeal. While someone is certainly free to dislike the music, it's not as if this was thrown together quickly to capitalize on some kind of fad or craze- craft and care certainly went into the composition, whether or not it is your taste is a separate judgement.
#88Is broadway world paid to promote Hamilton?
Posted: 3/2/16 at 10:26pm
This show was designed from day one to be a massive hit.
It's true, nothing says "massive hit" like a musical about the first Treasury Secretary. This one was in the bag right from the start.
dramamama611
Broadway Legend Joined: 12/4/07
#89Is broadway world paid to promote Hamilton?
Posted: 3/2/16 at 10:43pm
I didn't realize that LMM had cracked the code on how to make a hit! He should patent that! You are certainly permitted to not like the show, but "blaming" it's success is ridiculous.
#90Is broadway world paid to promote Hamilton?
Posted: 3/2/16 at 11:01pm
I mean maybe it was designed to be a hit but does anyone sit down and say, "I'd like to write the next musical theatre turd today "?
#91Is broadway world paid to promote Hamilton?
Posted: 3/3/16 at 2:40am
I know the work of the Insane Clown Posse. I suppose the 2 really don't compare.
As for In the Heights, my recording says there's 23 tracks so I'm not sure how there are 25 masterpieces in the score. It's a good score but he began writing it almost 20 years ago, so the increase in quality between the two (which is immense in my opinion) could simply be because of age and experience. I certainly disagree that they sound like they were written in the same sitting (hyperbolically speaking).
#92Is broadway world paid to promote Hamilton?
Posted: 3/3/16 at 8:01am
ChildofEarth said: "I mean maybe it was designed to be a hit but does anyone sit down and say, "I'd like to write the next musical theatre turd today "?"
Based on quite a few shows I've seen in the past few years, I'd have to say "apparently so".
Updated On: 3/3/16 at 08:01 AM
SueBee06
Stand-by Joined: 1/12/16
#93Is broadway world paid to promote Hamilton?
Posted: 3/3/16 at 3:01pm
Dave19 said: "FindingNamo said: " The sisters Schuyler, Angelica, Eliza and Peggy introduce themselves multiple times, which is very dull and unnecessary and makes the audience feel like a fool,
Speak for yourself, fool.
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How many times do you need to hear something before you understand it?
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I have to ask, do you feel that way about every song that has a repeating chorus? Personally, I find the repeating of this line underscores the relationship between the sisters - Angelica and Eliza are especially close and do things together, and Peggy is the younger sister who tags along. And that closeness sets up a lot of what Angelica says about the two of them in Satisfied. And setting Peggy up as a sister on the periphery makes it easy to understand that she's not really mentioned beyond this.
What I keep coming back to in your posts, though, is that you seem to somehow feel that you are the arbiter of taste. That you and only you decide what everyone should enjoy. You don't enjoy a show? OK, that's your thing. I might agree or disagree. I would never tell you that you aren't allowed to hold that opinion though.
Assuming everyone who enjoys or respects LMM and Hamilton are lemmings is ridiculous. I went into the show expecting it not to live up to what I had heard about it. I hadn't listened to the cast album. And yet I thought it was fantastic on multiple levels - overall as a show, in the amount of facts that were included, in the influences that LMM infused into the score (and he'd be the first to tell you all of the influences that knowingly went into the music).
That's my opinion though - you don't have to agree. I do expect you to respect that it's my opinion and I can enjoy or not enjoy a show, regardless of whether you enjoyed it.
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