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kdogg36 said: "MemorableUserName said: "A decent person wouldn't have accepted it in the first place."
This is easily the dumbest statement I've read on the entire thread.
"One either has grace and class, or doesn't."
You've got that right."
Your bias is showing. Are you familiar with Ed Skrein after taking a part for an Asian actor?
I'm beginning to think I'm on a VERY different political broadway board, not one celebrating diversity and inclusion.
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kdogg36 said: "Mr. Wormwood said: "I think that's a really thoughtful statement from Helen"
I agree. And I think a lot of people on this thread, and around the web, need to heed her call for mutual understanding. Not everyone who is vocally disappointed with this casting (including me) is part of the "woke mob," nor are those on the other side necessarily bigots who lack empathy."
No. If you are on the side of "Get over it, AAPI representation isn't a big deal" you are clearly lacking in empathy as evidenced by this entire thread.
You aren't a bad person if you don't "get it", but you are totally lacking in empathy and awareness. And yet you're calling for "mutual understanding"? "Both sides" much?
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BorisTomashevsky said: "YankeeDani said: "Mr. Wormwood said: "I think that's a really thoughtful statement from Helen"
Completely disagree. "I understand people are hurt but I'm choosing to support my boyfriend over my community""
The writers have said what they’ve said but people continue to tell them how the world should work.
I bet all the screamers would kill to be in their follow up musical. Oh the irony."
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Oh I didn't realize the audience has no say how a piece is interpreted. And of course they wouldn't manipulate and politicize AAPI's in order to win Tony's.
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The audience can interpret all they like. The writers can present what they want.
Just because an audience interprets one thing, that doesn’t mean a production must heretofore take that into consideration.
Where did they manipulate and politicize in order to win Tonys? And where did they exclusively mention Darren Criss in that manipulation? Most people were surprised when he won that he’s Eurasian. It was never mentioned by the production.
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"Where did they manipulate and politicize in order to win Tonys? And where did they exclusively mention Darren Criss in that manipulation? Most people were surprised when he won that he’s Eurasian. It was never mentioned by the production."
Who is "most people were surprised"? Were you following this show from the beginning? It's been constantly mentioned in press from the beginning about him and Helen both being AAPI.
You are 100% someone who just got on your soap box once this thread appeared. You clearly have done 0 research about AAPI history and know nothing about the show or it's cast.
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KevinKlawitter said: "Quick poll - which would be more embarrassing, that Boris is so toxic that nobody wants to be seen agreeing with him publicly, or that all of theseDMs he's talking about have been coming from girlfriends in Canada?"
To be fair to Boris (I know, I know...), while I don't see his posts, I do see the number of likes on some of these other ridiculous posts, so I'm sure there are plenty of people agreeing with him. (Just like there are people who agree with what Trump's doing...). Franklin's screed about how Feldman just wants to work (...and Asian actors don't?) and he shouldn't be deprived of income (but it's fine for the Asian actor who could be playing the role not to have the income?) and he and his girlfriend just want to perform together (...okay...) is at 10 likes and counting. Boris certainly isn't the only one who feels that white men (the true victims of the world) are once again being victimized by the "woke mob" and uppity Asians. Most are just keeping their mouths shut (that "silent majority" they're always on about).
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MemorableUserName said: "KevinKlawitter said: "Quick poll - which would be more embarrassing, that Boris is so toxic that nobody wants to be seen agreeing with him publicly, or that all of theseDMs he's talking about have been coming from girlfriends in Canada?"
To be fair to Boris (I know, I know...), while I don't see his posts, I do see the number of likes on some of these other ridiculous posts, so I'm sure there are plenty of people agreeing with him. (Just like there are people who agree with what Trump's doing...). Franklin's screed about how Feldman just wants to work (...and Asian actors don't?) and he shouldn't be deprived of income (but it's fine for the Asian actor who could be playing the role not to have the income?) and he and his girlfriend just want to perform together (...okay...) is at 10 likes and counting. Boris certainly isn't the only one who feels that white men (the true victims of the world) are once again being victimized by the "woke mob" and uppity Asians. Most are just keeping their mouth shuts (that "silent majority" they're always on about)."
I would get that to happen on like... certain areas of Twitter etc
I didn't realize BroadwayWorld leaned so conservative, that is my surprise. Seems like an oxymoron.
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YankeeDani said: "So you're saying she had no influence or sway in getting her BOYFRIEND cast in this? I have a bridge to sell you in Idaho."
According to the original casting announcement - Andrew read with her on her audition tapes.
I do wish people would admit he's a great choice for the character if you take race out of the conversation.
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Telly Leung's response to the writers' statement is on point:
https://www.instagram.com/p/DMx7o7SRkdI/
BorisTomashevsky said: "I’m honored that I live rent-free in your head Matt, but please don’t jerk off over me."
A pathetic comment from a really pathetic board member. I don’t know why you feel the need to embarrass yourself over and over and over again on a public message board by spouting your truly ignorant, borderline racist, right wing comments endlessly. are you trying out for a job in your orange master’s cabinet? Are you hoping the Kennedy Center will hire you?
And how many more times are you going to play the f*cking woke card? Do you even know what woke means, troll? It just means you give a sh*t about your fellow human beings. Everything you post gets more unhinged post by post. I would suggest serious therapy as soon as possible.
And learn to use the quote button.
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“You are 100% someone who just got on your soap box once this thread appeared. You clearly have done 0 research about AAPI history and know nothing about the show or it's cast.”
I get on my soapbox a lot, not just for this thread; can’t you see how disliked I am? You, meanwhile, just got here today. But okay, stones and glass houses, have it your way.
What does AAPI history have to do with this? I have a closer association with AAPI than anyone here will ever know.
I know plenty about the show and its cast.
YankeeDani said: "You aren't a bad person if you don't "get it", but you are totally lacking in empathy and awareness. And yet you're calling for "mutual understanding"? "Both sides" much?"
Hyperbolic much?
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Yankee Dani said: "
I'm beginning to think I'm on a VERY different politicalbroadway board, not one celebrating diversity and inclusion."
Sweetie, you just joined today and you have already posted at least 2 dozen times about this issue -- no one forced you to do that. Ironically, it appears that you and Boris are just different sides of the same coin --- the "I'll just keep saying the same thing louder and louder until I get my way" coin.
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hicaesar said: "YankeeDani said: "So you're saying she had no influence or sway in getting her BOYFRIEND cast in this? I have a bridge to sell you in Idaho."
According to the original castingannouncement - Andrew read with her on her audition tapes.
I do wish people would admit he's a great choice for the character if you take race out of the conversation."
Aaron Tveit would be a fantastic choice to play Hamilton.
What are we doing here?
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BorisTomashevsky said: "“You are 100% someone who just got on your soap box once this thread appeared. You clearly have done 0 research about AAPI history and know nothing about the show or it's cast.”
I get on my soapbox a lot, not just for this thread; can’t you see how disliked I am? You, meanwhile, just got here today. But okay, stones and glass houses, have it your way.
What does AAPI history have to do with this? I have a closer association with AAPI than anyone here will ever know.
I know plenty about the show and its cast."
Genuinely curious - what is your association with AAPI? Please elaborate.
Also VERY WEIRD that you "know plenty about the show and cast" and didn't know Darren was Asian. One of the first things that pop up whenever you look him up.
Even during Glee this was known so apparently your research or comprehension is lacking.
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JSquared2 said: "Yankee Dani said: "
I'm beginning to think I'm on a VERY different politicalbroadway board, not one celebrating diversity and inclusion."
Sweetie, you just joined today and you have already posted at least 2 dozen times about this issue -- no one forced you to do that. Ironically, it appears that you and Boris are just different sides of the same coin --- the "I'll just keep saying the same thing louder andlouder until I get my way" coin.
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Comparing me to someone with such ignorant views? How "both sides" of you.
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YankeeDani said: “Also VERY WEIRD that you "know plenty about the show and cast" and didn't know Darren was Asian. One of the first things that pop up whenever you look him up.”
I’ve known Darren personally for 13 years and have always know he was Asian. I never said I didn’t know he was Asian, but I did read a large number of comments when he won the Tony that people were surprised that he’s straight and part Asian. Page back to my original posts on this thread if you must.
I’m afraid I won’t elaborate as it would make me identifiable and anonymity is valued by everyone here.
And Matt, I only quote when really necessary. I don’t like to make people scroll through multiple paragraphs.
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DaveyG said: "Has Michael Arden weighed in at all?"
The most I've seen is that he responded to Conrad Ricamora's announcement that he was launching a scholarship fund with an applause emoji; someone said he also donated though I didn't look that far. (I do see that Helen Shen, assuming it's her, donated $5,000 a few hours ago.) But no statement.
God, so sad to see the Tony winner for best musical, the show that defied terrible initial sales, terrible odds, that was a celebration of Asian talent as part of a wider season with an unusually high number of great shows with asian artists, decent into chaos like this. I wish we could have a time machine to simpler times. My biggest fear of Andrew's casting is that it will now give a free pass to any future production of the show not to try very hard to cast Asian actors....that probably bothers me more than a short term casting decision on Broadway that could (and I expect will be) easily reversed with the following replacements.
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BorisTomashevsky said: "YankeeDani said: “Also VERY WEIRD that you "know plenty about the show and cast" and didn't know Darren was Asian. One of the first things that pop up whenever you look him up.”
I’ve known Darren personally for 13 years and have always know he was Asian. I never said I didn’t know he was Asian, but I did read a large number of comments when he won the Tony that people were surprised that he’s straight and part Asian. Page back to my original posts on this thread if you must.
I’m afraid I won’t elaborate as it would make me identifiable and anonymity is valued by everyone here.
And Matt, I only quote when really necessary. I don’t like to make people scroll through multiple paragraphs."
So out of curiosity, would you be publicly telling your AAPI friends/community you associated with about your views/"woke mob" problems? Or you only talk this way on a message board?
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binau said: "God, so sad to see the Tony winner for best musical, the show that defied terrible initial sales, terrible odds, that was a celebration of Asian talent as part of a wider season with an unusually high number of great shows with asian artists, decent into chaos like this. I wish we could have a time machine to simpler times. My biggest fear of Andrew's casting is that it will now give a free pass to any future production of the show not to try very hard to cast Asian actors....that probably bothers me more than a short term casting decision on Broadway that could (and I expect will be) easily reversed with the following replacements."
exactly. I'd respect them more if they said we're doing this solely for money reasons of future productions and not gaslighting.
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The "holding multiple truths" simultaneously reference in Helen Shen's statement really resonates with me as it seems to be an apt descriptor at the myriad of perspectives and issues in play.
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YankeeDani said: “So out of curiosity, would you be publicly telling your AAPI friends/community you associated with about your views/"woke mob" problems? Or you only talk this way on a message board?”
Yes I have spoken to Asian people close to me and shared my views, along with examples of how there has historically been more representation than some people are claiming. Again, my earlier posts contain many of the points that I’ve also shared in person (not with Pacific Islanders as I don’t know any in NYC and those that I know elsewhere aren’t abreast of the situation).
My sentiments are (so far) received with consideration and no obvious backlash, and sometimes an agreement to disagree and sometimes an acknowledgment of my points as “good points”. People are more restrained in person than online, of course.
An Asian actress in my building, who knows I keep up with theatre news, volunteered that she and some of her friends (she didn’t say Asian friends but I can only assume) were embarrassed by the outcry that people are making.
The "holding multiple truths" simultaneously reference in Helen Shaw's statement really resonates with me as it seems to be an apt descriptor at the myriad of perspectives and issues in play.
Absolutely. This is not a black and white issue. Many things can be true and there's a lot of grey area here.
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