Neil Patrick Harris bombing on the EMMYS- Page 3

[Sutton Ross]

Posted: 9/23/13 at 6:27pm

"As a youth I'm embarrassed that they thought that about me and my people"

Awesome.

Proof? Well, it just occurred to me that young people for you may not mean young people for me. What exactly do you mean by "the young" in terms of television viewership?

[Joviedamian]

Posted: 9/23/13 at 6:35pm

"It's difficult to judge this because, for me, NPH's most recent Tony hosting gig was perfection."

I think the reason why the Tony's were so well received and done, was NPH actually had a lot more producing freedom with the Tony's. He mentioned in an interview that he was able to do what he wanted to do and I think it showed.

As for the Emmy's, it looked like he helped produced it, but really didn't have a lot of freedom to do what he wanted to do. It seemed like he was just a puppet up there!

[ModernMillie3]

Posted: 9/23/13 at 6:44pm

I will retract my statement regarding Klugman, but I will say most people don't know who he is unless you say "The Odd Couple" along with it. He isn't exactly a well known name. I also think that he may be well known on these boards considering he was in theater for many years. That may have something to do with it?

[Liza's Headband]

Posted: 9/23/13 at 6:47pm

Are you ****ing kidding me? Jack Klugman is not a "well known name"?

[jnb9872]

Posted: 9/23/13 at 6:56pm

Liza's, let this sh!t hit the proverbial fan for Sutton: I have a dear friend, a woman in the 18-35 demo, who watches Awards shows exclusively for the memorials. She texts me (as she knows I also watch most every award show, glutton for punishment that I am) to make sure I tell her when the In Memoriam screen comes down so she can tune in.

Needless to say, this telecast, obsessed with death, I sent her a lot of texts. The Memoriam is a beautiful tradition and often one of the least objectionable moments of any Awards telecast. Why they would splinter it off into select tributes and cause all this commotion I have no idea. Time management was all off this year. Especially when they cut Claire Danes off :45 seconds into her speech (which began with a touching tribute to the recently-deceased writer who helped her earn that very award) but let Michael Douglas' gay innuendo routine go on for :90 seconds. (I actually found Douglas' speech funnier than many of my friends, but I also despise the blatant unwritten rules about who gets played off when. The poor director from MODERN FAMILY sounded like she was being attacked by cannibals when their theme started shouting at her!)

Updated On: 9/23/13 at 06:56 PM

[Jane2]

Posted: 9/23/13 at 7:02pm

"That's cool and all but the "youth of today" don't watch many award shows"

." He was more culturally relevant and recognizable. That's why they did that and that's what my friend, who assisted in the lighting of the show, informed me this morning."

"More culturally relevant and recognizable" - to the youth of today who watch Glee, dear. Many FOLKS never heard of Monteith. And as you mentioned, the YOUTH OF TODAY probably weren't watching the Emmys so if the show wanted to appeal to those who were watching (meaning older than THE YOUTH OF TODAY, and those of us in the business), then Klugman would have been more appropriate. Furthermore, I don't even give a HOOT who's more relevant. Klugman should have been honored solely for his giant career in the industry and the fact that he won 3 Emmys.

"And how old and out of touch are you that you don't realize I'm a female? "

I'm pretty old compared to most on this board, but I don't think I'm so very out of touch. The past 20 years of m y life have been as an actor and theater manager. And how young and out of touch are you that you don't realize anyone can name themselves anything they want and pretend to be whatever they want here? That notwithstanding, I like to say the word son.

"Also who says "youth of today"? "

Well, I do and so do many others. But why does it matter who says what? Please tell me you're only about 12.

"I love your responses because they are always volatile towards anyone who dares to have an opinion that differs from your own. Love. "

Hmm, All of my responses are volatile? Nah, I've conceded at times. Keep watching, you may catch me being non-violent. Hey can you post a few of my volatile responses?

Updated On: 9/23/13 at 07:02 PM

[orangeskittles]

Posted: 9/23/13 at 7:10pm

"That's cool and all but the "youth of today" don't watch many award shows."

....Proof?


"6.6 million viewers tuned in, beating last week’s record of 6.4 million. The audience for the show continues to skew young, with 4.3 million viewers between the ages of 18 and 49."

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/24/business/media/emmys-draw-17-million-viewers-up-from-recent-shows.html

Yeah, get off my lawn, you damn 49-year-olds! By comparison, the average Glee viewer is 12-34.

http://insidetv.ew.com/2011/03/15/ratings-by-age/

Also there's this:

"Some stats: the average age of this year’s nominees is 45. Only three of the 50 nominees are under age 30 (Girls’ Lena Dunham and Adam Driver, and Game of Thrones’ Emilia Clarke). Only five more are in their 30s. That means 84 percent of the nominees are age 40 or older. Neither Best Actor category has a nominee under age 40."

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/09/19/do-the-emmy-awards-hate-kids.html

So they're clearly not vying for the young audience with those nominees, and there's no way producers expected tweens and teens to tune en mass to 3 hours of the Emmys solely for a minute-long In Memorium tribute to Cory Monteith from Jane Lynch of all people- the least youth-oriented cast member.

[Liza's Headband]

Posted: 9/23/13 at 7:15pm

Right. You are supporting what I think. Not refuting it. Not sure what your angle was with that, but okay.

[jnb9872]

Posted: 9/23/13 at 7:18pm

Do any of those ratings reports mention that this year's Emmys had late-ending NFL games (read: the most popular television programming in America) as a lead-in on CBS?

[Liza's Headband]

Posted: 9/23/13 at 7:20pm

But I guess this entire discussion is irrelevant, jnb, because Corey Monteith is a superstar and Jack Klugman -- a legend in the biz -- is this no name hack who people under 50 have never heard about it. Clearly. Duh!

[orangeskittles]

Posted: 9/23/13 at 7:30pm

You asked for proof youth of today don't watch awards shows. I gave you proof that the average viewing age was squarely in the adult demographic. "Skewing young" = average age 33.

I don't think it's necessarily right that they chose to highlight Cory Monteith over Larry Hagman and Jack Krugman, but the end result in no way reflects a biased desire on the producers' part to appeal to the youth demographic. Talk to me when they have Lea Michele singing a Journey tribute with One Direction and Katy Perry. Then I'd agree.

[suestorm]

Posted: 9/23/13 at 7:36pm

That's great orange skittles. Some people get confused when you answer a question with actual facts and logic lol

[Jane2]

Posted: 9/23/13 at 7:49pm

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001430/?ref_=nv_sr_1

Let's take a look at Jack Klugman's resume, shall we?

[Sutton Ross]

Posted: 9/23/13 at 7:53pm

Thanks OrangeSkittles, I honestly wasn't going to waste my time researching something that I have already researched and knew was true. But, kudos for looking all that stuff up. Young people don't want award shows compared to the other demographics and that's ok. Someone on here mentioning ONE person that watched it in the 18 - 34 says so much about this whole thing.

Cory should not have been mentioned, as I said in my original post. They should have honored Klugman because audiences watching would have known him, and appreciated it. The Odd Couple was extraordinary. Cory never was nominated for an Emmy, and Glee hasn't been noticed for at least a couple of seasons. It should not have happened but such is life.

I'm going to go watch Neil now in How I Met Your Mother where he won't be uncomfortable and stiff!

[GavestonPS]

Posted: 9/23/13 at 8:03pm

I wonder what key Carrie will be singing SOM score in? Andrews or Martin?

If last night is any indication, she will sing in both, plus several others as well as Asian modes, often all within the same musical phrase. The girl cannot hold a note on key to save her soul.

As for Klugman, having worked with him, I wonder if they couldn't find anyone famous who had anything nice to say about him.

I thought Harris was fine. The Emmys are always an overblown mess: there are just two many categories. But as for blaming the "producers", Harris himself was billed as the producer.

[Liza's Headband]

Posted: 9/23/13 at 8:14pm

"The girl cannot hold a note on key to save her soul. "

Then you have clearly have never seen this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sx9MU1qH9x4

[Jane2]

Posted: 9/23/13 at 8:37pm

"As for Klugman, having worked with him, I wonder if they couldn't find anyone famous who had anything nice to say about him."

In the context of this discussion about posthumously honoring him for his work, what are you saying?

[chewy5000]

Posted: 9/23/13 at 9:32pm

It shouldn't matter whether the viewers have heard of them. You honour everyone in a montage, preferably set to a moody yet optimistic song, and people applaud for the names they've heard of. It's that simple.

[Liza's Headband]

Posted: 9/23/13 at 9:44pm

He was recognized in the In Memoriam segment of the show... That's not the issue.

He was not given a special tribute moment, like Gandolfini and Monteith were given. That is the issue.

[GavestonPS]

Posted: 9/23/13 at 10:21pm

"As for Klugman, having worked with him, I wonder if they couldn't find anyone famous who had anything nice to say about him."

In the context of this discussion about posthumously honoring him for his work, what are you saying?

All of the individual memorials were personal tributes by people who were fond of the deceased. I'm saying that based on my experience, it may have been hard to find someone famous who was also fond of Klugman.

This is partly because most of his generation is dead, of course; but I also found him to be consistently nasty when I worked with him. (I agree that his WORK deserves any and all accolades; he was brilliant in the play where I met him. But that wasn't the theme of the personal tributes: they focused on things like mentoring and what a fine person the deceased actor was.)

So, yeah, I was being sarcastic, but not without cause. I don't get all sentimental just because somebody dies.

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 9/23/13 at 10:33pm

Maybe it was you, honey? You seem to rub a lot of people the wrong way without really trying.

[Jane2]

Posted: 9/23/13 at 10:36pm

I can't imagine that they couldn't find one person in the entire industry to present a tribute to Klugman. I mean, isn't it all about acting? *wink*

[b-way obsessed]

Posted: 9/24/13 at 12:16am

Did anyone else love the choreography category? I thought it was one of the few good things about the show!

[Jay94]

Posted: 9/24/13 at 5:42am

NPH is just terrible. Can we ban him from hosting anymore award shows? Please, before he ruins the Oscars with another embarrassing obligatory dance number.

[Myron]

Posted: 9/24/13 at 6:51am

Agreed. Neil was awful; was it the terrible script or him? I have been a big fan since Doogie Howser days on ABC but he was awful. He seems so stuck on himself. He was great, on the other hand, at the Tonys. Maybe he should be cast as Rolfe in NBC's Sound of Music. He is a bit too old, but he looks young.