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Nine Casting
#150re: Nine Casting
Posted: 8/25/07 at 1:34pm
About five years ago.
Why are you hung up on matching exact looks and facial features from that film? It's merely superficial... and has nothing to do with an actress's personality on the screen.
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#151re: Nine Casting
Posted: 8/25/07 at 1:36pm
I think Cruz reads younger on screen, which is the issue.
Well, Sophie Marceau played Anna Karenina, Hippolyta in Midsummer Night's Dream, and was in Alex and Emma, so at least she can speak English well enough to be in American movies.
From what I can tell, she's done some singing as well.
CZJ looks the exact opposite of French. Though she could pull off the eccentricites of the role, they would have to completely change the character to her, because there's no way she can pass for French.
#152re: Nine Casting
Posted: 8/25/07 at 1:37pm
Actually, I'd buy Jones as Liliane. She indeed would sell that number like few can, IMO. I'm still pretty sure she'll end up playing Luisa not Claudia or Liliane--if she does end up being in the film.
If casting were up to me, I'd definitely pick Cruz as Claudia. I think she has just about everything the role needs, plus the pictures MichaelBennett posted just reassured me.
I don't see Zellweger as Carla AT ALL. I think there is absolutely nothing grotesque like Milo, or sexy (like Morris or Krakowski) about her.
"Some people can thrive and bloom living life in a living room, that's perfect for some people of one hundred and five. But I at least gotta try, when I think of all the sights that I gotta see, all the places I gotta play, all the things that I gotta be at"
#153re: Nine Casting
Posted: 8/25/07 at 1:38pm
I'm not hung up on it at all, merely noting that a lot of Marshall's supposed casting ideas do seem to closely echo Fellini's original vision of the characters - more so than the way they were portrayed on stage. Perhaps that's a coincidence - or perhaps he really is going to go back to Fellini's interpretation. All speculation. But people like Cruz really would make sense as Claudia - IF - he were to cast it in the Claudia Carnale mode and I am not just talking about matching looks.
As someone who used to live in Paris - I will say that Zeta Jones can absolutely pass for French. Most of the women there have her same coloring.
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#154re: Nine Casting
Posted: 8/25/07 at 1:42pm
It's too much like playing "Nine Paperdolls" just to match them physically to the actresses from 8 1/2. And has very little (if anything at all) to do with actually playing the roles in this film adaptation of the musical.
And I agree, if Zeta-Jones could do the French accent, she's one of the few I can think of that would set the screen afire on Follies Bergeres.
If I were her, and had my pick of any role I wanted (as she did with Chicago), I'd pick Luisa first, then Claudia.
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Updated On: 8/25/07 at 01:42 PM
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#155re: Nine Casting
Posted: 8/25/07 at 1:43pmI think even if he were to cast a Claudia that resembled the stage muse, Cruz would still be perfect.
"Some people can thrive and bloom living life in a living room, that's perfect for some people of one hundred and five. But I at least gotta try, when I think of all the sights that I gotta see, all the places I gotta play, all the things that I gotta be at"
#156re: Nine Casting
Posted: 8/25/07 at 1:43pm
Marshall is doing the paperdoll casting - I'm just commenting on it!
Who do you see as Carla, Best12 - Im sure you've posted somewhere but this thread is long and vast now!
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#157re: Nine Casting
Posted: 8/25/07 at 1:44pm
But your arguments have been in favor of it yourself.
EDIT: Well except for Grace Jones... which I like!
EDIT AGAIN: I can see Cruz as Carla, absolutely. I don't think she would go for it, if it were just "A Call From the Vatican." She would pass on it faster than you can say "Carla." But I think she'd be great doing "Simple," and the two together would be something appealing to sink her teeth into. She's got the right quality on screen too.
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#158re: Nine Casting
Posted: 8/25/07 at 1:47pm
Well because I don't look at it as paper doll casting - I really do see Cruz, Cotillard and Zelwegger having qualities similar to their predecessers in 8 1/2 beyond a physical resemblence (though I certainly do see that too.) If I were casting the film as some type of homage or direct remake of 8 1/2 I could certainly justify the casting. I have no idea if that is what Marshall is doing - just speculating that if he were - I can justify his choices.
I agree with Ray - even if Cruz didn't resemble Cardinale at all - she IS Claudia to me. Aloof. Stunning. A goddess. I disagree that Claudia is Guido's friend and confidente - she is his muse - he may want her to understand him, but she doesn't. That is what the song UNUSUAL WAY is about. Guido only really connects totally with Luisa. That is the ultimate realization I think.
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#159re: Nine Casting
Posted: 8/25/07 at 1:51pm
Even if Cruz comes close to the "Claudia" of 8 1/2, she is not the ethereal, poetic siren/muse of the musical NINE, which this is.
It's not the same part. You're casting for a remake of 8 1/2, not NINE. The role was adapted and modified.
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#160re: Nine Casting
Posted: 8/25/07 at 1:51pm
"Bardem? Cruz? Do any of you remember when they use to put movie stars in movies??"
"Hot right now" doesn't always translate into "talented."
First you say Bardem and Cruz are unknowns and then you say "Hot right now" in sentence concerning them. That does not make sense. Bardem and Cruz are big stars with extraordinary acting range. You have clearly not seen any of their Spanish films if you don't think they are talented. The Sea Inside and Volver are two movies that pop into my head when someone is talking about excellent performances.
As for zelwegger, she is not going to take a role she can't pull off. She has a great track record compared to most A-list stars out there. (Kidman comes to mind). Plus everyone has Karkowski's version stuck in their head. Everyone should go watch 8 1/2 because the women in that film are all amazing looking in their own way.
Does anyone know if Maria Bello can sing? She could fit a few of the parts. She is Italian, a great actress and really hot.
I re-watched 8 1/2 i few nights ago and Anouk Aimée is not the drab, boring housewife everyone seems to want to make Luisa. She is just as beautiful or more so than Zeta-Jones.
#161re: Nine Casting
Posted: 8/25/07 at 1:57pm
I actually just see those qualities in Cruz, whereas you don't. Just a difference of opinion on an actress - no biggie. :)
And I would never call Zeta Jones ethereal. She'd beat Guido over the head with a frying pan if he ever frustrated her to the point of singing that song...
#162re: Nine Casting
Posted: 8/25/07 at 1:59pm
Besty, I think MichaelBennett's description actually fits the idea of Claudia Nardi from the stage piece.
Even if Cruz comes close to the "Claudia" of 8 1/2, she is not the ethereal, poetic siren/muse of the musical NINE, which this is.
I disagree, I actually find Cruz to be all these, as MichaelBennett said, a difference in opinion. I would just love to see her at the beach telling Guido, "I'm tired, why have you brought me to this beach?"
Re Zellweger as Carla. I'm all open for new portrayals of the role as phenomenal as I think Jane Krakowski could be if she were allowed to reprise the role for film. I'm even willing to let go of the mold set by Anita Morris. And I STILL don't see Zellweger in the role. Give me a Marissa Tomei or a Salma Hayek but Zellweger as Carla? Ugh. (Coming from someone who went ga-ga over her in CHICAGO)
"Some people can thrive and bloom living life in a living room, that's perfect for some people of one hundred and five. But I at least gotta try, when I think of all the sights that I gotta see, all the places I gotta play, all the things that I gotta be at"
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#163re: Nine Casting
Posted: 8/25/07 at 2:02pm
And I would never call Zeta Jones ethereal. She'd beat Guido over the head with a frying pan if he ever frustrated her to the point of singing that song...
Funny and so true. Precisely why I can't see Zeta Jones in the role.
"Some people can thrive and bloom living life in a living room, that's perfect for some people of one hundred and five. But I at least gotta try, when I think of all the sights that I gotta see, all the places I gotta play, all the things that I gotta be at"
#164re: Nine Casting
Posted: 8/25/07 at 2:02pm
Zeta-Jones isn't ethereal by nature, but she can "play" it. She also looks it way more etheral than pouty-lipped, doe-eyed Cruz. That's why (if I were her) I would go for that part.
If Marshall is striking the same deal he did with her on Chicago, she will have her pick of any part she wants. Period. No questions asked.
It's not what people would expect from her, but she still gets to be a desirable, glamorous and inspiring woman. I hope she goes for it.
NYC4Life--I don't know where people are getting that Luisa is a "drab housewife." She is the forgotten wife, yes, but she was also an "actress with dreams and a life of her own," not to mention the "daughter of a well-to-do Florentine." It's all in the lyrics of My Husband Makes Movies.
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#165re: Nine Casting
Posted: 8/25/07 at 2:08pm
I don't think Zeta Jones is going to have her pick of any role in the film. And even if Weinstein gave her the choice to chose Roxie or Velma, it was very clear and obvious to all which role she should play. So I'm not sure it was really that kind of power granting.
Marshall hss to cast too many women in this film to let one actress have that kind of say in this project. Zeta Jones isn't even a box office draw at the moment. The roles have to be carefully cast and evenly balanced. And I don't believe one actress can be right for every role in the musical. For me, Zeta Jones could pull off Saraghina, Carla or Liliane. I personally don't see her as Luisa or Claudia.
#166re: Nine Casting
Posted: 8/25/07 at 2:09pm
"So I'm not sure it was really that kind of power granting."
It definitely was MB.
Inside source. One degree of separation.
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#167re: Nine Casting
Posted: 8/25/07 at 2:12pm
Fine. But we are talking about a time period when Jones was a bigger box office star than she is today and she had the choice between two roles. Not six or seven.
And I can't imagine anyone thought she would really take Roxie. She would have been a disaster in that role.
#168re: Nine Casting
Posted: 8/25/07 at 2:15pm
Has Catherine Z. Jones had a hit since CHICAGO?
I'm warming up to the idea of her as Luisa. Her "Be On Your Own" would be fierce.
"Some people can thrive and bloom living life in a living room, that's perfect for some people of one hundred and five. But I at least gotta try, when I think of all the sights that I gotta see, all the places I gotta play, all the things that I gotta be at"
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#169re: Nine Casting
Posted: 8/25/07 at 2:16pmWhat makes you think she can't pull of Luisa and Claudia? Plus her the Weinstein's and Marshall have an amazing relationship. They would let her pick she IS still a box office star. She won an oscar for a musical with marshall and the weinstein's and that is going to be draw when they put all those names in the same mix again.
#170re: Nine Casting
Posted: 8/25/07 at 2:18pmShe's a bigger draw than Bardem or Cruz but really when was the last time she opened a movie successfully? NO RESERVATIONS is a dud, the romantic comedy she did with George Clooney wasn't a hit either, the only hit movie she has done post-CHICAGO was OCEAN'S TWELVE which had an ensemble cast.
"Some people can thrive and bloom living life in a living room, that's perfect for some people of one hundred and five. But I at least gotta try, when I think of all the sights that I gotta see, all the places I gotta play, all the things that I gotta be at"
#171re: Nine Casting
Posted: 8/25/07 at 2:20pmShe will have her pick of whatever she wants in Nine, and they will cast around it.
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#172re: Nine Casting
Posted: 8/25/07 at 2:20pmMario Bello sang in Duets, NYC4Life.
"The gods who nurse this universe think little of mortals' cares. They sit in crowds on exclusive clouds and laugh at our love affairs. I might have had a real romance if they'd given me a chance. I loved him, but he didn't love me. I wanted him, but he didn't want me. Then the gods had a spree and indulged in another whim. Now he loves me, but I don't love him." - Cole Porter
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#173re: Nine Casting
Posted: 8/25/07 at 2:22pm
"Has Catherine Z. Jones had a hit since CHICAGO?"
Well the terminal made 77 mil, Intolerable cruelty made 35 mil no reservations made 32 mil, ocean's twelve made 125 mil, the legand of zorro made 45 mil and none of those are considered flops.
#174re: Nine Casting
Posted: 8/25/07 at 2:22pm
Best12, is this inside info or your assumption? It just seems odd to me that she'd be allowed to pick her role out of a dozen options. Especially when she's hardly right for all of them.
Also, let's not forget that Maury Yeston does have casting approval which is not common for most movie musicals.
"Some people can thrive and bloom living life in a living room, that's perfect for some people of one hundred and five. But I at least gotta try, when I think of all the sights that I gotta see, all the places I gotta play, all the things that I gotta be at"
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