Nobody Loves You #First Preview Thoughts- Page 2

[After Eight]

Posted: 7/1/13 at 11:15pm

"Needless to say the older people didn't just seem to "get" it"

Oh, they "got" it, all right.

It's just that they had the taste and intelligence to know that it stank.

[WiCkEDrOcKS]

Posted: 7/1/13 at 11:20pm

Really? You know that for a fact? Did you interview them all as they left the theater tonight??

It's pretty astounding what a pompous, unnecessarily nasty asshole you continue to be.

[After Eight]

Posted: 7/1/13 at 11:39pm

"It's pretty astounding what a pompous, unnecessarily nasty asshole you continue to be."

Uh, ... Really?

Gee, who made the ageist statement? You or I?

That statement struck me, and others, I'm sure, as "unnecessarily nasty."

But you can't see that, can you? You just prefer mouthing off.

But get this. If you're going to make ageist stements, then don't whine if some "older" person gives you what for.

All of us at BWW now await your apology.

[WiCkEDrOcKS]

Posted: 7/1/13 at 11:44pm

Now I'm ageist, because I pointed out that a musical about reality TV didn't seem to satisfy the older crowd...? LOL.

My comment is hardly unnecessary. You have littered this board with your nastiness for years and you have been called out for it by multiple people, on multiple occasions. You and ALL OF BWW, because I guess you speak for every poster on here, can keep waiting for that apology, because it's not happening.

[After Eight]

Posted: 7/1/13 at 11:57pm

Mr. Rocks,

Yes indeed, your comment, "Needless to say the older people didn't just seem to "get" it," was ageist. And unnecessarily nasty. And superior. And offensive.

And, as always, you just don't "get" it yourself. Your apology is due not to me for your endless denigration (well actually, it is, but I would never in a million years expect it, or even think you capable of it), but to the Broadway World community for your "needless to say" AGEIST comment.

[WiCkEDrOcKS]

Posted: 7/2/13 at 12:03am

Mr. Eight,

And just like that, my earlier comment about you being an asshole is proven to be true.

I was not being "nasty," "superior," or "offensive." I have seen plenty of shows aimed at an "older crowd" that weren't my cup of tea...or that I didn't "get." It doesn't make me any better than them, or them any worse than me. It's just a freaking observation.

Being called nasty, superior, and offensive is hilarious coming from YOU.

The only person on here who owes countless people apologies for being flippant, rude, nasty, and endlessly obnoxious is YOU. If you want to whine about the "endless denigration" I give you, then stop being such a Prick and learn to be respectful of other peoples' opinions. But clearly, that'll be a cold day in hell. Get the f*ck over yourself. Updated On: 7/2/13 at 12:03 AM

[After Eight]

Posted: 7/2/13 at 12:19am

Again, why do you assume the "older crowd" didn't "get" it? Why do you think you are sharper and/or smarter than they? And as if there were anything not to "get" in this junk, anyway.

And if you admit to not "getting " things that you deem for the "older crowd," it just means you are stupider than they.

And let's not even begin to talk about your language. Four letter words: the last refuge of those incapable of rational discourse.

[WiCkEDrOcKS]

Posted: 7/2/13 at 12:24am

Some shows are aimed at a younger crowd. Some shows are aimed at an older crowd. Sometimes you can appreciate/relate to a show more when you are at a certain age bracket/time in your life. I'm not saying the themes in the show were so deep that it went over their heads.

And when the hell did I say that I think I am sharper or smarter than them? And if you don't like my language, stop speaking to me. Or just do everyone a favor and stop posting on here for good. Updated On: 7/2/13 at 12:24 AM

[After Eight]

Posted: 7/2/13 at 12:29am

Oh, I'd be more than happy not to speak to you, considering the charming nature of your discourse.

All you have to do is stop attacking my every post like a rabid dog.

Updated On: 7/14/13 at 12:29 AM

[Jordan Catalano]

Posted: 7/2/13 at 12:32am

After Eight, I ask this in all sincerity - Why do you continue to go to the theater at all? You never like ANYTHING. What's the point?

[WiCkEDrOcKS]

Posted: 7/2/13 at 12:35am

When a level-headed, normal human being shares a dissenting opinion, it usually opens up an interesting dialogue, but you have proven yourself to be another beast entirely. I thought you'd catch the hint after a consistent flow of people asking you to be respectful, but clearly not.

Furthermore, I don't "have to do" anything. YOU are the one who "attacked" MY post "like a rabid dog," twisting my anecdotal comment into an "offensive, ageist" remark. And it was not the first time you did so. Take a page from your own book.

Like I said, when you stop being rude, obnoxious, nasty and condescending, I will have absolutely no problem backing off. Continue to be a douche for no reason and I'm going to continue to give it right back to you. Have a good night! Updated On: 7/2/13 at 12:35 AM

[After Eight]

Posted: 7/2/13 at 12:37am

JC,

Since you're being civil, I'll answer in all sincerity.

I do like things, just not as much, or as often as I used to.

[Jordan Catalano]

Posted: 7/2/13 at 12:39am

You do understand that you never post about things you like, though. But you are always amazingly "GET OFF MY LAWN, YOU DAMN KIDS!!!" about pretty much every single show you write about.

[tazber]

Posted: 7/2/13 at 12:46am

Ah yes, another narcissistic tantrum from the super market aisles of After Eight's swollen self regard.

Delightful.

[After Eight]

Posted: 7/2/13 at 1:03am

JC,

I guess I'm just lazy. But I recall havng written good things about A Kid Like Jake, Happy Birthday, Falling, Donnybrook!... Maybe you didn't read those.

And my negative critiques are really just a way of trying to provide necessary balance. I do it more as an obligation than for any personal pleasure.

And frankly, I'd rather not post them either, considering the flak I get from them. If everyone here had posted horrible reviews of Queen of the Mist or Once, I wouldn't have felt the need to do so.

If the first-string critic, or anyone else for that matter, had reviewed the first preview of Cinderella, I wouldn't have felt obliged to answer all these people clamoring for a report. So I provided it, a negative one, unfortunately, but not with either joy or enthusiasm. And of course, I was then roundly pummelled.

Posted: 7/2/13 at 2:26pm

After Eight- I see a lot of myself in you- or a lot of what I used to be. If I may? Try- just once- to go to the theater not as a reviewer but as a fan. Look for the thing to bring you joy and most of the time it will. If you look for thin to criticize you will always find them. And as I realized, I was paying to go to the theater and enjoy. If I was being paid to review shows, I guess I'd have to go and review. Now, I go and enjoy.

Of course, to some people the joy they find in the theater is to trash and complain and if that is the case, well stick to your course man.

[HenryTDobson]

Posted: 7/14/13 at 4:36pm

Caught this yesterday.. wow, what a mess. The music is shockingly terrible. I couldn't hum you one tune (though I did chuckle at the hot tub song). The show had so much potential to spoof on all of those horrible reality TV shows, yet it never was funny enough and just felt mediocre. I didn't feel invested in any of the characters.

The cast was trying hard despite the rough material. Rory O'Malley easily was the crowd favorite with his ridiculous tweeting song. Lauren Molina and Leslie Kritzer are favorites of mine, yet both of them were not given enough to do. My personal favorite was Aleque Reid who had a lovely voice and played the jaded character well. I'm curious to see what she does next.

It was a harmless production, but I would advise to stay away. I was surprised at how much 'older' the audience was as I would think this show would appeal to a more younger demographic.

Updated On: 7/14/13 at 04:36 PM

[Addison D.]

Posted: 7/14/13 at 6:50pm

After Eight--

Since Hilton Kramer died, you are my favorite, hard-to-please voice for uncompromising values in the Arts.

As with Kramer, some of your impassioned, Puritanical rants aggravate and mystify me--your hostility towards the moral shortcomings of fictional characters such as Fosca and Giorgio is a little alarming--but I truly enjoy and look forward to your perspective.

Hang in there!

[adam.peterson44]

Posted: 7/14/13 at 10:41pm

Just to throw my 2 cents into the fray here:

From my perspective, WickedRocks, I have to agree that you were the one in this exchange who started out with a rude, ageist, offensive comment that the older people didn't (in your opinion) "get" the show. "Getting it" is established in colloquial English as a synonym for "understanding it", so you were indeed insulting the intelligence of everyone who in your opinion was old. After Eight quite reasonably pointed out that your statement was factually incorrect, and that someone can "get" something and still not enjoy it, and in his opinion, that was the more likely scenario than yours (presumably to explain lack of enthusiastic applause, or whatever observation made you offer your inference in the first place). When called out on it, you then just doubled-down on the rudeness.

I have not seen this show, but do appreciate After Eight sticking up for us "older" folks who might understand something well enough but just not particularly care for it.

[eatlasagna]

Posted: 7/14/13 at 10:54pm

saw this show last year in San Diego with Adam Kantor in the lead... I found the musical to be quite enjoyable (from what I can remember) fun evening... and some decent songs...

[After Eight]

Posted: 7/14/13 at 10:59pm

Thank you very much, Adam.

Unfortunately, ageism is the one "ism" that some people here indulge in to their heart's content, and regularly.

[stevenycguy]

Posted: 7/14/13 at 11:13pm

I really loved this show. It's a fast-paced, fun rock musical set in the world of reality TV dating. Accomplished cast that has much Broadway experience, great new songs, and a plot that really draws you in. I could see this show quite a few times. This is the kind of show that would have been great at the old Jane Street Theater. Just over 90 minutes, no intermission. It's refreshing to see a talented cast in a brand new rock musical with great songs and a fun storyline.

[LizzieCurry]

Posted: 7/14/13 at 11:22pm

I saw it twice in one week thanks to that offer they had going during the July 4th holiday and I really, really like this show. It's a lot of fun. Nothing amazing, but a great cast, a score that's fun in the moment (if not necessarily one that sticks with you long after you leave), and a fun caricature of reality shows.

[WiCkEDrOcKS]

Posted: 7/14/13 at 11:29pm

If being "rude" to After Eight, who is nothing but rude and condescending to many people on here is the worst thing I've done on this board, so be it. This is someone who has constantly criticized my taste, intelligence, and then some, because I have enjoyed shows that he hasn't. And I am far from the only one.

There are simply certain demographics that are more prone to enjoy or "get" (yes, get) certain shows more than others, just because of what they are exposed to in that age group. No 65 year-olds I know watch much reality TV, know how to use Twitter, etc...so no, I don't think they would "get" the Hashtag song, or the hot tub song, or a lot of other aspects in the show. And there is nothing wrong with that. Are there older people who would? Sure. But the reaction I witnessed at my performance did not support that argument. I just thought it was worth pointing out. It has nothing to do with knowledge...it has to do with the different things that different generations are exposed to. That is all. Who the hell knew it would create such an issue? Jeez.

Nothing I said was meant to be "rude" or "ageist" by any means, and if he thought it was, he could have asked me to clarify instead of taking my comment and running with it, turning into something it was never intended to be. Like I said, I have no problem talking with people who have opposing opinions (in fact, I enjoy it...it is almost always an exciting dialogue), but I have no interest in talking to After Eight "respectfully" after the way he's spoken to me and various other posters on here. And that is that.


Why are we still even discussing this almost two weeks later...? Updated On: 7/15/13 at 11:29 PM

[ClydeBarrow]

Posted: 7/14/13 at 11:59pm

I'm not really surprised at the older demographic for any subscriber theatre.