Patti LuPone didn't like 90th Birthday 'Ladies who lunch'- Page 3

[carnzee]

Posted: 5/6/20 at 9:58am

Impossible2 said: "AEA AGMA SM said: "Impossible2 said: "Seriously, before she took the phone off that audience member I'd never even heard of her x"

I'm sorry, love her or hate her, to suggest that she was unknown before that incident is just ridiculous."

Only I didn't say that at all, I said 'I' had never heard of her. The name rang a bell, slightly, but if I had to point her out in a lineup I'd have had no hope."

I'm unsure as to why you insist on loudly proclaiming your ignorance. 

[CT2NYC]

Posted: 5/6/20 at 11:06am

Impossible2 said: "AEA AGMA SM said: "Impossible2 said: "Seriously, before she took the phone off that audience member I'd never even heard of her x"

I'm sorry, love her or hate her, to suggest that she was unknown before that incident is just ridiculous."

Only I didn't say that at all, I said 'I' had never heard of her. The name rang a bell, slightly, but if I had to point her out in a lineup I'd have had no hope."

Admitting that you didn't know who Patti LuPone was until 2015 should be grounds for banishment from this board.

[Impossible2]

Posted: 5/6/20 at 11:18am

CT2NYC said: "Impossible2 said: "AEA AGMA SM said: "Impossible2 said: "Seriously, before she took the phone off that audience member I'd never even heard of her x"

I'm sorry, love her or hate her, to suggest that she was unknown before that incident is just ridiculous."

Only I didn't say that at all, I said 'I' had never heard of her. The name rang a bell, slightly, but if I had to point her out in a lineup I'd have had no hope."

Admitting that you didn't know who Patti LuPone was until 2015 should be grounds for banishment from this board."

I didn't really get back into theatre again until 2016 after probably a 15 year hiatus. I am more into plays than musicals. I don't live in the US. I was not in the UK when she did stuff here. x

[WestEndGal]

Posted: 5/6/20 at 11:53am

Like others have said here, read the room! Patti is very talented but too often she acts like she’s the only Broadway actress with talent out there and it does rub me the wrong way at times. Is it so hard to show a bit of humility.

That all said, the way mainstream and Broadway media and stans were reacting to the performance, as if it was some masterpiece for the ages also bothered me. It was a whole lot of fun and I loved it, but it wasn’t anything more than that. There was so much sycophancy flying around after it, it was nauseating, lol!

Updated On: 5/6/20 at 11:53 AM

[joevitus]

Posted: 5/6/20 at 1:56pm

Impossible2 said: "CT2NYC said: "Impossible2 said: "AEA AGMA SM said: "Impossible2 said: "Seriously, before she took the phone off that audience member I'd never even heard of her x"

I'm sorry, love her or hate her, to suggest that she was unknown before that incident is just ridiculous."

Only I didn't say that at all, I said 'I' had never heard of her. The name rang a bell, slightly, but if I had to point her out in a lineup I'd have had no hope."

Admitting that you didn't know who Patti LuPone was until 2015 should be grounds for banishment from this board."

I didn't really get back into theatre again until 2016 after probably a 15 year hiatus. I am more into plays than musicals. I don't live in the US. I was not in the UK when she did stuff here. x"

I say you have nothing to apologize for, though I think CT2NYC is kidding about this being grounds for being kicked off the board because he/she recognizes the level of obsession here.

Yes, LuPone is well known among theater fans, but not the general public. I think she's hugely overrated and is mostly the recipient of great luck: she was in Evita and Les Miz, two of the biggest hits of their respective decades (both of which would have been just as big without her being cast in them). This gave her prestige among producers that translated into lots of jobs aimed at bringing  the crowds for those shows to other productions. 

She's a mediocrity. He diction is abysmal. She has a real issue with belting (she's not great at it, and she doesn't transition well from a more traditionally sung line to a belted one). She's very bad at choosing when to speak or sing in a line when trying to provide a variation on a standard. There's not a trace of delicacy or gentility in any performance she's ever given (she's terrible at brittle comedy because of her sledgehammer interpretations). She's never re-interpreted a know role in a way that makes it uniquely hers.

I like her tough-as-nails Eva Peron, it may be my favorite recording of the role, though in many ways it's actually a bad acting choice. It's impossible to see why the crowds or the men lover her because she's always playing the narcissistic monster--the irony created by the sweeter voiced interpretations of Julie Covington and Elaine Paige fits the intentions of the piece better. Anyway that's one role. From decades ago. 

I think she's more the theater world's stand out example of someone famous for being famous than anything else.

[Impossible2]

Posted: 5/6/20 at 2:01pm

joevitus said: "Impossible2 said: "CT2NYC said: "Impossible2 said: "AEA AGMA SM said: "Impossible2 said: "Seriously, before she took the phone off that audience member I'd never even heard of her x"

I'm sorry, love her or hate her, to suggest that she was unknown before that incident is just ridiculous."

Only I didn't say that at all, I said 'I' had never heard of her. The name rang a bell, slightly, but if I had to point her out in a lineup I'd have had no hope."

Admitting that you didn't know who Patti LuPone was until 2015 should be grounds for banishment from this board."

I didn't really get back into theatre again until 2016 after probably a 15 year hiatus. I am more into plays than musicals. I don't live in the US. I was not in the UK when she did stuff here. x"

I say you have nothing to apologize for, though I think CT2NYC is kiddingabout this being grounds for being kicked off the board because he/sherecognizes the level of obsession here.

Yes, LuPone is well known amongtheater fans, but not the general public. I think she's hugely overrated and is mostly therecipient of great luck: she was in Evita and Les Miz, two of the biggest hits of their respective decades(both of which would have been just as big without her being cast in them). This gave her prestige among producers that translated into lots of jobs aimed atbringing the crowds forthose shows to other productions.

She's a mediocrity. He diction is abysmal. She has a real issue with belting (she's not great at it, and she doesn't transition well from a moretraditionally sung line to a belted one). She's very bad at choosing when to speak or sing in a line when trying toprovideavariation on a standard. There's not a trace of delicacy or gentility in any performance she's ever given (she's terrible at brittle comedy because of her sledgehammer interpretations). She's never re-interpreted aknow role in a way that makes it uniquely hers.

I like her tough-as-nails Eva Peron, it may be my favorite recording of the role, though in many ways it's actually a bad acting choice. It's impossible to see why the crowds or the menloverher because she's always playing the narcissistic monster--the irony created bythe sweeter voiced interpretations ofJulie Covington and Elaine Paige fits the intentions of the piece better. Anywaythat's one role. From decades ago.

I think she's more the theater world's stand out example of someonefamous for being famous than anything else."

I have seen her in War Paint and Company and fail to see the attraction.

The fact she's a rude big mouth doesn't endear me to her either, though I did quite enjoy her in Hollywood though I think it was more the character I liked than her performance.

[binau]

Posted: 5/6/20 at 2:10pm

"There's not a trace of delicacy or gentility in any performance she's ever given "

I agree her voice is not particularly delicate, and like Merman I don't listen to it to try and find much vulnerability or something sentimental (cf. Bernadette Peters). However, I am shocked that you would say she has a 'real issue with belting'. I mean, listening to her "Rainbow High" "With One Look", "Some People", "Coming Up Roses" her belt has consistently been powerful, strong and effortless. I can't think of any peer or more powerful voice in this era except perhaps Betty Buckley in her prime? 

[joevitus]

Posted: 5/6/20 at 2:24pm

qolbinau said: ""There's not a trace of delicacy or gentility in any performance she's ever given "

I agree her voice is not particularly delicate, and like Merman I don't listen to it to try and find much vulnerability or something sentimental (cf. Bernadette Peters). However, I am shocked that you would say she has a 'real issue with belting'. I mean, listening to her "Rainbow High" "With One Look", "Some People", "Coming Up Roses" her belt has consistently been powerful, strong and effortless. I can't think of any peer or more powerful voice in this era except perhapsBetty Buckley in her prime?"

Oh, I think she can belt effectively, what I think is that she doesn't transition effectively between her belt and singing in a gentler manner in the course of a song (your love, Bernadette Peters, is amazing at this--the transition is flawless). And she belts when she shouldn't. The way she approaches her songs in Pal Joey like a diesel truck is just painful. 

She's the Joan Crawford of Broadway: no soft lines and no depth to her characterizations, but the ferocious intensity clearly hits a chord with some.

[CT2NYC]

Posted: 5/6/20 at 2:54pm

Impossible2 said: "joevitus said: "Impossible2 said: "CT2NYC said: "Impossible2 said: "AEA AGMA SM said: "Impossible2 said: "Seriously, before she took the phone off that audience member I'd never even heard of her x"

I'm sorry, love her or hate her, to suggest that she was unknown before that incident is just ridiculous."

Only I didn't say that at all, I said 'I' had never heard of her. The name rang a bell, slightly, but if I had to point her out in a lineup I'd have had no hope."

Admitting that you didn't know who Patti LuPone was until 2015 should be grounds for banishment from this board."

I didn't really get back into theatre again until 2016 after probably a 15 year hiatus. I am more into plays than musicals. I don't live in the US. I was not in the UK when she did stuff here. x"

I say you have nothing to apologize for, though I think CT2NYC is kiddingabout this being grounds for being kicked off the board because he/sherecognizes the level of obsession here.

Yes, LuPone is well known amongtheater fans, but not the general public. I think she's hugely overrated and is mostly therecipient of great luck: she was in Evita and Les Miz, two of the biggest hits of their respective decades(both of which would have been just as big without her being cast in them). This gave her prestige among producers that translated into lots of jobs aimed atbringing the crowds forthose shows to other productions.

She's a mediocrity. He diction is abysmal. She has a real issue with belting (she's not great at it, and she doesn't transition well from a moretraditionally sung line to a belted one). She's very bad at choosing when to speak or sing in a line when trying toprovideavariation on a standard. There's not a trace of delicacy or gentility in any performance she's ever given (she's terrible at brittle comedy because of her sledgehammer interpretations). She's never re-interpreted aknow role in a way that makes it uniquely hers.

I like her tough-as-nails Eva Peron, it may be my favorite recording of the role, though in many ways it's actually a bad acting choice. It's impossible to see why the crowds or the menloverher because she's always playing the narcissistic monster--the irony created bythe sweeter voiced interpretations ofJulie Covington and Elaine Paige fits the intentions of the piece better. Anywaythat's one role. From decades ago.

I think she's more the theater world's stand out example of someonefamous for being famous than anything else."

I have seen her in War Paint and Company and fail to see the attraction.

The fact she's a rude big mouth doesn't endear me to her either, though I did quite enjoy herin Hollywood though I think it was more the character I liked than her performance."

I was exaggerating, but I wasn't kidding, and the fact that you keep critiquing her nearly 50-year career when you've only been aware of her for 5 is laughable and embarrassing.

Updated On: 5/6/20 at 02:54 PM

[ljay889]

Posted: 5/6/20 at 3:07pm

CT2NYC said: "Impossible2 said: "joevitus said: "Impossible2 said: "CT2NYC said: "Impossible2 said: "AEA AGMA SM said: "Impossible2 said: "Seriously, before she took the phone off that audience member I'd never even heard of her x"

I'm sorry, love her or hate her, to suggest that she was unknown before that incident is just ridiculous."

Only I didn't say that at all, I said 'I' had never heard of her. The name rang a bell, slightly, but if I had to point her out in a lineup I'd have had no hope."

Admitting that you didn't know who Patti LuPone was until 2015 should be grounds for banishment from this board."

I didn't really get back into theatre again until 2016 after probably a 15 year hiatus. I am more into plays than musicals. I don't live in the US. I was not in the UK when she did stuff here. x"

I say you have nothing to apologize for, though I think CT2NYC is kiddingabout this being grounds for being kicked off the board because he/sherecognizes the level of obsession here.

Yes, LuPone is well known amongtheater fans, but not the general public. I think she's hugely overrated and is mostly therecipient of great luck: she was in Evita and Les Miz, two of the biggest hits of their respective decades(both of which would have been just as big without her being cast in them). This gave her prestige among producers that translated into lots of jobs aimed atbringing the crowds forthose shows to other productions.

She's a mediocrity. He diction is abysmal. She has a real issue with belting (she's not great at it, and she doesn't transition well from a moretraditionally sung line to a belted one). She's very bad at choosing when to speak or sing in a line when trying toprovideavariation on a standard. There's not a trace of delicacy or gentility in any performance she's ever given (she's terrible at brittle comedy because of her sledgehammer interpretations). She's never re-interpreted aknow role in a way that makes it uniquely hers.

I like her tough-as-nails Eva Peron, it may be my favorite recording of the role, though in many ways it's actually a bad acting choice. It's impossible to see why the crowds or the menloverher because she's always playing the narcissistic monster--the irony created bythe sweeter voiced interpretations ofJulie Covington and Elaine Paige fits the intentions of the piece better. Anywaythat's one role. From decades ago.

I think she's more the theater world's stand out example of someonefamous for being famous than anything else."

I have seen her in War Paint and Company and fail to see the attraction.

The fact she's a rude big mouth doesn't endear me to her either, though I did quite enjoy herin Hollywood though I think it was more the character I liked than her performance."

I was exaggerating, but I wasn't kidding, and the fact that you keep critiquing her nearly 50-year career when you've only been aware of her for 5 is laughable and embarrassing."

LOL, I was thinking that, too. The Patti bashing has gotten so old on this board, we get it some of you don't like her, but the constant bashing and making claims like she won't be remembered in 50 years is ludicrous. 

[CT2NYC]

Posted: 5/6/20 at 3:20pm

Impossible2, take a look at Patti's Wikipedia page, and then let us know if you think you're qualified to make the claim that "There's not a trace of delicacy or gentility in any performance she's ever given (she's terrible at brittle comedy because of her sledgehammer interpretations)."  Ridiculous generalizations like this make you look foolish.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patti_LuPone

[joevitus]

Posted: 5/6/20 at 4:00pm

CT2NYC said: "Impossible2, take a look at Patti's Wikipedia page, and then let us know if you think you're qualified to make the claim that "There's not a trace of delicacy or gentility in any performance she's ever given (she's terrible at brittle comedy because of her sledgehammer interpretations)."Ridiculous generalizations like this make you look foolish.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patti_LuPone"

They really don't. And if you think that people in the theater world knowing her now means she's be known in 50 years, I'd say that's the foolish argument. How many of today's theater fans could tell you who Marilyn Miller was? Lots of big stars in their time are forgotten when the times move on. Gwen Verdon had much more talent than Patti LuPone, but she'll probably be forgotton, too.