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#1

Pet Peves from a Pianist.

Hey All!

I recently finished up playing a round of auditions in Manhattan, for a professional equity company, and I can not believe how some people come into auditions! My specifics

*Coming in with music that is not in a binder, is single sided, and looks like the auditioner threw it in their bag, put it in the washing machine, and then pulled it out for you to play - regardless of the difficulty, you need to worry about turning twice as many pages while the music is falling on top of you.
TIP - Put your music into a 3 ring binder, preferably in plastic sleves, and dont fill the binder so much that it is nearly impossible to turn the pages. Don't bring in the long cardboard stand with music glued on it unless you have it on 1 piece. When someone brings in the first 3 pages on one piece, and the next 3 pages on the 2nd piece, its a pain to move it without dropping out for 2 or more bars in one hand.

*People who come in and sing On My Own, Think of Me, and the other cliche songs.
TIP - Sing something original that shows off your voice, there is more out there then Think of Me to show off your high notes ("Golden Ram" from 2 by 2 for instance, "Vanilla Ice Cream" which, although not a favorite of mine, is sung less then Christines cadenza.)

*People who get pissed off at the accompanist when they bring in "Thank Goodness" from Wicked, claiming the pianist was not following them when they were singing everything in a straight 6/8.
TIP - Practice your songs before you get there with a REAL pianist, not the CD, and get your tempos, notes, etc. down pat before you come in. And if you do screw up, wether your fault or the accompanists, be gracious about it. Personally, when I play an audition with a smaller company (equity or not) if I screw up a song I will be the first one to say to the producer or MD, "You know, I think that I may have thrown him/her off, could we hear another 16 bars." If I don't get any respect though...no way!!

Any other input from Actors, Pianists, or Producers?
You learn to play the straight man, the lines become routine - never really saying what you mean - but i know the scene will change :)
#3

re: Pet Peves from a Pianist.

Good point. I jsut have one question.

Isn't it bad to put your music in laminated sheets? Because then, doesn't the light sorta create a glare? Also, is it okay for the sheet music to a) be taped together so it folds in and out and comes out straight without falling off on the piano or b?be in a book? Just wondering.
#4

re: Pet Peves from a Pianist.

I have never had a problem with glare personally - but its a good point. If you are worried about it then I would say get those little sticky things to put over the holes, cause it sucks when you do a page turn and one of the holes rips and your are strugling to keep the page up and play and follow at the same time.

If you wanna tape it so its in one lien thats great, the problem comes if there are "sheet turns" - if it all lays out it is usually ok - the only thing i would say is make sure its on one sturdy piece of cardstock or something because people sometimes bring in just pages taped together, and they bend all over the place if you dont have a good stand on the piano.

And books tend to be problematic because you turn the page and it starts closing back on you.

Thats the only reason i recomend a binder.
You learn to play the straight man, the lines become routine - never really saying what you mean - but i know the scene will change :)
#5

re: Pet Peves from a Pianist.

I usually fold the op edges of my music so they can turn the page better so.. yeah. thanks and AMEN!
#7

re: Pet Peves from a Pianist.

No Problem.

Obviously, every pianist has his own ideal way to get things done, but it is frustrating to everybody when someone comes in that is not prepared, including the Directors and Producers.

You learn to play the straight man, the lines become routine - never really saying what you mean - but i know the scene will change :)

Updated On: 8/29/05 at 04:48 PM

#8

re: Pet Peves from a Pianist.

well, can you come over and play my song for me so I can practice? some of us don't have access to a real pianist. what do we do???

good points though. I've been doing the binder thing with plastic sheets for two years. it's just a courtesy...

although I have trouble picking songs too. I always try to steer clear of those "cliché" songs, but those seem to be the easiest sheet music to find. I want to sing "I See The Future" from THE FIX at my next audition, but I can't find the music anywhere... sucks...

Updated On: 8/29/05 at 04:56 PM

#9

re: Pet Peves from a Pianist.

Since I have no idea how old you are, I'll tell you what I tell general age groups.

If you are in Middle School or High School, ask your choral director for the name of somebody who plays whatever style you are looking for well.

If you are in college, or above, you just need to do your research, look through old contact lists for your accompanists name and number, do a google search for Piano +CITY and STATE.

If you look and look and you can find nobody to play (friends, family, old musical directors, accompanists, teachers, etc...) then call your local American Federation of Musicians office, or a local music store, or find where they give piano lessons in your area, and contact those people.

You can always find somebody somewhere, even if they may cost some money.

The other thing that you can do is hire somebody to make MIDI tracks for you. At least that way you will hear what the accompinment sounds like before you get there. Also, if you download your music off of musicnotes.com, you can often play the songs and hear the Piano and Vocal parts together.

Hope that this info helps a little.
You learn to play the straight man, the lines become routine - never really saying what you mean - but i know the scene will change :)
#10

re: Pet Peves from a Pianist.

what an informative thread! I was wondering about some of these things!

Also, (i would NEVER do this but my friends are very 'diva')
Can u/should you EVER ask an accompianist to cut a few lines/bars out or move to another page during the audition? IMO its a rude thing to do but i'm just curious
"talent is wanting something hard enough to work for it" - my drama teacher :)
#11

re: Pet Peves from a Pianist.

Advice on finding sheet music - check your local library's music section. I found a ton of stuff at the Michigan State University library - new and old, rare and common. The Chicago Public Library has an AMAZING musical theatre sheet music section, though a little disorganized.
There's always room for pathos - and jazz hands.
#12

re: Pet Peves from a Pianist.

Thats a tough question.

To be honest with you, most professionals should be able to handle it.

However if you are moving at a mile a minute cause you come in nervous to the audition, it is quite easy for the pianist to misinterpret you, or (what has happened to me a few times) the person who asked me to do the cut, forgot what they told me to cut and sang through the whole thing anyway.

In an ideal world, it would all be marked ahead of time, but if a producers asks for 16 bars and you prepared 32, bring a pencil, and just makr off the cut and where you want to jump to.

Hope this helps.
You learn to play the straight man, the lines become routine - never really saying what you mean - but i know the scene will change :)
#13

re: Pet Peves from a Pianist.

thanks, Aqp, that will clear some much heated debate with my friends. I personally would NEVER walk into an audition with sheet music that is not prepared for my accompianist. It is hard enough playing the music let alone remembering what the singer told you to leave out/add in/change yadda yadda


"talent is wanting something hard enough to work for it" - my drama teacher :)
#14

re: Pet Peves from a Pianist.

Something else I've been told to by a pianist (not that I've done it) is that it's extremely rude to snap your fingers to set the tempo.

Also, don't ask if you can go back and re-do it. That's a personal pet peeve of mine, and everytime I see someone at an audition who does that all I can think of is "Oh my God, suck it up and be professional." You can't ask an audience to go back, so don't ask the director. But that's just me. I don't know how others feel about it.
#15

re: Pet Peves from a Pianist.

I personally don't care if someone snaps a tempo for me if thats what makes them comfortable and thats what they have practiced. Regardless of how they set the tempo, either singing or counting or snapping, I play a bar or two until they say - "Yup thats what I need."

As for restrating an audition - I am going to assume that we are all on the same page of professional auditions because school and community theatre it happens all the time - I have seen some producers put people in their 'junk' pile because people ask to restart a song regardless of their talent. Trust me - if we like your look, but we think you screwed up your song, we will ask you to sing it again or sign something else - please just keep going.
You learn to play the straight man, the lines become routine - never really saying what you mean - but i know the scene will change :)
#16

re: Pet Peves from a Pianist.

Yeah, I seriously cringe whenever someone asks to do their number again.

And may I just say accompanists are probably the most underapreciated people in showbusiness. They do so much and people care so little.
#17

re: Pet Peves from a Pianist.

Thanks - its always nice to hear that once in a while (and trust me it is once in a while) - however the musicians will never be the star of the show (unless maybe you are in Moving Out) and thats OK - it's all part of the job.

And to be honest - a lot of times - audition pianists are in it for a check to pay their rent. Dont get me wrong, I love what I do, but playing auditions you dont get a chance for any creative input - its for the cash.
You learn to play the straight man, the lines become routine - never really saying what you mean - but i know the scene will change :)
#18

re: Pet Peves from a Pianist.

what about using a music book w/ spiral binding ? Do you know what I mean? When I get new music book i go to Kinkos and get it binded so that all the pages lay flat.
#19

re: Pet Peves from a Pianist.

As long as everything can turn OK and the cuts are clearly marked that is a great idea.

Nobody has ever brought in music like that to me but it sounds great! A PLUS FOR EFFORT!
You learn to play the straight man, the lines become routine - never really saying what you mean - but i know the scene will change :)
#20

re: Pet Peves from a Pianist.

so just for clarity, it's better for the sheet music to be double sided?
#21

re: Pet Peves from a Pianist.

It's deffinatley better to be 2-sided.

It gives us less pages to turn so we can play more of what you brought in for us instead of dropping out one of our hands every 8 bars.
You learn to play the straight man, the lines become routine - never really saying what you mean - but i know the scene will change :)
#22

re: Pet Peves from a Pianist.

k just making sure.

and sorry one more thing,

say the song is really short, like 2 or 3 pages, would it be better to have them on thick paper and taped together? there for be one sided? (:
#23

re: Pet Peves from a Pianist.

Don't be Sorry for asking smart qeustions.

If you are going to post it onto card stock or some other heavy paper - make sure you can fit it all on one sheet and dont make it longer then 4 - 5 pages max or you need to risk it falling off in the middle of your song, and then that would be a bad thing.

I still prefer the tried and true binder method - it just looks the most professional as opposed to bring in a big piece of Cardboard with music on it.
You learn to play the straight man, the lines become routine - never really saying what you mean - but i know the scene will change :)
#25

re: Pet Peves from a Pianist.

AvenueQ--this has got to be the most useful and productive thread that I have seen on here! Yea for you!

MagicToDo--is it the main branch of the Chicago Public Library that you use? I've never been, but I know that most large city and university libraries have large collections of plays and music.

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