Remember When I said that 9-5 had a poor advance? — Page 2

It's actually not 370. But I am not getting into this with people who say that "9-5 DESERVES to have been nominated" and "{tos} got screwed". People who base their decisions on emotion and not logical fact have no place in the business world. Those are the people who invested in Title of Show and lost their entire investment.
ROA has no orchestra, 18 people in the cast, small theater for rent. Its nut is like a big PLAY.
and guys and dolls and shrek and 9-5 have NOT been making their nut. seeing as Shrek's is 750, 9-5's is 650 and guys and dolls is 600. Yes SOME weeks they do but it doesn't equalize the losses.
And I am tired of people asking for LINKS to op costs. You know full well they are not published so stop asking.

Point being. ROA's demographic is bigger than almost any other shows' on Broadway. It appeals to the mass population of America. When you look at the line to get in and see Dale Earnhardt jackets in front of women with pants suits, and boys who are 12 who love the music from Rock Band, its only a matter of time before the show receives national attention (tony nom) and tix sales sky rocket. Supply and Demand Economics. They are supplying a show with 80's music and beer. Find another show that does that. Movie musicals are becoming a dime a dozen, and if i see one more costumed "actor" on Broadway I am just going to call it Disneyland (yes I know Shrek is Dreamworks).
Ugh. It's like talking to children..wait..you all are children right? I loved seeing people write, "darnit, I have to go to school i can't see the tony's". ha ha ha. Have fun in P.E.

Updated On: 5/6/09 at 11:49 AM

mass - Where exactly are you pulling your information from? Your ass?

Curtain, a Bettyboy is a male who is hopelessly devoted to Ms.Betty Buckley. :)

---

It's not possible that massofmen works alongside/lives with a GM (or something similar), and so has some sense of the truth of these numbers. Right?

"its nut is actually lower than that.
And for a show to be opening in MARCH in one of the biggest economic downturns in the history of America, and not even hitting the summer yet, its doing GREAT business. Its making op costs every week and actually making a profit. Which is more than I can say for Guys and Dolls, 9-5 Shrek N2n..shall I keep going?
And now with tony nom's and tons of TV appearances to come because of those noms, the avg tix price will escalate during the summer which will drive grosses up.
So its a little different than Xanadu. Also because ROA's fan base is about half the country where xanadu's was about..Chelsea and the Village?
If ROA is the xanadu for striaght people, the show is going to run for a long long time. "

I've said it once, and I will say it again...you are putting down 9 to 5 to make yourself feel better about ROA. I don't know how long 9 to 5 will last, but all I know is that HAIR will run for over 2 years by the rate its going.

---

ROA producer was on a business television show and said that all profits from alcohol go to the theater. And alchohol profits are huge. So, I'm sure that is part of their lease deal with the theater.

The weekly minimum is far below $370K. The producer said that in order for investors to recoup their original investment in a year, they need to be at 85% of gross. They are at about 75% now. After investors recoup, they will make 60% return at 85% of gross. Not a bad deal at all, I'd say.

ROA is doing well and already giving their investors a return. Teh movie rights figure into the longterm, plus it is a show with mass appeal outside of NYC and will likely have touring companies for years to come.

Keep sweet talking it. Keep shoving it down our throats about its investment to try to clear our minds about how bad the show is.

---

Shows like Wicked, Little Mermaid, etc can do that. I don't think a kid is going to want to run to see a musical about an era they don't even know.

---

I've read the word "nut" more in the last two pages than the last two weeks.

---

I'm curious as to why there has to be a "war" between 9 to 5 and RoA? They're two different shows with different audiences and, well, different everything. The only real similiarity between the two is that they're both on Broadway and both have "found" material.

Why does one have to fail and one succeed? Where is the "this town ain't big enough for the two of us" mentality coming from?

As theatre fans we should want as many shows to succeed as possible. When shows succeed they bring in money for their producers/investers thus allowing them to produce more shows in the future. Talented people are being employed by BOTH shows.

Is everything going to appeal to everybody? Nope but that's what makes Broadway so magical. To steal a line from Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves "Allah loves wondrous varieties". It's good that there's a variety of entertainment for a variety of people.

While, RoA has no appeal for me I don't wish ill will upon it. I hope people do enjoy it.

---

NUT.

IT is not enough that the show I like succeed. The shows I hate must also fail.