Stupid question regarding Ragtime

[Over_the_Moon]

Posted: 7/29/05 at 12:03am

As most of you know, this is one of my favorite musicals, but there's something (a few things, actually) that I never understand.
I get the significance of "Warn the duke!" but what reason does the little boy have for running about yelling that throughout the show?

Also, at the end of "Nothing Like the City," why does he say "We're going to know those people." ?

Thanks for enlightening me...

[brdlwyr]

Posted: 7/29/05 at 12:06am

He is a visionary and warning as to the 28 June, 1914
Assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand which led to the start of WW I.

His mother marries Tateh and again he sees the future. Updated On: 7/29/05 at 12:06 AM

[Over_the_Moon]

Posted: 7/29/05 at 12:09am

I know that's what it was about, but I just don't get...it.

[musicnmath]

Posted: 7/29/05 at 12:10am

there's a comment somewhere early on about how the boy could tell the future or something...which allows him to say things like that (since both are indicate future knowledge).

That wasn't really helpful, was it?

[Over_the_Moon]

Posted: 7/29/05 at 12:16am

There is?

[brdlwyr]

Posted: 7/29/05 at 12:18am

OTM - I always thought that the boy was telling the story - so why would he not know what is going to happen??

[Plum]

Posted: 7/29/05 at 12:21am

I think Doctorow's book was being narrated by Little Boy at some point after its events.

[Calvin]

Posted: 7/29/05 at 12:23am

There are a few other "vision of the future" moments with the boy. He has the dream of Houdini at the beginning of Act II about the upcoming firehouse explosions. Later on, during the "Somewhere in the City" song, Mother talks about injured firefighters, and he says "One of them will be dead by tomorrow." There might be others -- those are all that come to mind right now.

[brdlwyr]

Posted: 7/29/05 at 12:23am

Never read the book.

[Over_the_Moon]

Posted: 7/29/05 at 12:25am

I guess the fact that we're doing a concert version of the show plays into it...

I've read the book a million times trying to figure it out.

[Blair]

Posted: 7/29/05 at 12:27am

I don't know if it's of any signifigance, but I read somewhere that the little boy is supposed to be E.L. Doctorow. After all, the author's first name IS Edgar.

[EvelynNesbit1906]

Posted: 7/29/05 at 12:28am

The show is about people who have no sense of history or consequence for their actions, and people who are very much aware of both. The boy symbolizes an awareness of the relationship between events occuring at the turn of the century and the coming world war that will forever change life in the U.S. Those events include:

1) the shooting of Stanford White by Harry Thaw over Evelyn Nesbit, which is the first 'bang, bang' act of passion. World War I will be characterized by similarly violent acts of passion, beginning with the assassinations of Ferdinand and Sophie.

2) Harry Houdini's interest in modern technology (especially technology that allows the miracles of flight, disappearance and escape) and foresight to prevent tragedy. People waging the war and the modernists who have to deal with its psychological impact afterward wil be concerned with technology and foresight too.

3) the villification of Coalhouse for an act of passion that really isn't any less legitimate than the same act committed by Harry Thaw over Evelyn Nesbit (both of whom profit from their acts of passion). The war that the Little Boy foresees will be waged on similar we-them terms with strong racial overtones. Emma Goldman and Tateh are already engaging in a dialogue on this. Additionally, the war will involve a great deal of spectacle - which, judging by the press Nesbit, Houdini and Walker receive - already fascinates the public.

Bottom Line: There are numerous connections between the war and the events occurring within the ragtime era, and the little boy recognizes them more than any other character. Modernists of the 1920s (ESPECIALLY Virginia Woolf) were deeply concerned about the impact that World War I had on the human psyche and the signs of the war in "quainter" times. As a postmodernist, EL Doctorow perpetuated this same concern but revised it by (to put it bluntly) broadening the concerned subjects beyond the Anglo-Saxons with which Woolf was so enamored.


Updated On: 7/29/05 at 12:28 AM

[ConvinceMe2]

Posted: 7/29/05 at 12:28am

Why the hell are you asking us? What do we look like, E.L. Doctorow?

[Plum]

Posted: 7/29/05 at 12:29am

The Little Boy has elements in common with Doctorow, but don't mistake Ragtime for any sort of autobiography.

[brdlwyr]

Posted: 7/29/05 at 12:32am

Damn, regardless, the score is beautiful!

[EvelynNesbit1906]

Posted: 7/29/05 at 12:33am

Plum is right. The Little Boy isn't named Edgar in the book, and Doctorow wasn't around in the ragtime era. Some people just assume the narrator to be him because the narrator refers to the members of the WASP family as Father, Mother and Grandfather - hence suggesting the perspective of a child reflecting on the distant past.

[Over_the_Moon]

Posted: 7/29/05 at 12:38am

Thanks for your help, all...


Keep in mind, this question is coming from the girl who just figured out yesterday that "younger brother" and "uncle" were the same person...

[CATSNYrevival]

Posted: 7/29/05 at 2:42am

<----- we open on the 5th. whoo hoo!!!