#1
Posted: 4/1/08 at 5:55pm
With Legally Blonde's recent "success", have there been any other notable successful shows which weren't honored with a nomination for the tony?
Successful Shows which DIDN'T get nominated for Best musical?
#2
Posted: 4/1/08 at 5:59pm
LEGALLY BLONDE is still a flop.
AIDA wasn't nominated for Best Musical, and it was a hit that ran for four years.
AIDA wasn't nominated for Best Musical, and it was a hit that ran for four years.
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#3
Posted: 4/1/08 at 6:00pm
Legally Blonde is a notable succesful show?
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#4
Posted: 4/1/08 at 6:05pm
He means financially.
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#5
Posted: 4/1/08 at 6:08pm
AIDA wasn't nominated for Best Musical
And rightfully so. I still don't know how it managed the Best Score win.
Oh! Calcutta! and The Magic Show hold the top two slots for longest runs without a Best Musical nomination. As a matter of fact, Calcutta is the fifth longest running Broadway musical (including longest running musical revival) and didn't receive any award nominations whatsoever.
And rightfully so. I still don't know how it managed the Best Score win.
Oh! Calcutta! and The Magic Show hold the top two slots for longest runs without a Best Musical nomination. As a matter of fact, Calcutta is the fifth longest running Broadway musical (including longest running musical revival) and didn't receive any award nominations whatsoever.
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#6
Posted: 4/1/08 at 6:38pm
He means financially.
Legally Blonde is a notable succesful show financially?
Legally Blonde is a notable succesful show financially?
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#7
Posted: 4/1/08 at 6:49pm
What i mean is that it's on the track right now to not only making back it's profits, but it's spawning a national tour, the score and musical are becoming more & more popular with the MTV recording (If you think not, walk into a northern Jersey Hih School and start singing Omigod Yoy Guys & see how many teens start singing with you), and it's starting a TV show. That's a pretty good success to me, considerring that it wasn't even ominated for Best Musical, OR won ANY award other than the one ensemble award (And really, who the hell goes to see the show JUST because of that).
#8
Posted: 4/1/08 at 6:57pm
Oh Calcutta
Jesus Christ Superstar
The Magic Show
Jesus Christ Superstar
The Magic Show
[title of show] on Broadway. it's time. believe.
#9
Posted: 4/1/08 at 6:58pm
Godspell
[title of show] on Broadway. it's time. believe.
#10
Posted: 4/1/08 at 6:59pm
Jekyll and Hyde
Beatlemania
Victor/ Victoria (well... that was at least as successful as Blonde)
Beatlemania
Victor/ Victoria (well... that was at least as successful as Blonde)
[title of show] on Broadway. it's time. believe.
#11
Posted: 4/1/08 at 7:30pm
Beat me to it..Jekyll & Hyde! Ran for just about four years, and had some "big" people in it...but it was still a finicial flop.
#12
Posted: 4/1/08 at 7:53pm
Mister Matt I hate to be put in the position of defending Aida, but had it been nominated for best musical, there is not a shred of doubt that it would have won.
Updated On: 4/1/08 at 07:53 PM
#13
Posted: 4/1/08 at 7:55pm
Joe, just admit it, you love it. ADMIT IT!!!!!
#14
Posted: 4/1/08 at 10:54pm
Legally Blonde is NOT a flop it's finshing it's first year this month. Pirate Queen was a flop.
#15
Posted: 4/1/08 at 11:36pm
A flop, in the strictest sense, is a show which did not recoup its initial investment. Legally Blonde has not done so. Technically, I don't think this makes it a flop (I think of flops are shows which haven't recouped once they close), but insofar as this thread it is.
The Bernadette Peters Gypsy revival ran for a year and a half and didn't make back its investment. Thus, flop. Length of run has nothing to do with it.
The Bernadette Peters Gypsy revival ran for a year and a half and didn't make back its investment. Thus, flop. Length of run has nothing to do with it.
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#16
Posted: 4/1/08 at 11:43pm
defyingravity07, THOROUGHLY MODERN MILLIE won six Tony Awards including Best Musical, ran for more than two years, and was still a flop.
It didn't make a penny. Any show that loses money is a flop.
It didn't make a penny. Any show that loses money is a flop.
"Winning a Tony this year is like winning Best Attendance in third grade: no one will care but the winner and their mom."
-Kad
"I have also met him in person, and I find him to be quite funny actually. Arrogant and often misinformed, but still funny."
-bjh2114 (on Michael Riedel)
-Kad
"I have also met him in person, and I find him to be quite funny actually. Arrogant and often misinformed, but still funny."
-bjh2114 (on Michael Riedel)
#17
Posted: 4/2/08 at 12:49am
Aida is the first show that comes to my mind. I honetly think it was robbed a nomination and a very possible win.
#18
Posted: 4/2/08 at 12:52am
Actually, "Camelot" did not get nominated for Best Musical and there were only three musicals nominated for Best Musical that year. ("Bye, Bye Birdie" won.)
"110 in the Shade" didn't get nominated. Though that was the year of "She Loves Me", "High Spirits" "Hello Dolly" and "Funny Girl".
"110 in the Shade" didn't get nominated. Though that was the year of "She Loves Me", "High Spirits" "Hello Dolly" and "Funny Girl".
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#19
Posted: 4/2/08 at 12:55am
"Mister Matt I hate to be put in the position of defending Aida, but had it been nominated for best musical, there is not a shred of doubt that it would have won. "
I absolutely agree with that sentiment.
I absolutely agree with that sentiment.
#20
Posted: 4/2/08 at 1:11am
a show like Millie may not have made it's initial investment, but I wouldn't call it a straight-up flop-- even though I know you guys define a flop as an initial production not making back its investment. Millie has been done by every single regional theatre in country, and has had successful eq and non-eq tours.. i think it's ridiculous to call things cut and dry flops when a show as accessible as Millie will be done for years to come.
#21
Posted: 4/2/08 at 1:50am
and continue to suck, for years and years to come.
#22
Posted: 4/2/08 at 1:52am
"Mister Matt I hate to be put in the position of defending Aida, but had it been nominated for best musical, there is not a shred of doubt that it would have won."
"Aida is the first show that comes to my mind. I honetly think it was robbed a nomination and a very possible win."
So true.
"Aida is the first show that comes to my mind. I honetly think it was robbed a nomination and a very possible win."
So true.
#23
Posted: 4/2/08 at 1:59am
i think it's ridiculous to call things cut and dry flops when a show as accessible as Millie will be done for years to come.
By those standards, every show put on anywhere has enough merit to be found somewhere.
Sorry, this is Broadway:
Recouped = HIT
Not = FLOP
We are not talking about the book or score, but about a specific production on Broadway. If Millie has 345669 succesful community theater and regional productions all over the universe, great. The Broadway production was a flop.
By those standards, every show put on anywhere has enough merit to be found somewhere.
Sorry, this is Broadway:
Recouped = HIT
Not = FLOP
We are not talking about the book or score, but about a specific production on Broadway. If Millie has 345669 succesful community theater and regional productions all over the universe, great. The Broadway production was a flop.
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#24
Posted: 4/2/08 at 2:04am
Blueroses321, it is not our definition. It is Variety's.
For years (well since the 1950s anyhow)they publish an annual tabulation of the season's HITS (shows that paid off) and FLOPS (shows thst didn't.)
A running show that has not recouped is not a FLOP. It is classed as STATUS UNDETERMINED until it either recoups or closes. That is the technical status of LEGALLY BLONDE right now.
For years (well since the 1950s anyhow)they publish an annual tabulation of the season's HITS (shows that paid off) and FLOPS (shows thst didn't.)
A running show that has not recouped is not a FLOP. It is classed as STATUS UNDETERMINED until it either recoups or closes. That is the technical status of LEGALLY BLONDE right now.
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#25
Posted: 4/2/08 at 2:05am
not disagreeing with you at all...just stating the issue.
i honestly don't care what people call it.
i honestly don't care what people call it.
Updated On: 4/2/08 at 02:05 AM
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