Lot666 said: "chernjam said: "RE: The visible, dead Joe Gillis - one theatregoer from London who went to the Director Q & A said: Isn't it a reminder that the story is being narrated to us by a dead man? Not that he dies at the end and this is all some kind of flashback, but that the dead man is actually telling us the story. Does the body descend just after he's shot? I guess that means from that point on he's no longer narrating and we're on our own to watch the final scene."
I don't know, I still think my staging of the body-in-the-pool would be more effective.
I have a friend who saw the show for the first time recently, and she didn't even realize the body belonged to Joe Gillis until he got shot at the end. The opening scene of the musical is nearly identical to the the film with one big exception: in the film, William Holden's face is clearly visible in the pool, thereby alleviating any confusion. It's not supposed to be a surprise that Joe dies at the end. The best way to insure that the audience knows it's him in the pool would be a projection with Michael Xavier's face clearly shown.
CT2NYC said: "I have a friend who saw the show for the first time recently, and she didn't even realize the body belonged to Joe Gillis until he got shot at the end."
Wow! A lady seated next to me asked at the interval whether it was "a real man up there".
CT2NYC said: "The opening scene of the musical is nearly identical to the the film with one big exception: in the film, William Holden's face is clearly visible in the pool, thereby alleviating any confusion. It's not supposed to be a surprise that Joe dies at the end. The best way to insure that the audience knows it's him in the pool would be a projection with Michael Xavier's face clearly shown."
I did wonder why they used the mannequin instead of a projection, which seems like it would've been the easy (lazy?) way out. Chernjam recently suggested a conscious avoidance of design elements that might feel "cinematic" to critics, so perhaps that had something to do with it. In the original production, was the body a projection on the screen or did they use a mannequin suspended behind the "pool" surface?
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Am I the only nit-picker who gets annoyed when critics misquote lines from shows, especially famous lines ( “I’m still big—it’s the pictures that got small" )?
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Am I the only nit-picker who gets annoyed when critics misquote lines from shows, especially famous lines { “I’m still big—it’s the pictures that got small" )?
It's not just you, and it's hardly nit-picking. As a person who's extremely detail-oriented, I find it infuriating. A journalist who is not conscientious enough to do his/her research is a hack, in my opinion.
Am I the only nit-picker who gets annoyed when critics misquote lines from shows, especially famous lines { “I’m still big—it’s the pictures that got small" )?
It's not just you, and it's hardly nit-picking. As a person who's extremely detail-oriented, I find it infuriating. A journalist who is not conscientious enough to do his/her research is a hack, in my opinion.
Lot666 said: "CT2NYC said: "I have a friend who saw the show for the first time recently, and she didn't even realize the body belonged to Joe Gillis until he got shot at the end."
Wow! A lady seated next to me asked at the interval whether it was "a real man up there".
CT2NYC said: "The opening scene of the musical is nearly identical to the the film with one big exception: in the film, William Holden's face is clearly visible in the pool, thereby alleviating any confusion. It's not supposed to be a surprise that Joe dies at the end. The best way to insure that the audience knows it's him in the pool would be a projection with Michael Xavier's face clearly shown."
I did wonder why they used the mannequin instead of a projection, which seems like it would've been the easy (lazy?) way out. Chernjam recently suggested a conscious avoidance of design elements that might feel "cinematic" to critics, so perhaps that had something to do with it. In the original production, was the body a projection on the screen or did they use a mannequin suspended behind the "pool" surface?
It was a projection, no mannequin. However, in that case, as well, it was just a generic form, with no face clearly visible. It was an attempt to duplicate this shot:
CT2NYC said: "It was a projection, no mannequin. However, in that case, as well, it was just a generic form, with no face clearly visible."
Ah, that explains why I could never figure out how they got the body's clothing to seemingly move as though underwater when it was being fished out of the pool. All this time, I thought the suspended mannequin was also used in the original, so that bit always stumped me.
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I really enjoyed the links you guys posted...thanks!
"People have their opinions and that doesn't mean that their opinions are wrong or right. I just take it with a grain of salt because opinions are like as*holes, everyone has one".
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TNolen3 said: "Has anyone heard yet where the lottery seats are? I'm debating whether it'd be better to do lottery or rush...
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I won the lottery on Sunday. Seats were Row K seats 5 & 7. Slightly partial view. You miss a couple things on Norma's stairway, but not too much. It didn't bother me and was close to the stage which is great! For the price I think it's a great deal.
The people behind me also won the lottery.
On a different thread someone else posted that they won last week and got center orchestra.
Did the lottery on Weds 3/15 for the matinee. Had a great seat in the mezzanine, left side A 1. A really fantastic view with no issues at all in terms of sight lines. The mezz was fairly empty and some empty seats in the orchestra. I had very little familiarity with the show beyond the film and it was an interesting way to adapt a work that seems somewhat unadaptable.
Lots of cheering here and there for Norma's entrances in her different costumes. I am really glad I did this show because Glenn Close is really fantastic and the lottery is a steal at $55. Saw her on Monday at the taping for Seth Meyers and she is just incredible and seems to really care for this role and bringing it back again.
It was the first show I saw on my trip that had the collection for BCEFA. Glenn started the speech and handed it off to the guy who played Joe (had no idea he was British, saw the West End credits but clearly didn't put it together in my brain, his American accent is really good). He thanked the audience for being so responsive because he said the Wednesday matinee are often quiet since it is the middle of the afternoon during normal working hours.
emilythecool said: "...the guy who played Joe (had no idea he was British, saw the West End credits but clearly didn't put it together in my brain, his American accent is really good). He thanked the audience for being so responsive because he said the Wednesday matinee are often quiet since it is the middle of the afternoon during normal working hours."
I saw a Wednesday evening performance and he made similar remarks at the stage door. The cast members from the U.K. are definitely a bit wowed by the Americans' impassioned response; the Brits are apparently considerably more low-key about these things.
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Saw the matinee yesterday and thoroughly enjoyed it. What a show! Completely blew me away and I definitely reccomend it. I won the lottery and got orchestra row m seat 118 for $55. I go on ticketmaster to see what its normally priced and its $199 to sit there! Crazy how I got so lucky to this amazing show for such a great price in such a great seat. Perfect view and heard everything. Go see it!!!!!
Lot666 said: "Here's an old NY Times chestnut I stumbled on, about the fallout from the closing of the original production.
Thanks, great article! I did my part to help the original production recoup costs, but, after Glenn left, I don't think I ever spent more $40 on a ticket. I guess it was a tough sell, unfortunately.
CT2NYC said: "Lot666 said: "Here's an old NY Times chestnut I stumbled on, about the fallout from the closing of the original production.
Thanks, great article! I did my part to help the original production recoup costs, but, after Glenn left, I don't think I ever spent more $40 on a ticket. I guess it was a tough sell, unfortunately."
So you saw Glenn and Betty?
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So, I'd been trying to remember what I didn't like about Elaine Paige as Norma, so I decided to watch a couple of videos on YouTube for some recollection, and I figured out what it was. Her body movements were all over the place, and, for lack of a better word, off. The characterization of Norma relies heavily on how she moves, especially her hands and how she walks. I think it works best when her movements are exaggerated, but graceful. Elaine Paige seemed very manic, and it didn't work for me. She did this this thing with her hands when she sang "with one LOOK" that's I really couldn't stand. It crossed the line from "camp" (which I think Glenn's original performance relied heavily on, and which I enjoyed very much) into "cheese." Also, the way she walked was problematic and, frankly, ungraceful. This might have been due to the fact that her height required her to wear higher heels than normal. In any event, the effect was jarring. I know this is all subjective, so I'm curious to hear others' opinions on this topic.
Lot666 said: "CT2NYC said: "Lot666 said: "Here's an old NY Times chestnut I stumbled on, about the fallout from the closing of the original production.
Thanks, great article! I did my part to help the original production recoup costs, but, after Glenn left, I don't think I ever spent more $40 on a ticket. I guess it was a tough sell, unfortunately."
So you saw Glenn and Betty?
I saw Glenn, Betty, Karen Mason, and Elaine Paige. If I recall correctly, that was all of the original Normas.
CT2NYC said: "Lot666 said: "CT2NYC said: "I saw Glenn, Betty, Karen Mason, and Elaine Paige. If I recall correctly, that was all of the original Normas."
WOW. I guess Petula Clark was only in London, right?
Right, but she also toured with the show in the U.S.
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CT - I hated Elaine Paige in this. Thought her singing was overrated (Mason and Buckley definitely were better than Paige) and her acting was ridiculous. She was playing it almost as a cartoon.
Did any one see Whoopi Goldberg and Betty Buckley yesterday Wednesday, March 15? I saw Whoopi talk about Buckley and Close on today's The View. Took a pic on my TV (LOL) because I couldn't find any links to pictures with Close, Buckley, and Goldberg. Picture: https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B2bJyLliZCi0Y1FvUmdFTmdUMjQ