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Posted: 10/25/06 at 6:19pm

"How exactly is this better than something you'd see in "Ring Of Fire"? Or "Lennon"?"

The difference is choreographed BY TWYLA THARP.

[mint0621]

Posted: 10/25/06 at 6:34pm

And...adding onto ClumsyDude's comment...

"According to Tharp: Twyla Tharp is always right. Rule No. 2? See Rule No. 1. Rule No. 3? Yes, there is a 3. Though rare, it is possible for Tharp to be wrong. But only if she proves herself wrong"

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/22/magazine/22twyla.html

[Luscious]

Posted: 10/25/06 at 8:18pm

ATROCIOUS! Thank Christ for once I made the right decision and didn't throw my money away on this crap! Dylan should sue.

Updated On: 10/25/06 at 08:18 PM

[Raviolisun]

Posted: 10/25/06 at 9:00pm

He (Dylan) has actually said he thinks this is the best interpretation of his songs he's ever seen. Weird, I know.

[Ciaron McCarthy]

Posted: 10/25/06 at 9:13pm

I will never get what people see in Arden. It must be cause he's kinda cute. I never got his allure. The problem with this show seems, as I have not seen it, that all of Dylans intentions with his lyrics are being lost. Again, I have only seen the view clip but Arden cannot act this song out. "How Does It Feel" is coming across like some cheezy pop song. It's making me sick!!

[mint0621]

Posted: 10/25/06 at 9:26pm

This has previously been posted before by someone else but I thought it was an interesting article, which shows that Dylan may not be such a fan of the show:

"Dylan ... saw the show only once when it was playing in La Jolla, Calif. He signed off on it and never returned. Whether he's there on opening night is as much a mystery as the show itself. With such backstage scuffling, the odds are he will stay away."




Bob Dylan Musical Will Lose $10 Million, Insiders Say Updated On: 10/25/06 at 09:26 PM

[luvtheEmcee]

Posted: 10/25/06 at 9:31pm

I think what people see in Arden is simply his beautiful voice. He's a really talented actor, multi-talented musician, composer, and really cute guy, but I think most people latch on because of his voice.

Anyway, the thing that bugs me about these "he's not really sick!!" accusations is that yes, there have been people who abuse taking time off for illness, but just because there have been people with poor track records for whatever reason in the great plethora of many, suddenly NOBODY is ever really sick anymore. Suddenly as soon as reports come in that someone is sick, everyone is all about the backlash and trying to insist that it's not true or that there's some sort of conspiracy and so forth. That much, in terms of assuming a trend just because people HAVE f*cked up, is obnoxious.

[RentBoy86]

Posted: 10/25/06 at 9:34pm

Will this be posted online?

Posted: 10/25/06 at 9:37pm

I really like their artwork.

[Ciaron McCarthy]

Posted: 10/25/06 at 9:50pm

I think what people see in Arden is simply his beautiful voice. He's a really talented actor, multi-talented musician, composer, and really cute guy

All a matter of opinion =)

[luvtheEmcee]

Posted: 10/25/06 at 10:00pm

Well, you asked what people supposedly see in him. So... I told ya. :) But, while I think that how highly you regard him IS a matter of opinion, the fact that he HAS talent is fairly objective. I'm not sure you can watch him perform and think "wow, he sucks. He has NO talent," but to each his own, I guess.

[shiksa_goddess]

Posted: 10/25/06 at 10:44pm

With Michael, I don't know how anyone could NOT love his voice. It's so rich. He is so young, but has so much talent. I personally think he is adorable, I've never come across someone who dislikes him.

[everythingtaboo]

Posted: 10/26/06 at 1:12am

Arden is a great talent IMO. I've seen TIMES twice, and while my opinion of the show drastically went down upon the 2nd viewing, my opinion of Arden only went up. He is an amazing singer that does the best he can in the role (as most of the cast is visibly struggles to do). The View appearance was not him as his best, but I don't think it was so horrible as everyone's making it out to be. The choreography around him was horrible, I think he was just stuck in the middle of a tornado. Plus his staging was changed quite a bit if I recall, as the two other singers are in that scene as well.

[alterego]

Posted: 10/26/06 at 2:52am

I watched the The View performance with no preconceived ideas of what I was expecting to see and I was pleasantly surprised. (I'm not a Dylan fan). I would definetely consider going if in NY.

[mikem]

Posted: 10/26/06 at 3:05am

Which one of the clowns was John Selya?

[TomMonster]

Posted: 10/26/06 at 3:15am

He's still hot, and sweaty in this show...

Not quite sure how to describe his "clown".

Not quite sure how to describe anything in this show...

[uwho]

Posted: 10/26/06 at 6:05am

I'm not sure what some of you are seeing, or not seeing. I thought the performance on the "View" was great, including Michael's. Then I read these negative comments and was blown away. So I watched it over again with a friend who knew nothing about the show and he thought it was great and he didn't know that Michael was "bad" either. I'm guessing there is a generation out there lacking in imagination and appreciation of some very fine art, see beyond the obvious. People, see the dreams, see the metaphors. True Bob Dylan fans will catch more of the purpose of certain things on the stage. Watch the dancers and the movements. These people are all individuals living the dream, Twyla's dream, for an hour and a half. My God, she is brilliant. I stand in awe of her creativity. This is a beautifully laid out piece of American iconism.
I don't know why I care that not everybody "gets" it. Maybe, some of you are wanna be's and not quite there's. I just want to tell you not to blast something because you don't understand it or have it yet. It kind of makes you look ignorant. Ooops, Did I just type that out loud?
As for me, I'm off to see the show again!

[Princeton78]

Posted: 10/26/06 at 8:02am

I'll jump on the bandwagon here and say that I enjoyed it too.
I thought that despite the flu, Arden sounded incredible, looked amazing and thought that except for the yoga balls, the choreography was beautiful. I still don't get though why people have such a big problem with yoga balls when a few streets over, the dancing girls are wearing pretzels and sausages on their heads and people throw Tony Awards at it.

[SueleenGay]

Posted: 10/26/06 at 9:13am

Here is a link you might like. Or not. I just watched it again and it's even WORSE the second time.

By the way, why would Dylan talk BAD about the show? Even if he hates it, doesn't he get more money if it's a hit?

And as for the artwork, Isn't that the same art that was used for Pump Boys and Dinettes?

Tribune on The Times

Updated On: 10/26/06 at 09:13 AM

[Roger-the-Cabin-Boy]

Posted: 10/26/06 at 9:32am

Oh my god. Poor Michael.

Who staged this? Sid & Marty Krofft?

[mabel]

Posted: 10/26/06 at 9:39am

I still don't get though why people have such a big problem with yoga balls when a few streets over, the dancing girls are wearing pretzels and sausages on their heads and people throw Tony Awards at it.

Because that's supposed to be silly. I was never under the impression that this show was supposed to look silly and/or ridiculous (at times, at least). I'm a big Dylan fan, and the concept of this show, being set in a circus, sounded incredibly promising to me, considering the surreal tone much of his music took in the mid-'60s.

I think my main gripe about this is, the show should either be an abstract dance piece to Dylan's music (a la Cirque du Soleil) which I think would be better acheived without having the characters in the show singing (I guess, taking the Movin' Out approach) or commiting to having a narrative storyline and expanding on it. OK, so there's this vague love triangle with the father, son, and this girl, but what of it? How much character development can there be when you're just whipping through two dozen songs, one after the other? Sure, you might stumble on some narrative thread in there somewhere, but if they did, I had a hard time seeing it.

More power to the people who enjoyed it and saw the genius of Twyla's vision. You definitely can't count me among them, but the vast majority of the sold out audience I saw the show with seemed to love it. It takes all kinds, I guess. Just don't try to insult my intelligence by saying that if one doesn't "get it," that makes a person some sort of "wanna be's and not quite there's."

You don’t see me saying anyone who liked this show is a wanna-be, pseudo-intellectual who’s deluding him/herself into finding artistic vision in yoga balls, flashlights, and men dressed up like dogs. Ooops, did I just “type that out loud”? Please note that I don’t necessarily feel that way, re: those who enjoyed the show. There are dozens of Broadway shows, it's great that there's a wide variety of stuff out there, and there's nothing saying everyone should like/get/respond to everything. But, I took your initial post as sort of catty, so a catty response ensued on my part. What can I say, it's a Thursday morning, and it feels like it should be Friday. Definitely not in the cheeriest of moods.

[blueroses]

Posted: 10/26/06 at 9:42am

I watched The View late last night and was mortified! I LOVE Bob Dylan's music, and this was a joke. I also think Michael Arden is charming and talented with a great voice, but he seemed very, very out of place and I hated all of the hopping around. There is no saving this garbage. The background singing, the awful choreography, the BALLS (oh, I'm sorry, the "rolling stones")...what the f--k?

"By the way, why would Dylan talk BAD about the show? Even if he hates it, doesn't he get more money if it's a hit?"

Exactly.

[SueleenGay]

Posted: 10/26/06 at 9:43am

Here is a question.
Rosie said everyone in the audience was getting ticket to the show that day. Is this arranged way in advance or on the fly only if tickets are available for that days performance? Do the producers (of the Musical) say, "Hey, we are papering the house here's 300 tickets to give to your audience for today's show!"? Now given that most of the audience of The View are probably tourists, I would guess that most already have plans for the afternoon, so how many would actually take advantage and go see this performance?

[Ciaron McCarthy]

Posted: 10/26/06 at 9:55am

I've seen Arden in a bunch of stuff. He is NOT a good actor. He's very good looking and makes that snarl with his mouth when he sings. It's easy to see why the ladies and the fanboys love him. I don't think he is horrible. However, he is no Len Cariou.

[Miz M]

Posted: 10/26/06 at 10:39am

I love how at the begining of The View, Rosie said the show was "based on the life of Bob Dylan."

I guess she didn't see it yet.