#26
Posted: 12/28/05 at 10:48am
I thought Rent to be much more flawed than The Producers. The Producers stayed truer to it's original production, whereas Rent was totally different.
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#27
Posted: 12/28/05 at 11:53am
Does anyone else sort of feel like The Producers could have just been recorded live on Broadway and released on DVD with essentially the same results?
There's always room for pathos - and jazz hands.
#28
Posted: 12/28/05 at 12:02pm
I think the results would have been better if it had been filmed live on stage.
#29
Posted: 12/28/05 at 5:20pm
Some people are criticizing Susan for filming a broadway show instead of a movie. I only wish the makers of Annie (the one with Carol Burnett, Bernadette Peters) had gotten her to do that film. Susan did a great job with this movie, and deserves an oscar nomination.
This is my personal feeling only: I dislike movies that teach us lessons and stuff, which a lot of the movies that came out this year are doing (Crash, Syriana, Goodnight). I'm sure these films will get lots of nominations though, and the nominations are well deserved. But I like good melodrama and sensationalism. Speaking of Sensationalism, The Producers does seem like Cecil B Demile's idea of a musical.
This is my personal feeling only: I dislike movies that teach us lessons and stuff, which a lot of the movies that came out this year are doing (Crash, Syriana, Goodnight). I'm sure these films will get lots of nominations though, and the nominations are well deserved. But I like good melodrama and sensationalism. Speaking of Sensationalism, The Producers does seem like Cecil B Demile's idea of a musical.
#30
Posted: 12/28/05 at 7:07pm
Filming a live performance is at best a crap shoot. Go look at the shows preserved in lincoln center to see the variety of results. You can't film a live stage version and preserve it in the same way you can put something on film.
"Life is a lesson in humility"
#31
Posted: 12/28/05 at 8:10pm
Just saw "The Producers" and it should win EVERYTHING! Including the Heismann Trophy and the Stanley Cup!!!!
I ask in all honesty/What would life be?/Without a song and a dance, what are we?/So I say "Thank you for the music/For giving it to me."
#32
Posted: 12/28/05 at 8:34pm
SamIAm - Realize the Producers is only nominated in the Golden Globes because there is a Musical category, and the Golden Globes have predicted some oscar noms in the DRAMA categories very very rarely in the comedy musical category. Your list leaves no room for any other actors in the supporting category, that is ridiculous, The Producers got semi crappy reviews and is not doing well at the box office. Don't let the Golden Globes fool you into anything. Remember, the Globes nominated POTO and how far did that get?
"Who doesn't hate teens that are obnoxious" - A.P.
#33
Posted: 12/28/05 at 8:42pm
Bill you write : "I dislike movies that teach us lessons and stuff, which a lot of the movies that came out this year are doing (Crash, Syriana, Goodnight)" My God that is the saddest statement ive heard all day - all week - you should be banned from seeing movies period.
"Who doesn't hate teens that are obnoxious" - A.P.
#34
Posted: 12/28/05 at 8:47pm
There is not one studio out there that can top Miramax in promoting and pushing their films down voters throats until they check the boxes with the movies from Miramax. The Weinstein Brothers are quite brilliant in this way.
"Who doesn't hate teens that are obnoxious" - A.P.
#35
Posted: 12/28/05 at 11:14pm
I'm sorry but The Producers is probably one of the stagiest musical films in years. It felt like it was a play at points, the performances were a little too over-the-top for the screen, and actors singing directly to the camera didn't really seem to work. So Stroman does not deserve any sort of directing nominations, look at what Rob Marshall did with Chicago, that is a good director.
As far as nominations for Rent or The Producers, I doubt either will get any major nods just because of the films with major buzz that have been coming out these past three months or so. I believe from Rent, the only one that has the slightest chance to get a nod is Rosario Dawson. From The Producers, I doubt anyone will get a nomination, perhaps Lane or Thurman, hopefully not Ferrel, I still can't get over the fact he got a Golden Globe nod.
As far as nominations for Rent or The Producers, I doubt either will get any major nods just because of the films with major buzz that have been coming out these past three months or so. I believe from Rent, the only one that has the slightest chance to get a nod is Rosario Dawson. From The Producers, I doubt anyone will get a nomination, perhaps Lane or Thurman, hopefully not Ferrel, I still can't get over the fact he got a Golden Globe nod.
"Some people can thrive and bloom living life in a living room, that's perfect for some people of one hundred and five. But I at least gotta try, when I think of all the sights that I gotta see, all the places I gotta play, all the things that I gotta be at"
#36
Posted: 12/29/05 at 11:25am
Isn't that the point of the characters in the story!? Look at Zero Maestel and Gene Wilder they are larger than life. That is the point. Nathan Lane should win the Golden Globe and an Oscar Nod for just the "Betrayed" point of the film, he played the part with such Gusto! I think that Gary Beach and Roger Bart should have had Supporting Nods instead of Will Farrell. They were a lot funnier than him.
As to Rent, I felt that all the performances were dead on! Adam Pascal should have gotten a nod for Best Actor in a Comedy.
As to Rent, I felt that all the performances were dead on! Adam Pascal should have gotten a nod for Best Actor in a Comedy.
"Love the Art in Yourself. Not Yourself in the Art." -- Stanislavski
#37
Posted: 12/29/05 at 12:59pm
Most likely nods:
Original Song
Art Direction
Costume Design
Adapted Screenplay
Hopefully will get nods:
Supporting Actor- Gary Beach
Best Actor- Nathan Lane
No chance:
Best Picture
Best Actor-Matthew Broderick (BORING)
Best Supporting Actress-Uma Thurman (TALENTLESS)
Best Suporting Actor-Will Ferrell
Best Director (Again, BORING)
Anything's possible but, those are my predictions.
Original Song
Art Direction
Costume Design
Adapted Screenplay
Hopefully will get nods:
Supporting Actor- Gary Beach
Best Actor- Nathan Lane
No chance:
Best Picture
Best Actor-Matthew Broderick (BORING)
Best Supporting Actress-Uma Thurman (TALENTLESS)
Best Suporting Actor-Will Ferrell
Best Director (Again, BORING)
Anything's possible but, those are my predictions.
#38
Posted: 12/29/05 at 1:40pm
"Isn't that the point of the characters in the story!? Look at Zero Maestel and Gene Wilder they are larger than life. That is the point. Nathan Lane should win the Golden Globe and an Oscar Nod for just the "Betrayed" point of the film, he played the part with such Gusto! I think that Gary Beach and Roger Bart should have had Supporting Nods instead of Will Farrell. They were a lot funnier than him."
Completely agree with you! This is FARCE, comedy, MEL BROOKS for God's sakes! Its SUPPOSED to be over the top and cartoon-ish--all well accomplished! I also agree with Beach and Bart over Farrell for Supporting Actor nods. Farrell was quite good, but Gary Beach and Roger Bart were GREAT!!!
Completely agree with you! This is FARCE, comedy, MEL BROOKS for God's sakes! Its SUPPOSED to be over the top and cartoon-ish--all well accomplished! I also agree with Beach and Bart over Farrell for Supporting Actor nods. Farrell was quite good, but Gary Beach and Roger Bart were GREAT!!!
"You ask four guys, you get four different versions" ~ Tommy DeVito, Jersey Boys
#39
Posted: 12/29/05 at 2:43pm
Dear Obnoxious,
I wasn't being all that serious. But I do dislike watching some stuff that supposedly "matters." I think when you move your "Messages" from films you get better performances from actors. i.e. "Whatever Happened to Baby Jane," no messages, no attempts to teach anything, just great acting. But I was giving an honest opinion, which I've been told never to do, since you get in trouble for it. But I understand completely your feelings of wanting to ban me from movies.
I wasn't being all that serious. But I do dislike watching some stuff that supposedly "matters." I think when you move your "Messages" from films you get better performances from actors. i.e. "Whatever Happened to Baby Jane," no messages, no attempts to teach anything, just great acting. But I was giving an honest opinion, which I've been told never to do, since you get in trouble for it. But I understand completely your feelings of wanting to ban me from movies.
#40
Posted: 12/29/05 at 7:19pm
Bill Mobley, im a filmmaker myself, and your use of the word "messages" is very vague, every narrative has an underlying message, regardless what genre of film it is.
"Who doesn't hate teens that are obnoxious" - A.P.
#41
Posted: 12/29/05 at 8:38pm
I think the Globes will be the last major hurrah for THE PRODUCERS. I liked the movie and would love to see Gary Beach and Roger Bart score nominations. If they're lucky they'll get nods for Best Song and a couple of technical categories. Maybe Costume Design. It's rare for something so poorly reviewed to score at the Oscars.
#42
Posted: 12/29/05 at 9:42pm
Beach and Bart are over the top cliches--no laughs in the theater, just boredom, from what I could tell... The jokes are so old, so over; the play works because it has the advantage of being "live" and having the actors play with one another. Lane? Broderick? Like they had never been in a film before!
#43
Posted: 12/29/05 at 9:50pm
No boredom the two times I went this week, gymman--full houses, laughter and applause through out the entire movie, as well as after, and at today's showing, EVERYONE stayed until the very very end. (The other day most left when the credits started rolling).
And they are SUPPOSED to be "over the top cliches". The fake pigeons are over the top, the sparkle in Ulla's teeth are over the top, the facial expressions, AND the characters. This is Mel Brooks--campy, cartoon-type characters, who are HILARIOUS!
And they are SUPPOSED to be "over the top cliches". The fake pigeons are over the top, the sparkle in Ulla's teeth are over the top, the facial expressions, AND the characters. This is Mel Brooks--campy, cartoon-type characters, who are HILARIOUS!
"You ask four guys, you get four different versions" ~ Tommy DeVito, Jersey Boys
#44
Posted: 12/29/05 at 10:45pm
beachman no laughs in my theatre either, I'm a huge Rent fan and came to terms with the fact (as I walked out of the theatre opening morning) that this film is not award worthy. I felt doubly so when I walked out of the Producers. The Producers will not get any oscar noms with the possible exception of a pity O. Song nomination.
"Who doesn't hate teens that are obnoxious" - A.P.
#45
Posted: 12/29/05 at 11:02pm
I completely agree with jv92's predictions:
"Original Song
Art Direction
Costume Design
Adapted Screenplay"
Despite what my wishes, I think these are the only categories that The Producers could possibly get a nomination in.
"Original Song
Art Direction
Costume Design
Adapted Screenplay"
Despite what my wishes, I think these are the only categories that The Producers could possibly get a nomination in.
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#46
Posted: 12/29/05 at 11:09pm
Beach and Bart got huge roars of laugther in my theatre. The audience absolutely loved the film.
It also makes me laugh that the poster walked out the film, but they are predicting Oscar noms.
I feel like Yankeegirl is one of the few in this thread that understand the film and the style of Brooks. It's suppose to be over the top. What don't some of you get?
It also makes me laugh that the poster walked out the film, but they are predicting Oscar noms.
I feel like Yankeegirl is one of the few in this thread that understand the film and the style of Brooks. It's suppose to be over the top. What don't some of you get?
#47
Posted: 12/29/05 at 11:09pm
Beach and Bart got huge roars of laugther in my theatre. The audience absolutely loved the film.
It also makes me laugh that the poster walked out the film, but they are predicting Oscar noms.
I feel like Yankeegirl is one of the few in this thread that understand the film and the style of Brooks. It's suppose to be over the top. What don't some of you get?
It also makes me laugh that the poster walked out the film, but they are predicting Oscar noms.
I feel like Yankeegirl is one of the few in this thread that understand the film and the style of Brooks. It's suppose to be over the top. What don't some of you get?
#48
Posted: 12/29/05 at 11:20pm
Thanks ljay889. 
I feel bad that some folks don't seem to "get it" too. The film is SO much fun that I just want everyone to have the great time I had BOTH times I've gone (so far)!
I feel bad that some folks don't seem to "get it" too. The film is SO much fun that I just want everyone to have the great time I had BOTH times I've gone (so far)!
"You ask four guys, you get four different versions" ~ Tommy DeVito, Jersey Boys
Updated On: 12/29/05 at 11:20 PM
#49
Posted: 12/29/05 at 11:30pm
MY prediction is that:
Lane will be nominated for the Best Actor Oscar, but will not win, but will most likely win the Golden Globe.
Ferrell has a chance at a nomination, but i think he's more of a dark horse. Same goes for his chances of winning the Globe.
Thurman has a very slight chance at being nominated, but she wasn't nominated for a Golden Globe, and the competition hasn't exactly changed, so it's probably not looking good for her.
Same goes for Bart and Beach.
Screenplay, probably will be nominated.
Cinematography, definitely not.
Best original song, hopefully "There's Nothing...Broadway", but that's a stupid category anyway.
Stroman will not be nominated for Best Direction, too much criticism.
Best Picture...well...it does have some chance. If it wins the Golden Globe, then it will def. be nominated, if not, it will be much less likely.
Lane will be nominated for the Best Actor Oscar, but will not win, but will most likely win the Golden Globe.
Ferrell has a chance at a nomination, but i think he's more of a dark horse. Same goes for his chances of winning the Globe.
Thurman has a very slight chance at being nominated, but she wasn't nominated for a Golden Globe, and the competition hasn't exactly changed, so it's probably not looking good for her.
Same goes for Bart and Beach.
Screenplay, probably will be nominated.
Cinematography, definitely not.
Best original song, hopefully "There's Nothing...Broadway", but that's a stupid category anyway.
Stroman will not be nominated for Best Direction, too much criticism.
Best Picture...well...it does have some chance. If it wins the Golden Globe, then it will def. be nominated, if not, it will be much less likely.
#50
Posted: 12/30/05 at 10:44am
I think the only person WITH a real shot is Uma. The Supporting Actress category is weak, she was snubbed for both Kill Bills, she is certainly the biggest Hollywood name in the movie, she sings and dances (to what degree of proficiency is debatable) and she looks fantastic. Plus she gets that "I didn't know Uma could sing and dance" reaction. I was a little surprised with Ferrell's nom as well, but that is another category without a clear front-runner right now (though if you ask me, it's Jake Gyllenhaal.)
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