The Sweeney Todd Box Office Tracking thread — Page 7

It's Thursday, the slowest movie day of the week. Almost every movie dropped by about 15%.

The top four films are leagues ahead of everything behind them. everything between fifth and tenth place is so close that a shift between any of those positions is negligible and meaningless.

S&DMan, you've been telling us loudly and often since day four that you knew this was going to tank. While you might end up being correct in some of your opinions, you state the future like it's fact. And while you keep claiming that you hope it does well, It kinda feels like you're skipping around dropping little piles of I-told-you-so on us. Particularly when you insist that it will get no major awards and you haven't even seen it yet!

If I'm reading you incorrectly, I apologize.

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trust me you are reading me wrong im just stating my opinion and what (i thought) seemed common sense.

I did not want this film to fail at all, i LOVE sweeney and was so excited when i heard about the cast and director, in fact im practically wetting myself waiting to see it lol.

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Best12,

When are the Oscars? Mid-February? Phantom was in about 900 theatres in mid-February 2005. Dreamgirls was in 1000 theatres in mid-February 2007 but then it fell to 600 the next week.
I think it really comes down to the Golden Globes, to see where (ie, theatre count) the film will be at Oscar time.

Updated On: 12/28/07 at 08:54 PM

Phantom and Dreamgirls also had a lot better start than sweeney has had

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"Phantom and Dreamgirls also had a lot better start than sweeney has had"

Phantom didn't. I just posted that Phantom hadn't made what Sweeney had grossed as of yesterday until after the New Year.

"No one is saying it's "flopped."

Actually, Songanddanceman2 did say that exact thing.: "the simple fact is that its flopped"

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"I live on a little planet called Earth and there is no way this film did five million on Wednesday and Thursday - sorry, doesn't compute."
Can you provide any sort of reason as to why this does not compute? It was after the holiday, and a lot of adults had free time. The reason the 3 to 5 day cum went up only 4 million is because all of the movies dropped significantly on Christmas Eve, as they always do. Sweeney made 3 million on Christmas and only 1 million on Christmas Eve. The day after Christmas it made 2.7 million. How is this so hard to believe? Christmas and the day after are huge movie days. Christmas Eve is not. Do you really think movies make the same gross every day? Would you feel more comforted if it grossed 2.5 million each day, or increased each day by $500,000 increments? To me that would be suspicious.

"But, they'll post whatever figures they like."
Alas, the box office conspiracy theory again. So tiring. We really ought to shut this thread down then, since we are being given false info and any conclusions we can make are pointless.
Tell me BK, are you on message boards for I Am Legend, Alvin and the Chipmunks, and PS I Love You explaining to everyone how the box office reports for those movies are also wrong? Or is this conspiracy only isolated to Sweeney Todd? Just curious.

Every box office site has the total at 18 million as of Friday AM.
Every single movie in the top 10 made more money on 12/26 and 12/27 combined than on 12/24 and 12/25 combined.
AGAIN, how does it not compute? You call this a fact. You give no reasons. How can you say something does not compute but not have a reason other than "studios lie"? And if this is true, then you must apply it to ALL the movies, and revise all the titles down a few million.

Updated On: 12/29/07 at 12:57 AM

I've never been one to think much of the film grossing conspiracies. Yeah, probably studios inflate numbers, but if they do it for one film, they probably do it for all their films, so it probably all washes out in the end.

I do agree that in this day and age where so many people watch the daily numbers it would be pretty hard to get away with going back and changing existing figures.

The day after Christmas is traditionally one of the most popular days at the movies of the entire year. I actually decided not to see JUNO on Thursday when I saw the line at the local cineplex box office was about 40 people deep.

And moves that are not yet on DVD that get Best Picture nominations, routinely get pushed back into movie theatres or receive a large bump in the numbers of screens they play on.

In that regard, it doesn't really matter how many theatres or what legs SWEENEY has until February - if it gets a Best Picture nomination, Warner Brothers will increase its screen count.

Unless you have people from every market sampling telling you what the size of the film audiences have been when they've seen a movie, basing gross on 'word of mouth estimates' of the number of people at each screening is meaningless.

Five people on BWW saying they had fifty people at their Christmas Eve matinee screening means nothing. Now, if you were able to get an accurate poll from those fifty people and be able to include details like: was the movie playing on multiple screens, was it in an area like Los Angeles where the movie might be in four different theatres in a five mile radius, did the theatre had four screenings a day or three, etc. - then you might be able to come up with some workable statistic.

But word of mouth guess-timates aren't evidence enough to tell anything.

Updated On: 12/29/07 at 02:18 AM

Oh, the usual Internet twaddle begins. Y'all keep checking those box-office sites every hour of every day, for whatever weird pleasure that seems to give you. And I'll just keep taking notice of a major theater like the Arclight downsizing Sweeney to one screen from two. Why do you suppose they did that? Hmmm. Let's think. But, I leave all the armchair experts to predict what they will and to babble on as if they know something. I tell you - for the old days when the Internet didn't exist and people didn't give a damn about grosses - they just went to see things, enjoyed them or not, and the grosses were the province of people in the business who had a reason for caring. Now it's this game with all these online sites instead of just the trades reporting. Given the number of errors online sites make every single day (the IMDB being a prime example), why people just assume all this information is correct is anyone's guess. It's like people reading something on Wikipedia and assuming because they read it it somehow is factual. It is to wonder.

And aeb, old stick, your arriving two days ago and posting only in this thread and the other Sweeney thread tells me all I need to know about your deal - I think it's painfully obvious with an emphasis on the painfully.

I'm sorry that some people are interested in movies and look at box office grosses. If it makes you feel better, know that I am interested in all aspects of film making, not just that. We are going back and forth with you not because we are box office freaks but because you are making these claims that cannot be backed up at all. It seems like everyone on the Internet wants to be heard, but very few care if they are heard saying something intelligent.
And as for this:
"Given the number of errors online sites make every single day (the IMDB being a prime example), why people just assume all this information is correct is anyone's guess. It's like people reading something on Wikipedia and assuming because they read it it somehow is factual. It is to wonder."
Yes, that is the risk of any Internet info. But do you understand that Variety, CNN, and so on also report grosses every week? These are official and reputable news sources. Their reported grosses have been the same thus far as the grosses reported on the sites I listed above.

Updated On: 12/29/07 at 09:41 AM