Times when the Tonys didn't follow a precedent set by the Oliviers and vice versa.
Times when the Tonys didn't follow a precedent set by the Oliviers and vice versa.
#1Times when the Tonys didn't follow a precedent set by the Oliviers and vice versa.
Posted: 8/22/15 at 4:52pm
what nominations/wins stick out where the Tonys and Oliviers didn't follow eachother?
Howard Shore
Understudy Joined: 8/19/15
#2Times when the Tonys didn't follow a precedent set by the Oliviers and vice versa.
Posted: 8/22/15 at 4:56pm
Call_me_jorge said: "what nominations/wins stick out where the Tonys and Oliviers didn't follow eachother?
LEGALLY BLONDE
Kristin Scott Thomas - The Seagull
Enron
Wicked to a certain extent
Updated On: 8/22/15 at 04:56 PM
#3Times when the Tonys didn't follow a precedent set by the Oliviers and vice versa.
Posted: 8/22/15 at 5:11pm
The Oliviers are just plain weird sometimes. Sunny Afternoon, Jerry Springer, Kat and the Kings over Rent, Return to the Forbidden Planet, Me and My Girl over Les Mis...
Howard Shore
Understudy Joined: 8/19/15
#4Times when the Tonys didn't follow a precedent set by the Oliviers and vice versa.
Posted: 8/22/15 at 5:15pm
hork said: "The Oliviers are just plain weird sometimes. Sunny Afternoon, Jerry Springer, Kat and the Kings over Rent, Return to the Forbidden Planet, Me and My Girl over Les Mis...
Jerry Springer was actually good
but yes they are very weird
Updated On: 8/22/15 at 05:15 PM
#5Times when the Tonys didn't follow a precedent set by the Oliviers and vice versa.
Posted: 8/22/15 at 6:19pm
Buddy - The Buddy Holly Story
Olivier Award Nominations: 2 (including Best New Musical)
Tony Award Nominations: Only One for Lead Actor in a Musical.
Beauty & the Beast
Tony Award Nominations: 9 (including Best Musical), only took home Costume Design.
Olivier Award Nominations: 3 (including Best New Musical, which was the only award they ended up winning)
Caroline, or Change
Tony Award Nominations: 6 (including Best Musical)
Olivier Award Nominations: Only One for Best New Musical, which it ended up winning.
Hairspray
Tony Awards: 8 (including Best Musical)
Olivier Awards 4 (including Best New Musical and Best Supporting Role in a Musical for Tracie Bennett as Velma Von Tussle, which Linda Hart wasn't even Tony nominated for)
Jersey Boys
Tony Awards: 4 (including Best Musical)
Olivier Awards: Only One for Best New Musical.
Priscilla, Queen of the Desert
Olivier Award Nominations: 3 (including Best New Musical)
Tony Award Nominations: 2 (none for Best Musical)
Ghost
Olivier Award Nominations: 5 (including Best New Musical)
Tony Award Nominations: 3 (none for Best Musical)
Matilda
Oliver Awards: 7 (including Best New Musical and Best Actress in a Musical for the four girls sharing the title role)
Tony Awards: 4 (none for Best Musical), and the four girls sharing the title role were given a Special Tony Award.
Once
Tony Awards: 8 (including Best Musical and Lead Actor for Steve Kazee)
Olivier Awards: 2 (including Best Actress for Zrinka Cvitesic), but none for Best New Musical.
Memphis
Tony Awards: 4 (including Best Musical)
Olivier Awards: 2 (none for Best New Musical), and the people who did win were for areas that weren't recognized by the Tony nominators (Choreography and Sound Design).
Howard Shore
Understudy Joined: 8/19/15
#6Times when the Tonys didn't follow a precedent set by the Oliviers and vice versa.
Posted: 8/22/15 at 6:43pm
Jeffery but in once's case it was nominated for an Olivier award and was up against BOM. I think the awards and nominations for both were very similar.
bwaylyric
Broadway Legend Joined: 10/22/03
#7Times when the Tonys didn't follow a precedent set by the Oliviers and vice versa.
Posted: 8/22/15 at 11:52pm
I wanna know if the Tonys and Oliviers had the same exact nominations in any given year, how often would the winners match? Would the Oliviers pick An American in Paris over Fun Home? Kinky Boots or Matilda? Avenue Q or Wicked?
#8Times when the Tonys didn't follow a precedent set by the Oliviers and vice versa.
Posted: 8/23/15 at 1:34am
bwaylyric said: "I wanna know if the Tonys and Oliviers had the same exact nominations in any given year, how often would the winners match? Would the Oliviers pick An American in Paris over Fun Home? Kinky Boots or Matilda? Avenue Q or Wicked?"
Wow, that's a really good question, I wonder about that too. I just took a look through the wiki page for the Olivier awards, and Caroline, or Change beat Avenue Q when they were both nominated in 2007 (the other 2 shows were Spamalot and Porgy and Bess).
#9Times when the Tonys didn't follow a precedent set by the Oliviers and vice versa.
Posted: 8/23/15 at 2:35am
As it should have over here. Avenue Q was cute, imaginative, sweet, and had a wonderful little heart. Caroline, or Change was groundbreaking, gorgeous, and heartwrenching. Caroline (and Tonya) deserved that Tony.
#10Times when the Tonys didn't follow a precedent set by the Oliviers and vice versa.
Posted: 8/23/15 at 2:52am
I saw neither, unfortunately (due to my age at the time) but the recording of AQ was a favorite of mine for several years (though I grew a little tired of it) whereas C,oC I never grew attached to but I thought maybe I was too young for it. Now as an adult I've grown to appreciate Caroline and it's depth and have listened to it several times. I think Jeanine Tesori is so talented and as a huge fan of Angels in America I was delighted that Tony Kushner is also a terrific lyricist.
Also, that question about Avenue Q vs. Wicked that was originally posed would be moot because Wicked was never nominated for the Olivier for Best New Musical. Boo-hoo for them.
#11Times when the Tonys didn't follow a precedent set by the Oliviers and vice versa.
Posted: 8/23/15 at 7:49am
WICKED
For Broadway, it had 10 nominations, including Best Musical & 3 wins for Idina, Best Costume Design & Best Scenic Design.
For West End, only 4 nominations for Costume, Scenic, Lighting, & Director. No Best Musical nor Leading Actress for Idina.
dramamama611
Broadway Legend Joined: 12/4/07
#12Times when the Tonys didn't follow a precedent set by the Oliviers and vice versa.
Posted: 8/23/15 at 8:40am
A nomination from an organization does not set a precedent. It's an opinion, a choice.
Additionally, you are trying to compare apples to oranges. Different companies, different actors, often different directors and sometimes different set/costume design - not to mention the show across the pond are being considered against different seasons.
If it's a precedent, then the performance does really matter, just that you were lucky enough to get cast.
KathyNYC2
Broadway Legend Joined: 12/2/10
#13Times when the Tonys didn't follow a precedent set by the Oliviers and vice versa.
Posted: 8/23/15 at 10:48am
I totally agree. The only way you can really compare this is if they were opening at the same time with the same opposing shows to be nominated against with the same cast...which is impossible, Otherwise, it's just a bit of a fluke.
One show that wins just about everything at either B'way or West End - may have had little competition that same year so of course they win a lot. While during a fabulous year, two or more shows are equally deserving but only one can win. An award is a great honor regardless, but when comparing year to year, it does not necessarily mean much..and certainly comparing two shows being presented in two entirely different situations does really make too much sense to me.
dramamama611
Broadway Legend Joined: 12/4/07
#14Times when the Tonys didn't follow a precedent set by the Oliviers and vice versa.
Posted: 8/23/15 at 10:52am
Additionally, there are different nominators with different tastes coming from different cultures.
dramamama611
Broadway Legend Joined: 12/4/07
#15Times when the Tonys didn't follow a precedent set by the Oliviers and vice versa.
Posted: 8/23/15 at 10:52am
Additionally, there are different nominators with different tastes coming from different cultures.
#16Times when the Tonys didn't follow a precedent set by the Oliviers and vice versa.
Posted: 8/23/15 at 11:43am
The most interesting case to me was LEGALLY BLONDE, which had the same director and physical production as the Broadway production felt like a totally different show in the West End. It was pure magic in the West End -- I think partly because of casting (Sheridan Smith was brill) and partly because the tone felt more like a satire and not just something spun up for a bubble gum MTV tourist crowd.
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