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#76

Minetta Madness?

Posted: 8/4/11 at 1:47pm

That's hyper-sensitive and reading something into it that isn't there.

No, it's not. That phrase is part of a list of things that are all clearly meant to be negative things about the play and Tony Georges, and, as others have said, it's pretty much always used by anti-gay people.

#77

Minetta Madness?

Posted: 8/4/11 at 1:49pm

Wow.

#78

Minetta Madness?

Posted: 8/4/11 at 1:51pm

Yes, RT, I see those as descriptive and not offensive.

The point is that the phrase "promotes homosexuality" is always attributed to someone who is anti-gay. It's not a phrase someone who is pro-gay (or neutral) would use in a non-facetious way. The author of the anti-Georges website uses it, so that's legitimate evidence that he's anti-gay. (Or, perhaps more likely, pandering to anti-gay people.)

#79

Minetta Madness?

Posted: 8/4/11 at 1:52pm

And how do you handwave a pm calling me a "stupid submissive [d!cksvcking] queen" , nomdeplume? Or "idiot". Or "A$$hole", or "whore" or any of the other the names this young man has flung @ me for merely questioning his motives? Look over his history. I've been helpful if questioning until this latest thread, and received nothing but abuse in return.

It would be nice to check his facts, but he only links to his tinfoil hat-style website, and web searches turn up very little.

This will all be moot soon, no doubt. Sounds like the play is a dog, and the Minetta as been in trouble for years. The show will close, and life will move on. Whatever the facts of this case, it's a tempest in a teapot, of the he said/she said variety. Sue me for not automatically believing every word Robbie says when he offers little but repetitive vitriol.

#80

Minetta Madness?

Posted: 8/4/11 at 1:54pm

Leave it to nomdeplume to take this madness to the next level of crazy.

"...everyone finally shut up, and the audience could enjoy the beginning of the Anatevka Pogram in peace."

#81

Minetta Madness?

Posted: 8/4/11 at 1:55pm

Well, ghostlight, at least we have his assurance that he's "not angry."

#82

Minetta Madness?

Posted: 8/4/11 at 2:00pm

The gift that keeps on giving......

....but the world goes 'round

#83

Minetta Madness?

Posted: 8/4/11 at 2:00pm

The gift that keeps on giving......

....but the world goes 'round

#84

Minetta Madness?

Posted: 8/4/11 at 2:00pm

I think we need to see the PMs, ghostlight. Time to post 'em!

#85

Minetta Madness?

Posted: 8/4/11 at 2:03pm

I have removed "promotes homosexuality" from the website.

The comment "It makes fun of religion, divorce, alcohol abuse and promotes homosexuality" cam from an email I received from someone "working on the show." This was back when the show was about four hours long. In a follow-up email I was told "the Son was supposed to come out, but that was cut."

I think Travis (on his Blog) made it clear there are no references to homosexuality in the current version of the play. We can all be thankful there are no gays in this show because this it is about misery and the pathetic existence of a group of competing losers - we don't need "gay" in that crowd.

Again, I apologize if anyone misinterpreted my remarks as homophobic.

TO GhostLight2: Lighten up. I am all about promoting gay, living an out an open life and that's one of the main reasons I am in LA. I think the various crew members who have signed up to endorse their boss and sing his virtues are being rather "submissive." It's in their best interest to find out the truth by confronting Tony. I believe several of them are because one cast member sent an email requesting copies of the information we have gathered.

If I have offended you, I am sorry.

#86

Minetta Madness?

Posted: 8/4/11 at 2:04pm

I just want to butt in and say that I, for one, just LOVE "stupid submissive [d!cksvcking] queens"

#87

Minetta Madness?

Posted: 8/4/11 at 2:06pm

Thanks, Joe!

"Carson has combined his passion for helping children with his love for one of Cincinnati's favorite past times - cornhole - to create a unique and exciting event perfect for a corporate outing, entertaining clients or family fun."

"In Oz, the verb is douchifizzation." PRS

#88

Minetta Madness?

Posted: 8/4/11 at 2:06pm

Yeah, lighten up, ghostlight! Who on earth could be offended by being called those names?

#89

Minetta Madness?

Posted: 8/4/11 at 2:11pm

Know what will make you feel better? Posting the PM!

#90

Minetta Madness?

Posted: 8/4/11 at 2:16pm

Guess what, nom? You don't get to decide whether or not something is homophobic. The way I don't get to decide that calling you a See You Next Tuesday isn't misogynistic, but merely a service I performing for the community.

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#91

Minetta Madness?

Posted: 8/4/11 at 2:17pm

Stupid Submissive D!cksvcking Queen was my favorite Abba song

#92

Minetta Madness?

Posted: 8/4/11 at 2:19pm

I don't like nasty PMs sent to anyone, especially explicit ones.

#93

Minetta Madness?

Posted: 8/4/11 at 2:24pm

Go ahead and post the PMs ghostlight2 - post my responses, too.

Anyone interested will see that you have misrepresented my comments to you and taken them out of context.

In those PMs I also apologized if I offended you. It was intended as a private response to you - you sent the first PM, but publish them if you want.

#94

Minetta Madness?

Posted: 8/4/11 at 2:33pm

Reading posted PMs makes everything better! They are like enemas that way.

#95

Minetta Madness?

Posted: 8/4/11 at 2:36pm

Make sure you have the right grade of maple syrup in that enema or it won't work right.

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#96

Minetta Madness?

Posted: 8/4/11 at 2:36pm

So I gather from what Robbie just wrote, it was promotional material for the show emailed to him from someone working on the show?

And in this case the "promotes homosexuality" was not intended as a slur?

So I was correct? My intuition on it was right?

Thanks for jumping all over me guys, haha.

Even if I was correct, I would like to thank you all for alerting me that "promotes homosexuality" is taken as a buzzword for being anti-gay.

If you don't mind saying, Robbie, are you gay yourself?

#97

Minetta Madness?

Posted: 8/4/11 at 3:00pm

Yes, I am gay.

#98

Minetta Madness?

Posted: 8/4/11 at 3:02pm

It's the "submissive" part that really gets to me.

In a good way.

Feel free to PM me any time.

"What can you expect from a bunch of seitan worshippers?" - Reginald Tresilian

#99

Minetta Madness?

Posted: 8/4/11 at 3:05pm

Thank you, Robbie. I did not mean to out you if you weren't ready. I intuited it from all you wrote.

Okay all you guys, now kiss and make up.

Then you can worship YOUR GODDESS,

Your

nomdeplume!

#100

Minetta Madness?

Posted: 8/4/11 at 3:25pm

I wouldn't get measured for your pedestal just yet, Nom. I still think you're misunderstanding the context of the statement. The phrase itself (which can be argued to be offensive or benign on its own) is included in a list of things describing the show. Where, or who, this list comes from is irrelevant. The point is the context in which this list is placed on the website. That context is that this list of things is what makes this show a terrible show you shouldn't support. So he's claiming that "promoting homosexuality" in a play is a reason not to support the play.

To me, that is homophobic, whether intentional or cause by sloppy copy/pasting. And it's also irrelevant whether or not this guy is gay. I know lots of gay guys who are homophobic. I think his taking the quote down is more of an acknowledgment that he pasted in haste and is removing the offensive words.

Art has a double face, of expression and illusion.

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