Wells Fargo apologizes — Page 2

I get both interpretations, though I personally think the ad encouraging football fans to check their phones during a ballet/theatre show was a bit worse. Anyway, no one will be fired over these ads. I wish half the Hasbro and big toy industry executives responsible for banning female action figures had been fired, but that didn't happen either.

This would have been a better balanced ad if it included something like "football star quarterback yesterday, chemist tomorrow" or whatever.

Poorly conceived and executed. The always have a backup plan message applies to all careers, so why they concentrated on the arts baffles me.

My feeling is that the ad got out there, no apology can take it back.

"There's a big push to get kids - particularly girls and minorities - into STEM (Science Technology Engineering Math) programs. The Arts aren't seen as a good investment."



Well, it depends on what "arts" are being taught, and equally, what are being passed off as "good." Is it Shakespeare or Hamilton? Keats or comic books? Masterpieces of music and art or items from contemporary "pop culture?" What language is being deemed as appropriate? You have only to listen to how young people express themselves to know the answer to that! What "history" is being taught? What, ahem, "values?" Well, it's better not even to think about that! But then, we don't have to. We know only too well.

So really, in light of what our "education" has become, I think that STEM is a good way to go. At least the pure sciences can't be corrupted the way the arts and social sciences can -- well, at least not yet! Though you can bet it's not for want of trying!

And from a theatregoing perspective, there's no question that a lecture on botany would be far more interesting, enriching, and worthwhile than sitting through wretched plays like The Flick, Hand to God, and The Humans that win raves and awards galore.

newintown said: "Seeing how the vast, VAST majority of individuals who attempt a career as a performing artist eventually transition into another field, I'd say there's nothing actually bad about the ad at all. As a matter of fact, I see it as a celebration of the wealth of opportunities that exist"

So instead of encouraging kids to follow their dreams (and perhaps natural inclinations and talents), you think it's better to discourage them and chase them away sooner?

newintown said: "Engage in logical fallacies all you wish, but I said nothing of the kind. Not that you seem to be paying much attention to what people actually say, so much as hear what you want to hear..."



You said you see "nothing actually bad about the ad at all." The ad shows teenagers (not adults, not college students, teenagers), moving on from the arts (today). Whatever the intended message was, that part is pretty clear-cut.

Updated On: 9/6/16 at 12:36 PM

By showing them "moving on" in a positive light, the ad is directly encouraging moving on specifically from the arts to STEM as a good thing, and thus implying that the arts are a bad thing that should be "moved on" from. Seems pretty clear to me. Not hyperbolic at all.

"Considering that a lot of interviews with established actors that hammer home how hard and unforgiving the industry is, and a popular maxim is "if you can do anything else, you should," I think this was all a bit of a tempest in a teapot."

Perfectly stated, and a very difficult message for many to hear, particularly those who have been raised to believe that life is all candy, rainbows, and unicorns, along with other damaging lies ("you can be anything you can imagine," "do what you love and the money will follow," etc., etc., etc.).

"Getting bent out of shape over the prospect that people who may pursue a career in the arts may very likely end up doing something else is equally as harmful. It stigmatizes the notion of shifting careers."

I know two former dancers (one ballet, one theatre), who both transitioned from working in the arts to becoming doctors, and they both have mentioned how much they hear (from well-meaning people), "how wonderful to be a doctor, but it's sad you had to give up your dream."

$350 million = Tom Hanks

Awful and unethical bank. Switch to Chase.

Over 5000 (ex)employees were already sacked due to the fraud, which is 100% unrelated to the marketing department in the original topic. There is no "hmmm" involved.