#1
Posted: 1/14/06 at 3:41pm
This has been bothering me for years. Why is there a freaking electric guitar in 1929? I start to like the score and then that stupid guitar comes in. Ugh.
Why is there an Electric Guitar in Lippa's WIld Party?
#2
Posted: 1/14/06 at 3:47pm
I looked up the history of the electric guitar and they did start to appear in the 20's and 30's so it's not that off base, still it seems way too modern for what these characters would have been listening to.
LaChiusa's score is just so accurate to the period, that I find it hard to get through Lippa's version.
LaChiusa's score is just so accurate to the period, that I find it hard to get through Lippa's version.
Updated On: 1/14/06 at 03:47 PM
#3
Posted: 1/14/06 at 4:27pm
Literally, I have no real answer to this, but in my opinion, what I enjoy about the Lippa Wild party is that he ingeniously attempted to blend the musical style of the 20's and the musical stylings of more modern times. like "out of the blue" when you hear it out of context, it sounds to me like it could be a cover song of some unknown trunk song from the 30's. but all the orchestrations and stylings work to modernize the old style score with a contemporary flavor. sometimes it worked, and sometimes it didn't. but I take the score as a blending of two time periods and that's what I really like about it. when thought about from that angle, the guitar may not be that bothersome.
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Updated On: 1/14/06 at 04:27 PM
#4
Posted: 1/14/06 at 4:49pm
The guitar happens once or twice...it does feel out of place (not only time-wise) but just as part of the orchestrations.
#5
Posted: 1/14/06 at 4:53pm
Yeah it's always bothered me. It exsisted but not in the sense that it is used. The way it's used is very rock and roll which hadn't appeared yet. I actually think the rest of the orchestrastion is pretty period.
#6
Posted: 1/14/06 at 4:53pm
Yeah it's always bothered me. It exsisted but not in the sense that it is used. The way it's used is very rock and roll which hadn't appeared yet. I actually think the rest of the orchestrastion is pretty period.
#7
Posted: 1/14/06 at 5:35pm
It was Lippa's choice to use the more modern approach while telling his story. It's a modern way of telling an old tale.
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#8
Posted: 1/14/06 at 5:43pm
It seems lazy to me...
#9
Posted: 1/14/06 at 5:45pm
But the guitar adds NOTHING. And annoys me because it comes out of no where, almost.
#10
Posted: 1/14/06 at 5:46pm
Lots of things annoy you BSO, that doesn't make them annoying. It probably means that they're normal.
#11
Posted: 1/14/06 at 5:56pm
I love Lippa's score, I think its genius. I like that he didn't go the normal route and make the score all "20s" sounding. Instead, he tried to modernize it, so its got a little edge to it. I love his score. I'm not trying bash LaChiusa's, but I really like Lippa's. I dont find it boring at all. It takes a great composer to make some of those beautiful melodies. And the cast sings them so beautifuly and brillantly.
#12
Posted: 1/14/06 at 5:59pm
I really don't understand the whole problem with having a "rock" musical in the 20s.
People didn't break out into song back then, so how the hell would we even know what music they would be using!?
People didn't break out into song back then, so how the hell would we even know what music they would be using!?
#13
Posted: 1/14/06 at 6:08pm
I actually really like the use of the electric guitar -he wasn't trying to be "legit" and make it all strictly 20's, but he was able to weave a 20's feel into music that was very modern. I think it's very interesting as a storytelling tool, and I think the guitar definitely adds to the score.
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#14
Posted: 1/14/06 at 6:13pm
But he doesn't USE it for anything...that's my quip.
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E_S - Only bad things annoy me.
#15
Posted: 1/14/06 at 6:17pm
sure he does. I think in the "dance the juggarnaut" sequence that when the guitar comes in, it adds a gritty sexuality that really benefits the piece. some people may see you could play the same riff on a brass instrument, but it doesn't have the same effect an electrical instrument has.
so, in summation, One of it's purposes is to add a very sexual vibe to the show, IMO.
so, in summation, One of it's purposes is to add a very sexual vibe to the show, IMO.
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Updated On: 1/14/06 at 06:17 PM
#16
Posted: 1/14/06 at 6:20pm
LaChiusa got plenty of sexual vibe AND kept it in the time period without electric guitars.
You may need talent to combine two styles, but it also takes talent to write in a completely "past" style the whole way through...ie: to keep his whole piece in the 1920's while writing it in the 1990's.
You may need talent to combine two styles, but it also takes talent to write in a completely "past" style the whole way through...ie: to keep his whole piece in the 1920's while writing it in the 1990's.
#17
Posted: 1/14/06 at 6:24pm
I like LaChiusa, but I definitely prefer Lippa's Wild Party.
But to each his own.
But to each his own.
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#18
Posted: 1/14/06 at 7:22pm
It wouldn't have been a big deal if he used the guitar throughout and modernized it throughout. The problem is the guitar is in like 2 places. The rest of the orchestrations are pretty period. The modernity of the piece comes with the performers and the style of the writing itself, not the orchestration. A few guitar licks doesn't make it very modern. i think it is "all 20's sounding actually".
#19
Posted: 1/14/06 at 7:25pm
Thank you, Jazzy.
That's what I was saying.
That's what I was saying.
#20
Posted: 1/14/06 at 9:41pm
Did he do his own orchestrations?
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#21
Posted: 1/14/06 at 9:42pm
Good question.
#22
Posted: 1/15/06 at 9:20pm
I've assumed that the shocking use of modern electric guitar fits in with the shocking behavior of the party-goers who are really on the edge for 1928, if not still.
By the way, I much prefer listening to the LaChiusa score, may Idina forgive me. lol
Mark
By the way, I much prefer listening to the LaChiusa score, may Idina forgive me. lol
Mark
Updated On: 1/16/06 at 09:20 PM
#23
Posted: 1/15/06 at 10:01pm
I don't like the electric guitar in the recent revival of 42nd STREET. It stands out like a sore thumb at about 4 mins 45 secs into the title number.
#24
Posted: 1/19/06 at 5:56pm
I didn't think of this a few days ago, but it just occurred to me that Les Misérable also has blaringly obvious electric guitar in its score...what do we all think of that?
#25
Posted: 1/19/06 at 6:02pm
Les Mis is a rock opera. READ: rock. When B&S were first slated for the to turn the legendary novel into a musical, many expressed concern, as the two were mainly known for their rock style.
Depending on the many different versions (and therefore orchestrations) sometimes there is a heavy rock nuance in the drums - or guitars...etc.
The piece is obviously NOT connected to late 19th century France.
Lippa's, on the other hand, has too much "'20's" music style to be a mix of "contemporary" as well.
The score itself never truly find itself. Each song seems to have its own "mix"....just the mix of styles is never balanced in the whole piece.
Depending on the many different versions (and therefore orchestrations) sometimes there is a heavy rock nuance in the drums - or guitars...etc.
The piece is obviously NOT connected to late 19th century France.
Lippa's, on the other hand, has too much "'20's" music style to be a mix of "contemporary" as well.
The score itself never truly find itself. Each song seems to have its own "mix"....just the mix of styles is never balanced in the whole piece.
Updated On: 1/19/06 at 06:02 PM
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