Wicked: "Eh" or "Ick?" — Page 2
#27
Posted: 8/24/04 at 2:06pm
more "eh" than "ick" ... i MUCH prefer the book... had the show been even a tiny bit closer to the book, i probably would have enjoyed it more... i enjoyed Mamma Mia better...
#28
Posted: 8/24/04 at 2:07pm
"It's not necessarily that we hate the show - I haven't even seen it yet - it's that we don't need 45 threads on it, while so many other shows in the history of theater go undiscussed, or barely so"
then discuss them, im sure people will be willing to.
Matt G, if any part of your story is true...i live in DC :)
I'm saying that why should overexposure give you a reason to hate a show? if you really liked it, it wouldn't matter. i can understand not liking the fans who claim to be broadway fans, but why take that out on Wicked? Wicked didn't put up any ads saying "GO SEE WICKED, AND THEN YOU'LL BE A REAL BROADWAY FAN!" or "GO SEE WICKED, THEN GO TALK ABOUT KRISTIN CHENOWETH'S PERSONAL LIFE!" people just really like it. why must there be something or someone to blame?
then discuss them, im sure people will be willing to.
Matt G, if any part of your story is true...i live in DC :)
I'm saying that why should overexposure give you a reason to hate a show? if you really liked it, it wouldn't matter. i can understand not liking the fans who claim to be broadway fans, but why take that out on Wicked? Wicked didn't put up any ads saying "GO SEE WICKED, AND THEN YOU'LL BE A REAL BROADWAY FAN!" or "GO SEE WICKED, THEN GO TALK ABOUT KRISTIN CHENOWETH'S PERSONAL LIFE!" people just really like it. why must there be something or someone to blame?
#29
Posted: 8/24/04 at 2:10pm
IF people say "Wicked is the best show on Broadway", and I go in with that expectation, I will hate it. Hate it. Because it's not even close.
But if people said that it was a nice show, I might have been less disappointed, and not expecting 'the best show on Broadway.'
But if people said that it was a nice show, I might have been less disappointed, and not expecting 'the best show on Broadway.'
#30
Posted: 8/24/04 at 2:12pm
for me, overexposure doesn't ruin the show, but it gets my expectations so high, that when i finally do see the show, i'd be disappointed... we saw wicked on halloween so my argument doesn't apply here... but i can tell you i have yet to see the movie ET...
my dislike of Wicked is that i expected it to be darker, like the book... i also expected the music to contribute much more atmosphere... not the pop sound we're so used to, but perhaps an otherworldly sound to the melodies...
i think most people here who hate the show is because of the fanaticism... you can SAY it doesn't exist but go back and look at all the Wicked threads, and see how personally people take the comments...
my dislike of Wicked is that i expected it to be darker, like the book... i also expected the music to contribute much more atmosphere... not the pop sound we're so used to, but perhaps an otherworldly sound to the melodies...
i think most people here who hate the show is because of the fanaticism... you can SAY it doesn't exist but go back and look at all the Wicked threads, and see how personally people take the comments...
Updated On: 8/24/04 at 02:12 PM
#31
Posted: 8/24/04 at 2:16pm
"IF people say "Wicked is the best show on Broadway", and I go in with that expectation, I will hate it. Hate it. Because it's not even close.
But if people said that it was a nice show, I might have been less disappointed, and not expecting 'the best show on Broadway."
People are allowed to have their own opinions about the show! If you had tickets for tomorrow night, and suddenly a lot of people said it was horrible, would you give them up? hopefully you'd go see it anyway, just to see for yourself. It's the same thing.
Brooklyn has released 4 songs, and TONS of people already have tickets. Because they've heard that it's great, so they want to go see for themselves. Maybe, to some people, Wicked is the best show on broadway. To me it is, and i've seen over 25 shows in the past 7 years.
But if people said that it was a nice show, I might have been less disappointed, and not expecting 'the best show on Broadway."
People are allowed to have their own opinions about the show! If you had tickets for tomorrow night, and suddenly a lot of people said it was horrible, would you give them up? hopefully you'd go see it anyway, just to see for yourself. It's the same thing.
Brooklyn has released 4 songs, and TONS of people already have tickets. Because they've heard that it's great, so they want to go see for themselves. Maybe, to some people, Wicked is the best show on broadway. To me it is, and i've seen over 25 shows in the past 7 years.
#32
Posted: 8/24/04 at 2:24pm
They've heard what's great? A production that hasn't been mounted yet? When I listened to the Brooklyn clip it didn't make me want to run out and buy a ticket. Just more bellowing, which is what seems to be what producers think people want to hear.
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#33
Posted: 8/24/04 at 2:26pm
Brooklyn previewed in denver. people have seen it.
#34
Posted: 8/24/04 at 2:33pm
Well, there was a production there 15 months ago. People in San Francisco reported on this board that "Wicked" was, (well, what else would anybody around here say, really?) "amazing" but when I saw it on November 1 of last year I was amazed that anbody could be amazed by it. I felt it was "eh." I felt the same way when I heard the "Brooklyn" clip. I'm sure the overenthusiasm for that show around here will have the same negative effect on people in due time. And there will be plenty of newly-registered members with screen names like "BrooklynEden1992" and "EdenRocks" and "Brookly4Ever" who will also regret those screen names after ten months have gone by, much like people who regret tattoos they thought they would love for the rest of their lives.
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#35
Posted: 8/24/04 at 2:36pm
yeah, i listened to them, too, and was just "eh"...
#36
Posted: 8/24/04 at 2:37pm
Ok, what is it with Idina? Yes, she's got a great voice and when she does Defying Gravity I get goosebumps (well, if she's not off key). But that woman can't act to save her life!! Does no one notice how wooden she is?!! Oh oh, is it because it's musical theatre, and then that's ok?
Updated On: 8/24/04 at 02:37 PM
#37
Posted: 8/24/04 at 2:39pm
You know what? I live in the UK so I have yet to see WICKED. However, I've got the CD and think some of the music is wonderful (some of it makes me go a bit "wha-?" but there are some great numbers in there, especially for women.). It is NOT musically the best show ever written. Musically there are many superior scores from writers like Sondheim, Lloyd-Webber, and Wildhorn. I'm not keen on "What Is This Feeling?" at all, though I will admit to loving "Defying Gravity", "Popular", "As Long As You're Mine" and "For Good". Lyrically as well, I think that it has weak points. For example, the repetition of the "wood" imagery in "For Good" has me wishing Schwartz could have ignored the whole rhyming thing for one verse.
Should the show get to London, I won't go in thinking it'll be the best show in the world - I hated the Wizard Of Oz so the fact that it's the prequel holds no enchantment for me, and I rate it on a level with Chitty Chitty Bang Bang (i.e. I will see it as entertainment only, rather than a show like Les Mis or Phantom which makes me think and is a lot darker). However, I must say that the obsessive tendencies of people who love/hate the show put me off it a little. No-one likes obsessive teeny-boppers. For a start, if I hear too much about something then I get bored of it. It no longer holds any fascination or interest for me. I'm only interested as long as I can find out more. When it would appear that all I'm going to find out is what Idina had for breakfast today then I'm completely turned off by the whole show. I don't want to see something that apparently turns its audience into obsessives who can think of nothing else and are unable to function rationally.
Plus, if we end up with teenies as obsessed with Elphie as they are with Eponine, I do NOT want to be sitting in the theatre with some 15 year-old (apologies to any sane and rational teens) sitting behind me trying (note that word) to sing along to "Defying Gravity". It's bad enough when I have to hear "On My Own" sung off-key in the Queens.
And yes, people are allowed to have their own opinions. But it appears from the majority of WICKED-obsessives on this board that those opinions are completely unquantified and literally consist of "WICKED is the best show in the world!". Any differing opinion is then shouted down, rather than trying to prove the positive. That is the sort of opinion I dislike - blinkered and unquantified. If people gave quantified, rational, balanced opinions (and there have been a few on this board) then I'd have no problem with people claiming WICKED is the best show they've ever seen. HOWEVER, I do have a problem with kiddies who've only ever actually seen or heard the one show claiming that it's the best thing ever written. If you're going to have such an extreme opinion, use it as an excuse to do more research so you have something to compare it to first.
Should the show get to London, I won't go in thinking it'll be the best show in the world - I hated the Wizard Of Oz so the fact that it's the prequel holds no enchantment for me, and I rate it on a level with Chitty Chitty Bang Bang (i.e. I will see it as entertainment only, rather than a show like Les Mis or Phantom which makes me think and is a lot darker). However, I must say that the obsessive tendencies of people who love/hate the show put me off it a little. No-one likes obsessive teeny-boppers. For a start, if I hear too much about something then I get bored of it. It no longer holds any fascination or interest for me. I'm only interested as long as I can find out more. When it would appear that all I'm going to find out is what Idina had for breakfast today then I'm completely turned off by the whole show. I don't want to see something that apparently turns its audience into obsessives who can think of nothing else and are unable to function rationally.
Plus, if we end up with teenies as obsessed with Elphie as they are with Eponine, I do NOT want to be sitting in the theatre with some 15 year-old (apologies to any sane and rational teens) sitting behind me trying (note that word) to sing along to "Defying Gravity". It's bad enough when I have to hear "On My Own" sung off-key in the Queens.
And yes, people are allowed to have their own opinions. But it appears from the majority of WICKED-obsessives on this board that those opinions are completely unquantified and literally consist of "WICKED is the best show in the world!". Any differing opinion is then shouted down, rather than trying to prove the positive. That is the sort of opinion I dislike - blinkered and unquantified. If people gave quantified, rational, balanced opinions (and there have been a few on this board) then I'd have no problem with people claiming WICKED is the best show they've ever seen. HOWEVER, I do have a problem with kiddies who've only ever actually seen or heard the one show claiming that it's the best thing ever written. If you're going to have such an extreme opinion, use it as an excuse to do more research so you have something to compare it to first.
#38
Posted: 8/24/04 at 2:41pm
T H A N K Y O U, InTheMoney!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
#39
Posted: 8/24/04 at 2:42pm
Timmy dreamed of seeing Eden in BROOKLYN, but unfortunately the hangnail he had was just too much. He passed away shortly after the show was written. His tombstone reads "TiMmYrOcKs luvs Brooklyn"
Can we take a moment of silence please.
Can we take a moment of silence please.
"Noah, someday we'll talk again. But there's things we'll never say. That sorrow deep inside you. It inside me, too. And it never go away. You be okay. You'll learn how to lose things..."
#40
Posted: 8/24/04 at 2:46pm
I liked it. I just did not like it as much as I thought I would.
But I did have a wonderful time.
Kristin and Idina made the show for me.
I Love the song "POPULAR" and "Defying Gravity"
But I did have a wonderful time.
Kristin and Idina made the show for me.
I Love the song "POPULAR" and "Defying Gravity"
#41
Posted: 8/24/04 at 2:46pm
the show is much different than the OBCR. Congrats, you have an opinion on the OBCR. Now don't say you like or you don't like the show until you've seen it.
also, to this person...
"Well, there was a production there 15 months ago. People in San Francisco reported on this board that "Wicked" was, (well, what else would anybody around here say, really?) "amazing" but when I saw it on November 1 of last year I was amazed that anbody could be amazed by it. I felt it was "eh." I felt the same way when I heard the "Brooklyn" clip. I'm sure the overenthusiasm for that show around here will have the same negative effect on people in due time. And there will be plenty of newly-registered members with screen names like "BrooklynEden1992" and "EdenRocks" and "Brookly4Ever" who will also regret those screen names after ten months have gone by, much like people who regret tattoos they thought they would love for the rest of their live"
You just proved to me that opinions are one's own and don't matter. So, what, you walked into the theatre thinking it was amazing because other people said so? and now it's not amazing because it wasn't as good as you expected? fine. When I see shows I seperate my opinion from others. for example, i HATED Movin' Out. I know many people love it but i don't see what's so good about it. However, I don't go around posting whenever I can that Movin' Out and all of its fans suck, and that Michael Cavanaugh (sp?) would sing if someone threw him a buck, and that the dancers in the show can dance but have no other talent, and that i'd rather hang myself than see it again, ETC.
also, to this person...
"Well, there was a production there 15 months ago. People in San Francisco reported on this board that "Wicked" was, (well, what else would anybody around here say, really?) "amazing" but when I saw it on November 1 of last year I was amazed that anbody could be amazed by it. I felt it was "eh." I felt the same way when I heard the "Brooklyn" clip. I'm sure the overenthusiasm for that show around here will have the same negative effect on people in due time. And there will be plenty of newly-registered members with screen names like "BrooklynEden1992" and "EdenRocks" and "Brookly4Ever" who will also regret those screen names after ten months have gone by, much like people who regret tattoos they thought they would love for the rest of their live"
You just proved to me that opinions are one's own and don't matter. So, what, you walked into the theatre thinking it was amazing because other people said so? and now it's not amazing because it wasn't as good as you expected? fine. When I see shows I seperate my opinion from others. for example, i HATED Movin' Out. I know many people love it but i don't see what's so good about it. However, I don't go around posting whenever I can that Movin' Out and all of its fans suck, and that Michael Cavanaugh (sp?) would sing if someone threw him a buck, and that the dancers in the show can dance but have no other talent, and that i'd rather hang myself than see it again, ETC.
#42
Posted: 8/24/04 at 2:48pm
uh-oh, someone's really taking this personally...
#43
Posted: 8/24/04 at 2:49pm
SH*T!
Now I can't stop thinking about "POPULAR"
It will drive me mad!
Now I can't stop thinking about "POPULAR"
It will drive me mad!
#44
Posted: 8/24/04 at 2:50pm
Sure, in some "ideal" la-la land we'd all form our opinions completely independently. (Ha!) But in real life, human beings are social animals, and our perceptions are always affected by others. And having a show, movie, or artist constantly shoved down my throat will adversely affect my opinion of it, something certain marketing companies and people should keep in mind.
#45
Posted: 8/24/04 at 2:50pm
* gasp *!!! Corine, said "s h i t" ... heh hehheh heh heh...
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Updated On: 8/24/04 at 02:50 PM
#46
Posted: 8/24/04 at 2:51pm
Corine, you'll never be allowed in the emerald city with such a filthy mouth.
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#47
Posted: 8/24/04 at 2:51pm
joeyjoe:
i'm just tired of seeing topics like "whats your favorite musical (can't be wicked!)"
or "favorite sad song (NOT DEFYING GRAVITY)"
btw, i don't think defying gravity is sad. ha.
i'm just tired of seeing topics like "whats your favorite musical (can't be wicked!)"
or "favorite sad song (NOT DEFYING GRAVITY)"
btw, i don't think defying gravity is sad. ha.
#48
Posted: 8/24/04 at 2:55pm
the amount of "i love wicked" and "wicked sucks b***s" threads on this board are disturbing. i understand the love threads a little more only because i believe the majority of these posters and "fanatics" are relatively young and/or new to theatre. hey, when i was that age we were all obsessed with rock bands and sports teams.... only the "odd" kids were into things like "phantom" and "les mis." so frankly, i think it's wonderful to see this new trend where kids aren't afraid to dump out all of their energies on something related to the arts.
as much as all of you out there would hate to admit it, it will be shows like "wicked" that help save the arts in our public schools. the more kids we have who are enthused with theatre and music, the more those drama and chorus classes will be filled. shows like "rent" and "wicked" and i'm crossing my fingers for "brooklyn," are making drama class cool again.
do i think "wicked" is the greatest show i've ever seen? no..... not by a long shot. it was very entertaining. the audience was the worst part of the show. i did enjoy it though...shows like "jekyll and hyde" and "titanic" were more of a let down to me than "wicked." i found "wicked" to be fun and glittery and full of energy... I WAS ENTERTAINED. and really folks, isn't that the point?
on another note, i seriously doubt any of you actors out there would turn down a part in "wicked" if it was offered to you. i know i wouldn't.... but then as someone who is constantly looking for the next job, i wouldn't have turned down a role in "carrie" either.
as much as all of you out there would hate to admit it, it will be shows like "wicked" that help save the arts in our public schools. the more kids we have who are enthused with theatre and music, the more those drama and chorus classes will be filled. shows like "rent" and "wicked" and i'm crossing my fingers for "brooklyn," are making drama class cool again.
do i think "wicked" is the greatest show i've ever seen? no..... not by a long shot. it was very entertaining. the audience was the worst part of the show. i did enjoy it though...shows like "jekyll and hyde" and "titanic" were more of a let down to me than "wicked." i found "wicked" to be fun and glittery and full of energy... I WAS ENTERTAINED. and really folks, isn't that the point?
on another note, i seriously doubt any of you actors out there would turn down a part in "wicked" if it was offered to you. i know i wouldn't.... but then as someone who is constantly looking for the next job, i wouldn't have turned down a role in "carrie" either.
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#49
Posted: 8/24/04 at 2:55pm
emutional, i'm kinda tired of those myself... i've learned to move past those opinions that aren't well-expressed and are merely cheerleading for a show such as "blah-blah is the best show ever" or "this show sucks" without any reasoning whatsoever to back it up... and there are one or two posters on here who's only opinion about shows is either "this show sucks" or "this show rocks ass"... i'm more inclined to laugh at those posts than take them or any subsequesnt posts by those seriously...
Updated On: 8/24/04 at 02:55 PM
#50
Posted: 8/24/04 at 2:56pm
Emutional, it's a defense mechanism. For months the response to every question on this board was 7:1 Wicked:Every Other Musical in History. To this day, the ratio is skewed, if not to the same extent. Banning Wicked responses is harsh, but it's also an encouragement for people to expand their horizons a tiny bit and put some thought into their answers instead of just reflexively bringing up their FAVRIT MOZIKAL EVR!!!111!
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