Just for FUN- Tony Awards minus Hamilton

[devonian.t]

Posted: 6/14/16 at 10:34am

Imagine Hamilton had not been this year's board-sweeper.  Who do you think would have won (ie who came second this year?)

Here are my winners:

Best Costume Design of a Musical
Gregg Barnes, Tuck Everlasting
Jeff Mahshie, She Loves Me
Ann Roth, Shuffle Along, Or the Making of the Musical Sensation of 1921 and All That Followed ***WINNER***

Best Scenic Design of a Musical
Es Devlin & Finn Ross, American Psycho
David Korins, Hamilton
Santo Loquasto, Shuffle Along, Or the Making of the Musical Sensation of 1921 and All That Followed
David Rockwell, She Loves Me ***WINNER***

Best Lighting Design of a Musical
Jules Fisher & Peggy Eisenhauer, Shuffle Along, Or the Making of the Musical Sensation of 1921 and All That Followed
Ben Stanton, Spring Awakening
Justin Townsend, American Psycho ***WINNER***

Best Performance by an Actress in a Featured Role in a Musical
Danielle Brooks, The Color Purple
Jane Krakowski, She Loves Me ***WINNER***
Jennifer Simard, Disaster!
Adrienne Warren, Shuffle Along, Or the Making of the Musical Sensation of 1921 and All That Followed

Best Performance by an Actor in a Featured Role in a Musical
Brandon Victor Dixon, Shuffle Along, Or the Making of the Musical Sensation of 1921 and All That Followed
Christopher Fitzgerald, Waitress ***WINNER***
Jonathan Groff, Hamilton
Christopher Jackson, Hamilton

Best Original Score (Music and/or Lyrics) Written for the Theatre
Bright Star - Music: Steve Martin and Edie Brickell, Lyrics: Edie Brickell
School of Rock-The Musical - Music: Andrew Lloyd Webber, Lyrics: Glenn Slater
Waitress - Music & Lyrics: Sara Bareilles ***WINNER***

Best Direction of a Musical
Michael Arden, Spring Awakening ***WINNER***
John Doyle, The Color Purple
Scott Ellis, She Loves Me
George C. Wolfe, Shuffle Along, Or the Making of the Musical Sensation of 1921 and All That Followed

Best Orchestrations
August Eriksmoen, Bright Star
Larry Hochman, She Loves Me ***WINNER***
Daryl Waters, Shuffle Along, Or the Making of the Musical Sensation of 1921 and All That Followed

Best Book of a Musical
Bright Star - Steve Martin
School of Rock-The Musical - Julian Fellowes
Shuffle Along, Or the Making of the Musical Sensation of 1921 and All That Followed - George C. Wolfe ***WINNER***

Best Choreography
Savion Glover, Shuffle Along, Or the Making of the Musical Sensation of 1921 and All That Followed ***WINNER***
Hofesh Shechter, Fiddler on the Roof
Randy Skinner, Dames at Sea
Sergio Trujillo, On Your Feet! The Story of Emilio and Gloria Estefan

Best Performance by an Actor in a Leading Role in a Musical
Alex Brightman, School of Rock-The Musical
Danny Burstein, Fiddler on the Roof ***WINNER***
Zachary Levi, She Loves Me
Lin-Manuel Miranda, Hamilton

Best Performance by an Actress in a Leading Role in a Musical
Laura Benanti, She Loves Me
Carmen Cusack, Bright Star
Cynthia Erivo, The Color Purple ***WINNER***
Jessie Mueller, Waitress
Phillipa Soo, Hamilton

Best Musical
Bright Star
School of Rock-The Musical
Shuffle Along, Or the Making of the Musical Sensation of 1921 and All That Followed ***WINNER***
Waitress

It would have been an amazing year for Shuffle Along!

[ebontoyan]

Posted: 6/14/16 at 10:37am

Well it's not

[Mr Roxy]

Posted: 6/14/16 at 10:41am

Believe the big winner would have been Shuffle Along

[MyLife]

Posted: 6/14/16 at 10:51am

You forgot to remove all the nominees from Hamilton who didn't win (Jackson, Groff, Miranda, Soo). If Hamilton wasn't around, they would not have been nominated. That makes the Featured Actor race between 2 men - nice odds! Then again, this is all fake and pointless. 

Maybe a better title for this thread would be "Who Came in Second?"

 

I still don't think Arden would have won if Hamilton wasn't around. The show was long forgotten and unseen by many Tony voters. I'd give it to Doyle.

[laurabenantilover]

Posted: 6/14/16 at 11:18am

Musical - Shuffle Along

Leading Actress - Cynthia Erivo

Leading Actor - Danny Burstein

Featured Actress - Danielle Brooks

Feautured Actor - Christopher Fitzgerald 

[funhamilton_rent]

Posted: 6/14/16 at 11:23am

Great idea! Here's mine (with nominations without Hamilton).

Best Musical:

American Psycho

Bright Star

School of Rock: The Musical

Shuffle Along **WINNER**

Waitress

 

Revival of a Musical:

The Color Purple **WINNER**

Fiddler on the Roof

She Loves Me

Spring Awakening

 

Best Leading Actor in a Musical:

Alex Brightman - School of Rock: The Musical

Benjamin Walker - American Psycho

Danny Burstein - Fiddler on the Roof **WINNER**

Drew Gehling - Waitress

Zachary Levi - She Loves Me

 

Best Leading Actress in a Musical:

Audra McDonald - Shuffle Along

Carmen Cusack - Bright Star

Cynthia Erivo - The Color Purple **WINNER**

Jessie Mueller - Waitress

Laura Benanti - She Loves Me

 

Featured Actor in a Musical:

Billy Porter - Shuffle Along

Brandon Victor Dixon - Shuffle Along

Christopher Fitzgerald - Waitress

Gavin Creel - She Loves Me **WINNER**

Nicholas Barasach - She Loves Me

 

Featured Actress in a Musical:

Adrianne Warden - Shuffle Along

Danielle Brooks - The Color Purple

Helene Yorke - American Psycho

Jane Krakowski - She Loves Me **WINNER**

Jennifer Simard - Disaster!

 

Book of a Musical:

George C. Wolfe - Shuffle Along **WINNER**

Jessie Nelson - Waitress

Julian Fellowes - School of Rock: The Musical

Steve Martin - Bright Star (HOW WAS THIS NOMINATED THE BOOK WAS CRAP)

 

Score:

Andrew Lloyd Webber and Glenn Slater - School of Rock: The Musical

Duncan Sheik - American Psycho

Sara Bareilles - Waitress **WINNER**

Steve Martin & Edie Brickell - Bright Star

 

Direction of a Musical:

Diane Paulus - Waitress

George C. Wolfe - Shuffle Along

John Doyle - The Color Purple

Michael Arden - Spring Awakening **WINNER**

Scott Ellis - She Loves Me

 

Choreography:

Hofesh Shechter - Fiddler on the Roof

Randy Skinner - Dames At Sea

Savion Glover - Shuffle Along **WINNER**

Sergio Trujillo - On Your Feet!

Spencer Liff - Spring Awakening

 

Scenic Design of a Musical:

American Psycho

Shuffle Along

She Loves Me **WINNER**

Waitress

 

Costume Design of a Musical:

American Psycho

She Loves Me

Shuffle Along **WINNER**

Tuck Everlasting

 

Lighting Design of a Musical:

American Psycho **WINNER**

School of Rock: The Musical

Spring Awakening

Shuffle Along

 

Orchestrations:

August Eriksmoen - Bright Star

Daryl Waters - Shuffle Along

Larry Hochman - She Loves Me **WINNER**

Sara Bareilles & The Waitress Band - Waitress

 

That makes -

She Loves Me - 4

Shuffle Along - 4

The Color Purple - 2

American Psycho - 1

Spring Awakening - 1

Waitress - 1

[Emmaloucbway]

Posted: 6/14/16 at 11:31am

Wouldn't the Tony Awards minus Hamilton basically just be the results of this year's Drama Desk Awards? 

[icecreambenjamin]

Posted: 6/14/16 at 12:18pm

I still really think that Krysta Rodriguez should've been nominated for Spring Awakening and that Jane Krakowski should've beat Renee for the Tony regardless.

I think we would've seen more love for American Psycho and the show probably wouldn't have closed so early.

Audra Mcdonald would've been nominated for lead actress and Benjamin Walker and Drew Gehling would've been nominated for lead actor.  I wonder if Austin Mckenzie would've snuck in for a nomination for Spring Awakening.

Gavin Creel, Nicholas Barasch, and Billy Porter would've picked up featured nominations.  I think Christopher Fitzgerald would probably win.

I'm really conflicted about director.  John Doyle reinvented a mediocre show into a fantastic show, so in some ways I think he deserves to win, but Michael Arden's direction was so beautiful and creative.  I'm going to say that it should've been a tie between the two.

I think Spring Awakening would've landed a choreography nomination.  As great as Shuffle Along's choreo was, Fiddler's was so beautifully electrifying so I'm also really conflicted in this category as well.

[WiCkEDrOcKS]

Posted: 6/14/16 at 12:20pm

John Doyle definitely would have won.  (And should have, even up against Kail, but that's another matter.)

[macnyc]

Posted: 6/14/16 at 12:20pm

Emmaloucbway said: "Wouldn't the Tony Awards minus Hamilton basically just be the results of this year's Drama Desk Awards? 

No, because the Drama Desk includes Off Broadway.

 

[IdinaBellFoster]

Posted: 6/14/16 at 12:32pm

BEST MUSICAL

Shuffle Along, or the Making of the Musical Sensation of 1921 and All That Followed

 

BEST BOOK

George C. Wolfe, Shuffle Along, or the Making of the Musical Sensation of 1921 and All That Followed

 

BEST SCORE

Sara Bareilles, Waitress

 

BEST DIRECTOR

John Doyle, The Color Purple

 

BEST CHOREOGRAPHY

Savion Glover, Shuffle Along, or the Making of the Musical Sensation of 1921 and All That Followed

 

BEST ORCHESTRATIONS

Larry Hochman, She Loves Me

 

BEST ACTRESS IN A MUSICAL

Cynthia Erivo, The Color Purple

 

BEST ACTOR IN A MUSICAL

Danny Burnstein, Fiddler on the Roof

 

BEST FEATURED ACTRESS IN A MUSICAL

Jane Krakowski, She Loves Me

 

BEST FEATURED ACTOR IN A MUSICAL

Christopher Fitzgerald, Waitress

 

BEST SCENIC DESIGN OF A MUSICAL

David Rockwell, She Loves Me

 

BEST COSTUME DESIGN OF A MUSICAL

Ann Roth, Shuffle Along, or the Making of the Musical Sensation of 1921 and All That Followed

 

BEST LIGHTING DESIGN OF A MUSICAL

Justin Townsend, American Psycho

 

The wealth really would have been spread. That being said Hamilton deserved every Tony it won, even if some of these (Doyle for example) are near-ties in my mind.

[dissimilate]

Posted: 6/14/16 at 12:43pm

I agree that this thread could be more aptly titled "Who came in second?" but I like seeing everyone's thoughts on who else would've scored a nomination.

My predictions are pretty much like everyone else's:

Leading Actor - Danny Burstein (Benjamin Walker nom)

Leading Actress - Cynthia Erivo (Krysta Rodriguez nom)

Featured Actor - Christopher Fitzgerald (Gavin Creel, Nicholas Barasch, Billy Porter noms)

Featured Actress - Jane Krakowski (Kimiko Glenn nom)

Musical - Shuffle

Score - Bright Star or Waitress, probably Bright Star

Book - Shuffle. Still felt overly long and draggy to me, but better than the other nominees.

Direction - Spring Awakening or The Color Purple? Oof, difficult. Tony voters likely to award Color Purple though.

Orchestrations - She Loves Me

Costumes - Shuffle

Scenic Design - Shuffle

Lighting Design - American Psycho

Choreography - Shuffle

 

Updated On: 6/14/16 at 12:43 PM

[TFMH18]

Posted: 6/14/16 at 12:47pm

Interesting that most think Waitress score would best Bright Star, even though the latter won both the Drama Desk and the Outer Critics Circle awards for score while Bareilles' received zilch.

[dissimilate]

Posted: 6/14/16 at 12:53pm

Oh and just to throw this out there...

Sound Design - She Loves Me (Shuffle, American Psycho, The Color Purple noms)

[dissimilate]

Posted: 6/14/16 at 12:58pm

TFMH18 said: "Interesting that most think Waitress score would best Bright Star, even though the latter won both the Drama Desk and the Outer Critics Circle awards for score while Bareilles' received zilch.

 

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I wonder if the inclusion of both music and lyrics in the "Score" category would make any difference. Bright Star won for music at the Drama Desks, but did not for lyrics. I know OCC has both as well but their voters tend to go a little differently from Tony/DD voters.

 

[IdinaBellFoster]

Posted: 6/14/16 at 1:27pm

dissimilate said: "Oh and just to throw this out there...

Sound Design - She Loves Me (Shuffle, American Psycho, The Color Purple noms)"

 

Perhaps it was my seat...but I would NOT give She Loves Me sound design. Had I not known the words many of the lyrics would have been lost. American Psycho deserves that one.

[Dave13]

Posted: 6/14/16 at 2:06pm

This maybe unfair, but I really believe a few shows held off until after the 2015-2016 season in order to avoid competing with Hamilton. So if Hamilton didn't exist, the season may have been much different. 

[gypsy101]

Posted: 6/14/16 at 2:19pm

why did OP forget to delete some of the Hamilton nominees lol

also I shudder to imagine BRIGHT STAR winning best score. those lyrics are dreadful. I def would have voted Waitress if Ham wasn't there.

[After Eight]

Posted: 6/14/16 at 9:19pm

"Just for FUN"

 

"FUN," you say?

How about dealing with grim reality instead? There's nothing "fun" about it, much less "FUN."

 

 

 

[dissimilate]

Posted: 6/14/16 at 11:26pm

IdinaBellFoster said: "dissimilate said: "Oh and just to throw this out there...

Sound Design - She Loves Me (Shuffle, American Psycho, The Color Purple noms)"

 

Perhaps it was my seat...but I would NOT give She Loves Me sound design. Had I not known the words many of the lyrics would have been lost. American Psycho deserves that one.

 

"

Just wondering, where did you sit? I sat pretty much in the same place for She Loves Me and American Psycho (mid orch, left aisle). The great thing about sitting there for AP was getting to pick up one of those fake notes shot out and sprayed everywhere.

[pupscotch]

Posted: 6/15/16 at 6:55am

I believe that Savion Glover would definitely have won Choreography (and should have won against Andy).

[devonian.t]

Posted: 6/15/16 at 7:32am

A8, I leave grim reality to you- or at least the grim aspects.

I emphasized that it was just for fun, not scientific analysis, so I didn't bother to replace nominees- I wasn't interested in a rigorous creation of an alternate universe, (ideally with A8 as our Supreme Ruler).  

Go into it in more detail if you like, but I'll stick with whimsy.

[TerrenceIsTheMann]

Posted: 6/15/16 at 10:23am

I agree with all the the OP's choices except I think orchestrations would ALSO go to Shuffle Along.

[Mike66]

Posted: 6/15/16 at 7:19pm

IdinaBellFoster said: "dissimilate said: "Oh and just to throw this out there...

Sound Design - She Loves Me (Shuffle, American Psycho, The Color Purple noms)"

 

Perhaps it was my seat...but I would NOT give She Loves Me sound design. Had I not known the words many of the lyrics would have been lost. American Psycho deserves that one.

 

"

I had the same problem -- sound mixing wasn't good in the left front mezzanine.  (probably because half the musicians were directly to my left).   Good to know I wasn't the only person with the problem.

 

[Jeffrey Karasarides]

Posted: 7/20/16 at 11:04am

Here's what I think this year's Tony Awards would've looked like if Hamilton was not in the running.

Best Musical
Bright Star
School of Rock
Shuffle Along... (winner)
Waitress

Best Lead Actor in a Musical
Alex Brightman-School of Rock
Danny Burstein-Fiddler on the Roof (winner)
Zachary Levi-She Loves Me
Austin P. McKenzie-Spring Awakening
Benjamin Walker-American Psycho

Best Lead Actress in a Musical
Laura Benanti-She Loves Me
Carmen Cusack-Bright Star
Cynthia Erivo-The Color Purple (winner)
Audra McDonald-Shuffle Along...
Jessie Mueller-Waitress

Best Featured Actor in a Musical
Gavin Creel-She Loves Me
Brandon Victor Dixon-Shuffle Along...
Daniel N. Durant-Spring Awakening
Christopher Fitzgerald-Waitress (winner)
Billy Porter-Shuffle Along...

Best Featured Actress in a Musical
Danielle Brooks-The Color Purple
Jennifer Hudson-The Color Purple
Jane Krakowski-She Loves Me (winner)
Jennifer Simard-Disaster!
Adrienne Warren-Shuffle Along...

Best Direction of a Musical
Michael Arden-Spring Awakening
John Doyle-The Color Purple (winner)
Scott Ellis-She Loves Me
Bartlett Sher-Fiddler on the Roof
George C. Wolfe-Shuffle Along...

Best Original Score
Bright Star-Music By Steve Martin & Edie Brickell, Lyrics By Edie Brickell (winner)
School of Rock-Music By Andrew Lloyd Webber, Lyrics By Glenn Slater
Tuck Everlasting-Music By Chris Miller, Lyrics By Nathan Tysen
Waitress-Music & Lyrics By Sara Bareilles

Best Book of a Musical
Bright Star-Steve Martin
School of Rock-Julian Fellowes
Shuffle Along...-George C. Wolfe (winner)
Waitress-Jessie Nelson

Best Choreography
Savion Glover-Shuffle Along... (winner)
Spencer Liff-Spring Awakening
Hofesh Shechter-Fiddler on the Roof
Randy Skinner-Dames at Sea
Sergio Trujillo-On Your Feet!

Best Orchestrations
August Eriksmoen-Bright Star (winner)
Larry Hochman-She Loves Me
Joseph Joubert-The Color Purple
Daryl Waters-Shuffle Along...

Best Lighting Design of a Musical
Jules Fisher & Peggy Eisenhauer-Shuffle Along... (winner)
Kenneth Posner-On Your Feet!
Ben Stanton-Spring Awakening
Justin Townsend-American Psycho

Best Scenic Design of a Musical
Es Devlin & Finn Ross-American Psycho
Santo Loquasto-Shuffle Along...
David Rockwell-She Loves Me (winner)
Walt Spangler-Tuck Everlasting

Best Costume Design of a Musical
Gregg Barnes-Tuck Everlasting
Jeff Mahshie-She Loves Me
Ann Roth-Shuffle Along... (winner)
Catherine Zuber-Fiddler on the Roof