ABC Receives 1,500 Complaints About Adam Lambert Kissing a Man- Page 7

[Phyllis Rogers Stone]

Posted: 11/27/09 at 7:21pm

None of the latest responses in this thread are showing.

SM2, I just know that a boycott is a pointless endeavor.

[StageManager2]

Posted: 11/27/09 at 7:22pm

What the hell happened to my earlier post? And, Phyl, how did you know to respond to it? :-/

Updated On: 11/27/09 at 07:22 PM

[Phyllis Rogers Stone]

Posted: 11/27/09 at 7:28pm

You can see them when you hit "reply to the this message," but not when you go in the end end of the thread.

[Q]

Posted: 11/27/09 at 8:24pm

I'll try this again - once more with feeling!

". . . why a person cares what anyone else does in their bedroom"

Because their very tenuous grip on reality depends on the foundation of their religious ideology, and the people that lead those groups continue to perpetuate the notion that homosexulaity is wrong.

[luvtheEmcee]

Posted: 11/27/09 at 10:18pm

From Erik's article - He was not canceled over a gay kiss. He showed himself to be unpredictable on live TV.

Actually wasn't he on live tv like twelve times or so over the course of that show he was on. Doesn't this statistically show than more often than not, he can "control" himself on tv.

Word. What a bunch of asshats. That is so clearly, completely bull*****. I kind of can't believe they'd even think they could get away with saying something so ridiculous, because I can't believe they'd think people would buy it -- it's a totally illogical excuse! -- but some undoubtedly will.

[ErikJ972]

Posted: 11/28/09 at 10:32am

I agree that a boycott is pointless. Plus I'm hooked on V.
But if you go to the abc news website it's very easy to send a complaint and tag it Good Morning America.
I would love to see them get more than the 1500 complaints they originally got for Lambert's performance on the AMA's.
I know at one point GMA turned the comments off on their Facebook page because they were getting too many negative comments...

[luvtheEmcee]

Posted: 11/28/09 at 10:34am

I would love to see them get more than the 1500 complaints they originally got for Lambert's performance on the AMA's.

I agree on the boycott being useless as well, but that I think could make a statement for sure. I'd love to see them shut down their comments again.

[WishingOnlyWounds2]

Posted: 11/28/09 at 6:59pm

Him being gay put aside... Madonna, Britney, and Christina all had quite the reputation when they kissed. If they did that their first awards show performance, you can bet there would have been some commotion.

[jrb_actor]

Posted: 11/28/09 at 7:33pm

Yes, people keep saying he hadn't earned his right to be controversial. Except Madonna's first perf was and ignited her career. Which sounds to be exactly what is happening with Lambert, who is outselling expectations for the album and more than triple the AI winner's album sales.

Except a gay male kiss by a male pop star would be a scandal whether by a newbie or a vet, so what was the point being made again?

ETA: The above isn't really meant to sound bitchy. lol

Updated On: 11/28/09 at 07:33 PM

[snl89]

Posted: 11/28/09 at 7:39pm

Him being gay put aside... Madonna, Britney, and Christina all had quite the reputation when they kissed. If they did that their first awards show performance, you can bet there would have been some commotion.


Here's the thing about that though:
Obviously Adam IS a very new person in the industry, and he's still got tons to prove in terms of the music he puts out and stuff (his first album IS legitimate awesome though). But at the same time, it's not like the actual Idol run counts for nothing either.

That's what Idol is all ABOUT, really- allowing people to get an idea of the kind of artist a person will be before they actually produce anything of their own. So the point is, Adam may not have a whole lot under his belt yet, but he DOES still have a reputation. Anyone who watches his Idol performances WOULD know that he's the type of artist who is going to come out and push buttons. I mean, he did a crazy bizarre, totally avant guard version of Ring Of Fire top 11 week! If that didn't set people up for the fact that he's not afraid to get sexual and out-of-the-box, I don't know what could. haha

I get that not everyone watches Idol, but the point is just that.. it's not like he's ever done ANY large scale public performances from which people had gotten idea of the kind of performer he is. He may have taken the risque-ness up a few notches for the AMAs, but anyone who does a quick youtube search for him could easily see that this is his thing. He's not just coming out with NO exposure under his belt. He may not have any original music success under his belt just yet, but he did have exposure. That's WHAT the whole purpose of American Idol is- to create that kind of exposure for artists that wouldn't otherwise be able to get it.


So yeah, even for the people who had no clue who he was before the AMAs, all they have to do is do a quick youtube search with his name to see that this IS him. He got a bit carried away, but he's always been a sensual, risque performer. No one should be surprised by it.

[JerseyGirl2]

Posted: 11/28/09 at 11:40pm

Except Madonna's first perf was and ignited her career.

If you're talking about Like A Virgin, while yes, it was very daring, it was also her second album and a follow up to Holiday, Borderline and Lucky Star. She'd already gone gold twice before. It's also hard to compare the MTV audience of 1984 to the ABC audience of 2009. Much of America has gone to nutty side of conservative.

I have really just decided he made a bad call. Nothing more. He probably watched the whole show, saw that many artists were very edgy and wanted to up the ante. It makes sense. It just didn't work. Now, with the way he's handling the aftermath, I don't think it's going to matter at all in the long run.

The way the media has handled it has certainly been an eye opener.

[Q]

Posted: 11/28/09 at 11:43pm

I really do think Jerby has a point - two guys would have caused a problem no matter the circumstances. Whether or not Madonna & Britney were 'known' isn't really an issue. It's viewed differently.

*sigh*

[JerseyGirl2]

Posted: 11/28/09 at 11:57pm

I found Adam's kiss less creepy than the Madonna/Britney one.

[JerseyGirl2]

Posted: 11/29/09 at 12:09am

Guy on Chelsea Lately: "You people! You want the gays to make the music and design the dresses but when we kiss, NO WAY! Face it! You want the decoration, you have to take the fornication!"

[BroadwayGirl107]

Posted: 11/29/09 at 12:33am

Reading this thread makes me think people have forgotten how many people were absolutely up in arms over the Madonna/Britney kiss AND the importance of the context it happened in. As others said, that took place on MTV, a station which had a reputation of showing far more risqué images than two women kissing. If they had chosen to do the very same performance on the AMAs (...they probably wouldn't), I'd bet anything that ABC would have received just as many complaints. While I completely agree there's a double standard, a same sex kiss by ANYone, newbie or pop legend, male or female, is the cause for scandal.

Now, as others have said, the fact that any station felt the need to blur Adam Lambert's kiss is beyond me. I see what they're saying about the Britney/Madonna kiss...everyone has seen the image hundreds of times; I believe it was even on the cover of newspapers. Blocking out that image would make as much sense as blocking out Britney Spears' schoolgirl outfit. But simply by showing the Britney/Madonna kiss, the Lambert one should be kosher...

Also, snl...your argument makes little sense. Adam Lambert, up until the AMAs, only existed in the American Idol world, which is made up of a very specific audience that watched that particular television show from week to week. He had no reputation other than being an Idol contestant with the music industry at large. The AMAs was really his first introduction to the wider music-loving public, the majority of which doesn't necessarily watch American Idol. The point people are making is that Britney and Madonna had established reputations in the music industry at large...whether you sought to watch them or not, EVERYONE knew "...Baby One More Time" and Britney's continuing controversy and "Like A Virgin," and that of Madonna. They established themselves for years as performers who push buttons, and certainly, when they step on stage to this day, there is that expectation. And they smartly started...shall I say...more delicately.

[TheatreFan4]

Posted: 11/29/09 at 12:36am

Guy on Chelsea Lately: "You people! You want the gays to make the music and design the dresses but when we kiss, NO WAY! Face it! You want the decoration, you have to take the fornication!"

Guy is the ****. I cheered him on when he said that.

[snl89]

Posted: 11/29/09 at 1:13am

Adam Lambert, up until the AMAs, only existed in the American Idol world, which is made up of a very specific audience that watched that particular television show from week to week. He had no reputation other than being an Idol contestant with the music industry at large. The AMAs was really his first introduction to the wider music-loving public, the majority of which doesn't necessarily watch American Idol. The point people are making is that Britney and Madonna had established reputations in the music industry at large...whether you sought to watch them or not, EVERYONE knew "...Baby One More Time" and Britney's continuing controversy and "Like A Virgin," and that of Madonna. They established themselves for years as performers who push buttons, and certainly, when they step on stage to this day, there is that expectation. And they smartly started...shall I say...more delicately.


Right, but all I meant is that it's not like Adam was just this COMPLETELY newly discovered talent who didn't have ANY significant fan base to speak of, and then he came out and did this performance on national television.

He IS a newbie who's still working on building a fan base, and American Idol doesn't mean he's a household name just yet. But nevertheless, a fair amount of people knew going in what Adam was about. And if they didn't, a quick youtube search would show them.


As JerseyGirl said, it WAS a bad call on his part because it IS early in his career to let himself go so far. But I just don't think it's quite fair to treat it like he's NEVER made an impression on anyone before either.

Idol is a very interesting phenomenon... for a lot of the contestants they fall into obscurity pretty much right away, but for the handful that actually make a name for themselves, it leaves them in this odd place as they're starting their careers. They're not quite household names out in the real world yet, but they're not exactly undiscovered either. So yeah... I just think it's different. I don't think it's quite fair to say it like he's NEVER proven what he's got up till now. Because he HAS. Every week on Idol. Not everyone realizes that, hence why it was still a bad judgement call, but it's still true :)

[jrb_actor]

Posted: 11/29/09 at 12:41pm

If the album sales are what they are (esp the 600,000,000 sales rumors), it wasn't a bad call at all.

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 11/29/09 at 12:51pm

"(esp the 600,000,000 sales rumors)"

There is no possible way that rumor is true.

And my two cents, I took to heart JRB's criticism that I shouldn't criticize the cd based on the iTunes clips. So I bought the cd. Listened to the whole thing twice.

I don't think people should kid themselves that there's anything exceptional on it. There are two kinds of songs on it: the okay ones and the ones that aren't. All of the songs are at least 30 seconds too long, many are a minute or a minute and a half too long. There is no focus, the disparate songwriters and producers contributed mightily to that, but a lot of the blame is on his handlers. If I were to cobble together some sort of overarching theme I guess it would be an antiquated, "I'm gonna make it BIG on a major label," which just seems so behind the curve and last century. "I'm such a rebel" really doesn't work when you're a cog in a dying industry machine that doesn't know how to change or adapt.

I would have been happy with some high quality disposable pop songs. But they couldn't even muster that. There isn't a single song with the pop tastiness of Clay Aiken's "Invisible" for instance.

I will say this, Adam's cd really deepened my respect for the pop artistry of Rick Springfield in the '80s.

Oh, and Shakira's new album does EVERYTHING you want a pop record to do.

[jrb_actor]

Posted: 11/29/09 at 12:57pm

Shakira? ::shivers::

You don't even like "Soaked", which could just as easily been on the Muse album? "A Loaded Smile"? "Broken Open" is hauntingly beautiful and features the "Mad Mad Mad World" vocals people fell in love with. And, I'll say it--the 2012 song is beautiful as well--"Time For Miracles".

Hey--it's cool if you didn't like any of it.

I don't think the 600 million rumors are true. Apparently, those are Susan Boyle's numbers if you can stomach the nonsense of that. But, he is def near the 300 million mark, which exceeded expectations and more than tripled Kris Allen's sales.

ETA: 600K and 300K, not million.

Updated On: 11/29/09 at 12:57 PM

[StockardFan]

Posted: 11/29/09 at 12:59pm

Seriously? Susan Boyle sold 600K records this week?

Who the hell is buying it?

[jrb_actor]

Posted: 11/29/09 at 1:02pm

whoops--thank you for putting the K there! LOL I kept putting million!

the numbers would be in the hundreds of thousands. I need this coffee to take effect!

[Pgenre]

Posted: 11/29/09 at 1:06pm

"I don't think the 600 million rumors are true. Apparently, those are Susan Boyle's numbers if you can stomach the nonsense of that. But, he is def near the 300 million mark, which exceeded expectations and more than tripled Kris Allen's sales."

THOUSANDS, not MILLIONS. 600,000 and 300,000 units, respectively.

LOL!

P

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 11/29/09 at 1:17pm

I get that it's totally about taste. But I think Adam's cd lacks any "It" Factor. Believe me, I didn't ever WANT to like Clay Aiken's "Invisible," but to me its hook was unmissable and it was obviously better constructed than anything on Adam's album, which I could begrudgingly respect.

Yes, "Soaked" sounds like it could be on a Muse outtakes album, and the one charming thing about "Music Again" came right out of The Darkness playbook, which doesn't work for me because I'm familiar with the source material. He adds nothing to what they gave him to sing.

When I took "For Your Entertainment" out of my CD player, all I could think was, "This makes me want to listen to MUSIC again."

[luvtheEmcee]

Posted: 11/29/09 at 1:27pm

Ok, I feel like I need to confess that I still listen to Clay's "Measure of a Man" album sometimes. However, I am beginning to feel like I can't function without listening to Adam's album. It's all I've listened to all week. I feel sort of embarrassed, because I usually have rather snobbish tastes when it comes to music, but I am just obsessed with this album.

Help me.