ABC Wash Post Poll: 64% of Dems Think Hillary Should Stay in Race
ABC Wash Post Poll: 64% of Dems Think Hillary Should Stay in Race
#1ABC Wash Post Poll: 64% of Dems Think Hillary Should Stay in Race
Posted: 5/12/08 at 8:30pm
What the F*CK?!?!? Did I switch to Obama too soon?
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ABC NEWS
No Rush for Clinton to Go, but it's Still Advantage Obama
Poll Shows 64 Percent of Dems Say Clinton Should Remain in the Race
ANALYSIS by GARY LANGER
May 12, 2008 —
Pushing back against political punditry, more than six in 10 Democrats say there's no rush for Hillary Clinton to leave the presidential race even as Barack Obama consolidates his support for the nomination and scores solidly in general-election tests.
Despite Obama's advantage in delegates and popular vote, 64 percent of Democrats in the latest ABC News/Washington Post poll say Clinton should remain in the race. Even among Obama's supporters, 42 percent say so.
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Poll Shows 64 Percent of Dems Say Clinton Should Remain in the Race
#2re: ABC Wash Post Poll: 64% of Dems Think Hillary Should Stay in Race
Posted: 5/12/08 at 9:13pmShe should. And on June 4 or there abouts after, she should simply suspend her campaign.
#2re: ABC Wash Post Poll: 64% of Dems Think Hillary Should Stay in Race
Posted: 5/12/08 at 9:28pmPalJoey asks "Is West Virginia Hillary's Rose's Turn--or her Everything's Coming Up Roses?"
#3re: ABC Wash Post Poll: 64% of Dems Think Hillary Should Stay in Race
Posted: 5/12/08 at 9:42pm
I find it curious that the SD said last Wednesday after Hers and Obama's win that she should stay in the race. This is not coming from Hillary's camp but the SD.Why? If they are so certain they want Obama, why ask her to stay in? Also, who are these people in West Virgina who are voting for her? What about the people in Texas and Ohio and Florida and Pennsylvania? Why don't they count?
I think it comes down to having a popular candidate who a lot of people like who might fizzle out after he gets the nominee vs. a candidate who people don't like, but can pull in BIG need to win states. I think at this point Obama needs her more than she needs him. IMO, the SD hope he can win, but seem more certain that she can win. They are in a very difficult position.
#4re: ABC Wash Post Poll: 64% of Dems Think Hillary Should Stay in Race
Posted: 5/12/08 at 9:59pm
I'm still an ardent Hillary supporter. I'm not in the Obama camp.
Tomorrow we're gonna hear how he doesn't have the "white, blue collar" vote.
How the popular vote is going to be more evenly split than predicted.
How it's not over until it's over.
And then some of the fickle supes will flip back to her.
He's still gonna get the nomination (I sadly admit), but she's not done yet. And she shouldn't be. Roughly half the party wants her over him.
#5re: ABC Wash Post Poll: 64% of Dems Think Hillary Should Stay in Race
Posted: 5/12/08 at 10:11pm
As Hillary says, "Its not over til the lady in the pantsuit says its over".
I'm with you Taz. I hope I like Obama more come election time than I do now. I'd like to like and be proud of the candidate I vote for.
#6re: ABC Wash Post Poll: 64% of Dems Think Hillary Should Stay in Race
Posted: 5/12/08 at 10:33pm
Taz - I disagree. Don't be surprised to see the Obama campaign announce more superdelegate commitments on Wednesday. My guess is that they're holding some back in anticipation of the West Virginia loss.
I think she should stay in, at least through Oregon and Kentucky. By then, if he has secured the majority of the committed delegates, it may be hard to justify staying in the race so the people of Puerto Rico can be heard, since they don't vote in the general election.
BkCollector
Broadway Star Joined: 2/6/08
#7re: ABC Wash Post Poll: 64% of Dems Think Hillary Should Stay in Race
Posted: 5/12/08 at 11:22pm
This is just a media bull**** campaign to keep interested in a lame duck candidate until Obama is official. Don't fall for it.
Im not saying this to diss Hillary, it's just how the media works. You should be wise to it, that's all. Be discerning.
#8re: ABC Wash Post Poll: 64% of Dems Think Hillary Should Stay in Race
Posted: 5/12/08 at 11:33pm
Or it's the reality we need to work with:
May 10 Electoral Votes: Obama 254 McCain 273 Ties 11
May 12 Electoral Votes: Obama 237 McCain 290 Ties 11
May 10 Electoral Votes: Clinton 280 McCain 258
May 12 Electoral Votes: Clinton 280 McCain 241 Ties 17
http://www.electoral-vote.com
#9re: ABC Wash Post Poll: 64% of Dems Think Hillary Should Stay in Race
Posted: 5/12/08 at 11:41pmJRB - electoral maps in May are anything but reality. In June of 1992, Bill Clinton trailed both Ross Perot and George HW Bush. In May of 2000, half of John McCain's supporters said they would never vote for George W Bush.
#10re: ABC Wash Post Poll: 64% of Dems Think Hillary Should Stay in Race
Posted: 5/12/08 at 11:44pmI am praying that is true here.
brdlwyr
Broadway Legend Joined: 1/14/05
#11re: ABC Wash Post Poll: 64% of Dems Think Hillary Should Stay in Race
Posted: 5/13/08 at 12:00am
PJ, I assume that you saw Bill's face last Tuesday and knew that it was not likely that Clinton could overcome O's lead.
HC can set her own timetable because she is paying the tab.
#12re: ABC Wash Post Poll: 64% of Dems Think Hillary Should Stay in Race
Posted: 5/13/08 at 12:22am
it's not about the lead now--face reality, man
it's about the necessary Democratic electorate that the Obama campaign has forgotten
without whom there is only defeat
brdlwyr
Broadway Legend Joined: 1/14/05
#13re: ABC Wash Post Poll: 64% of Dems Think Hillary Should Stay in Race
Posted: 5/13/08 at 12:27amPJ, I was answering this question: Did I switch to Obama too soon?
Namaste
Broadway Legend Joined: 4/24/08
#14re: ABC Wash Post Poll: 64% of Dems Think Hillary Should Stay in Race
Posted: 5/13/08 at 12:30amI still plan to vote for Clinton/Obama in November!
#15re: ABC Wash Post Poll: 64% of Dems Think Hillary Should Stay in Race
Posted: 5/13/08 at 1:19amUnless Clinton takes back the popular vote lead by June 4, Obama's campaign would have to crumble for her to be the nominee. Therefore, I doubt a Clinton/Obama ticket can happen. Obama/Clinton? I hope.
Luscious
Broadway Legend Joined: 10/20/05
#16re: ABC Wash Post Poll: 64% of Dems Think Hillary Should Stay in Race
Posted: 5/13/08 at 9:23am
The nomination is Obama's. I don't care if Hillary wins West Virginia by a 90/10 margin. She doesn't have the numbers. She's welcome to stay in it until the bitter end and continue to spend her and her contributor’s money, but unless Obama asks her to be his running mate (which is appearing less and less likely with each passing day), it's all over for her. Of course the media is going to play up her wins in West Virginia and Kentucky, but they're not going to amount to a Hill (pun intended) of beans. And I love the way Obama has moved on and isn't even wasting his time campaigning against her any more. He's got bigger fish to fry and he’s already heating up the pan!
#17re: ABC Wash Post Poll: 64% of Dems Think Hillary Should Stay in Race
Posted: 5/13/08 at 9:28am
But, if on June 4, she leads in the popular vote, PJ and I abandoned her too soon because it takes us back to a preMay 6 game.
And don't underestimate a stomping tonite giving supers the jitters.
#18re: ABC Wash Post Poll: 64% of Dems Think Hillary Should Stay in Race
Posted: 5/13/08 at 9:31am
Both campaigns will be spinning the results. If Clinton wins by as much as everyone expects, she'll try to make this into some sort of 'game changer'. They may even try to resurrect their popular vote claim again, by including Florida & Michigan.
Obama's campaign will downplay the results, praising her strengths as a candidate and the amount of time and effort she put in over the last week. Don't be surprised if Obama announces more superdelegates tomorrow.
#19re: ABC Wash Post Poll: 64% of Dems Think Hillary Should Stay in Race
Posted: 5/13/08 at 9:34am
The Democrats want Obama because he is popular NOW. He CLEARLY has the nomination.
However, Hillary has shown she can beat McCaine but not Obama.
The Democrats would much rather have Obama win the nomination but loose the election. I'll support and vote for Obama, but there is no doubt in my mind he will loose in November. If Hillary joins him as VP, his chances may improve.
#20re: ABC Wash Post Poll: 64% of Dems Think Hillary Should Stay in Race
Posted: 5/13/08 at 9:35am
It's not spin if she wins by landslides in these two states.
It means Obama need help swinging the swing states.
The size of the landslides will determine the severity of his need.
#21re: ABC Wash Post Poll: 64% of Dems Think Hillary Should Stay in Race
Posted: 5/13/08 at 9:39amPJ - swing states change from election to election, and can vary based on candidates. Clinton's swing states vs McCain may be very different from Obama's. She would certainly do better in states like West Virginia & Kentucky, but he stands a much better chance in Virginia & Maryland.
brdlwyr
Broadway Legend Joined: 1/14/05
#22re: ABC Wash Post Poll: 64% of Dems Think Hillary Should Stay in Race
Posted: 5/13/08 at 9:44amThere may also be states in the South up for grab that Obama could win that Clinton could not.
#23re: ABC Wash Post Poll: 64% of Dems Think Hillary Should Stay in Race
Posted: 5/13/08 at 9:45amHe also polls much better than her in states like Nebraska and Colorado.
#24re: ABC Wash Post Poll: 64% of Dems Think Hillary Should Stay in Race
Posted: 5/13/08 at 9:59am
Math is math.
The (credible) super delegates aren't going to flip back and forth. If the Super Delegates start committing to Obama right now along with the math that doesn't work for Hillary without the super delegates they are effectively removing themselves from having to do this at the convention - which no one, including Hillary wants to happen.
The more Supers that commit to Obama before June 4, the more likely that Hillary can ends this before it becomes even more damaging for the party.
I still plan on voting for an Obama/Richardson ticket in November.
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