ABC Wash Post Poll: 64% of Dems Think Hillary Should Stay in Race — Page 5

That's the wrong question. That's a question that starts an argument.

You should be asking how to win over that avid Hillary supporter.

How do you think Obama can do that, Luscious? The ball's in the court of the Obama campaign.

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I don't disagree with that. But, at this point, he's going to be the nominee. Four more superdelegates today. He's the nominee.

And you admitted as much last week. But now, she's the comeback kid again, who still has a fighting chance at the nomination. She doesn't. Unless something MASSIVE happens.

I mean...Everything's Coming Up Roses?? It's done. Letting it play itself out and letting the rest of the states vote in the primaries is a great way to end this historic time. I have no problem with it. But it's done.

I hope to Christ Kelli O'Hara doesn't win the Tony, otherwise, on June 16, we'll be putting you into a home.

Oh...and that's a by the way.

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May I bring us back to the ABC polls, which are the cornerstone, theoretically, of this thread...

In addition to the quoted poll, despite the majority feeling Clinton should not drop out, 62% think Obama is stronger against McCain.

And in the same poll of head to head match-ups:

Obama -- McCain 51% - 44%
Clinton -- McCain 49% - 46%

Do I think those polls are sustainable? Not remotely. But today's window into the electorate is a bit more complicated than determining how many people believe Clinton should stay or go. And too many people consistently ignore Clinton's negative, 54%, the highest among the three. That's another current window into how the electorate thinks, and must also be considered. It's worth remembering how Fox News salivates about a Clinton run; they and other right wing orgs know Clinton galvinizes their base. That is not my opinion.

Neither Clinton nor Obama is the sure thing. Surely all of us understandthat. He's won 31 states, she's won 16. If you add Florida and Michigan, and then West Virginia and Kentucky, he's still won more states. Should that be the only factor? No. But let's not keep ignoring these other pieces of the puzzle when we argue about electability. The puzzle has many pieces, and their shapes evolve.

Stay in the race, Senator Clinton. Seat Michigan and Florida, DNC. Keep your eye on the big picture, electorate; it's a complicated one.

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Updated On: 5/13/08 at 03:21 PM

"You should be asking how to win over that avid Hillary supporter."

"How do you think Obama can do that, Luscious? The ball's in the court of the Obama campaign."

That depends on why said avid Hillary supporter is so set against voting for him should he win the nomination. That's what I've been asking since page 2 of this thread, and I still haven't gotten a clear and straight answer.

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Updated On: 5/13/08 at 03:25 PM

PJ - how do you think Obama needs to reach out to Clinton supporters? The most logical choice is the VP slot, and he doesn't necessarily have to put her on the ticket to do so. It might help to choose Strickland (Gov - Ohio), a Clinton supporter in a key state. It might also help to choose a woman other than Clinton, like Kathleen Sebelius (Gov - Kansas), who has ties to Ohio (her father was Gov) and Michigan (she grew up there).

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I dunno, but Sibelius's State of the Union disaster disqualifies her.

Frankly, I think he has to do a whistle-stop tour of all the red areas in this map, listening to lunch-bucket, working-class Democrats and Republicans, creating the kind of rapport with them that Hillary did. If she could, he can



The red went for Hillary, the blue for Obama, the green for Edwards.

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Point A... fine. That's okay.

Point B... get the fug outta here.

I never said it was the "wrong question".

I am VERY interested why ANYONE would vote for McCain. Anyone. At all.

I think people have too much damn time on their hands.

That's what I think. Who's with me?

I have never EVER said anything about a "lazy black boy," but I do admit to wondering if it's true what they say about men who wear size-13s...

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Does Obama wear size 13 shoes?!?

(I still believe it's the size of your middle finger to the bottom of your palm that is a better indication.)

Updated On: 5/13/08 at 03:58 PM

Say 14. Every guy rounds up anyway.