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[Dave19]

Posted: 2/8/16 at 7:34am

Javero, all fine and well, but you do realize that playing the victim role like that is placing white men on an even higher pedestal?

 

The only lesson those organizations teach is that certain people are not meant to be mainstream. 

 

And those gender and race fixated awards might give insecure people a little self esteem, so it hopefully grows so they can eventually take part in the mainstream awards. But it does not change the mainstream world in the way they want, in fact, it changes the mainstream world in the opposite way. Bigger gap. Less respect.  If you don't see that consequence, you have a problem.

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[FindingNamo]

Posted: 2/8/16 at 9:58am

When you're victimized by hundreds of years of oppression based on your skin color, you are a victim.  It's not playing a role.

 

You're so hypothetical and capable of easy solutions but what you're talking about is some concept, not REAL PEOPLE.

[tazber]

Posted: 2/8/16 at 11:12am

I get the impression that Dave is young.

 

His points seem to be lacking the reality that experience brings.

 

Like a late teen who's never wrong and knows everything even though they've barely poked their head out into the real world.

 

 

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 2/8/16 at 11:19am

It's almost as if there is no information about the long history of complicated racial dynamics in the US with new perspectives emerging all the time.   But Dave assures he knows "all about" it.

 

This was released yesterday:

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mR-tbOxlhvE

[javero]

Posted: 2/8/16 at 12:54pm

That is a very powerful and gripping video.  Thanks for sharing, FN!

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[Dave19]

Posted: 2/8/16 at 6:37pm

FindingNamo said: "It's almost as if there is no information about the long history of complicated racial dynamics in the US with new perspectives emerging all the time.   But Dave assures he knows "all about" it."

 

It's almost as if people don't want to realize what it is that keeps it going on. Separation anyone?

You can encourage separation all you want and call it celebration, but it keeps separation intact.

 

I know all about the history. That is why I realize what works and what does not.

 

 

 

Updated On: 2/8/16 at 06:37 PM

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 2/8/16 at 6:44pm

Without celebration, and assertion, you would see no black people anywhere in American media.  NONE.

 

 

[Dave19]

Posted: 2/8/16 at 6:51pm

FindingNamo said: "Without celebration, and assertion, you would see no black people anywhere in American media.  NONE."

 

Exactly. In the mainstream world. Any other separated world will drift them further away from it.

 

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 2/8/16 at 6:56pm

Without that "separated world" as you mischaracterize it, you would never know black artists exist.  It's not mainstream white culture that has built the bridges you know.  

[Dave19]

Posted: 2/8/16 at 7:20pm

I see a lot of black people in the mainstream world. 

It's people that take on the challenge with a positive attitude that build bridges.

Every black person that achieved something (in entertainment, politics, everything) did that because he went for the mainstream world. Not because  they created their own little world. 

 

Only that will make a point and make a change. And they have.

 

Ps. Do you even walk around on this earth with your eyes open? Have you seen the amount of black people in all the current films and tv series? Have you heard of Orange is the New Black, Homeland, the Blacklist, Hannibal, and see how many black actors there are in those? Have you seen the casts of Les Miserables and Phantom currently? Have you seen the percentage of black actors in those? Have you seen the amount of black people in Grease live? Have you seen the amount of black Grammy Award winners? And the list goes on and on.

 

Isn't it time to be very thankful for this? 

 

The percentage is extremely high. Especially for black actors. Much higher than the percentage is for white actors. 

 

Is it not high enough for you? And why do you think the percentage is so high? Because of pressure/pity or because black people are so much more talented?

 

 

 

 

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[javero]

Posted: 2/8/16 at 7:39pm

"Every black person that achieved something (in entertainment, politics, everything) did that because he went for the mainstream world. Not because  they created their own little world."

 

That has not been consistent with my experience as a person black in the USA.  Each of us accepts and upholds a bi-cultural existence.  I do NOT aspire to be white, brown, or any other specifier.  Why? Because this side of the pond black is more than a color in the hearts of minds of those like me.  I no longer care enough about this thread to expand on the topic.  If you do not self-identify as black, don't you dare attempt to appropriate my personal narrative or those of my brethren and sisters of the African diaspora as if it's yours to trade.  Stay in your lane mate!

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[Dave19]

Posted: 2/8/16 at 7:47pm

javero said: "Stay in your lane mate!"

 

No. The world is one lane. Feel free to join.

 

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 2/8/16 at 7:49pm

You really should learn.  Something.  How old are you, anyway?

[Dave19]

Posted: 2/8/16 at 7:53pm

I would love to learn what your views are of the extreme percentage/proportion of black actors nowadays in almost everything.

 

Are you thankful? And what do you think is the reason?

 

 

 

[javero]

Posted: 2/8/16 at 7:54pm

"No. The world is one lane. Feel free to join."

 

No thanks.  There's only room for one in that fictional world you've conjured up. 

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 2/8/16 at 8:01pm

the extreme percentage/proportion of black actors nowadays in almost everything.

 

Just look at what you wrote.  Look at it.  Maybe meditate on it for a while.

[Dave19]

Posted: 2/8/16 at 8:02pm

javero said: ""No. The world is one lane. Feel free to join."

 

 

 

No thanks.  There's only room for one in that fictional world you've conjured up. 

 

"

 

The mainstream world isn't fictional.

[Dave19]

Posted: 2/8/16 at 8:05pm

FindingNamo said: "the extreme percentage/proportion of black actors nowadays in almost everything.

 

 

 

Just look at what you wrote.  Look at it.  Maybe meditate on it for a while.

 

"

 

No, maybe you meditate on it for a while. Let it sink in. Watch some random series on Netflix, movies, or musical in theatre. Then get back to me.

 

 

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[FindingNamo]

Posted: 2/8/16 at 8:17pm

I don't think you understand how random works or what a real random sample would reveal to you, junior.

 

Look, a black man in the US has told you what his experience as a black man in the US is like, and you come back with your imaginary dream world and call it "mainstream."   Just contemplate for a while that perhaps the voice of a black man in the US is better informed about race issues in the US than you are.  Just contemplate that.

[javero]

Posted: 2/8/16 at 8:24pm

“The percentage is extremely high. Especially for black actors. Much higher than the percentage is for white actors.

 

Is it not high enough for you? And why do you think the percentage is so high? Because of pressure/pity or because black people are so much more talented?”

 

If I’m following your logic, on the present trajectory, 100% mainstreamed black actors will soon occupy every conceivable acting job on stage and screen alike.  Is that something that passes muster with you?

[Dave19]

Posted: 2/9/16 at 8:15am

javero said: "

If I’m following your logic, on the present trajectory, 100% mainstreamed black actors will soon occupy every conceivable acting job on stage and screen alike.  Is that something that passes muster with you?"

 

You mean things like a black Phantom, a black Marty, a black Enjolras, a black Valjean, a black Carlotta, black lawyers in films and series, a black Hermione, a black Babette, black judges, black politicians, black police investigators, black doctors, surgeons, black FBI agents, etc?

 

Yep.

 

I am talking about the high percentages here. 12% of the population is black but much more than 12% of black people auditioning get hired. That is an extreme privilege.

 

For example, 100 people audition for a project. 12 black and 88 non black. They need 30 people. The cast ends up with 6 black people and 24 non black people. That means that 50% of black people that audition is actually hired versus 27% of other races. That is what is happening all the time now.

 

The only reason I am bringing this up is to give you a reality check. I am not the one complaining about it.

Is it fair? No. One could wonder what is the reason behind it. Some kind of pressure for mandatory black casting getting out of hand or black people being enormously more talented. Either way, complaining at this point in time is a little out of place. To say the least.

 

 

 

 

 

Updated On: 2/9/16 at 08:15 AM

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 2/9/16 at 9:57am

You need the reality check.  If you think two black men playing the Phantom of the Opera for a number of months in two companies of many over decades and decades of performances in dozens of places equals "extreme percentage," as I said your math and understanding of statistics is low-grade.

 

Yes, it's great for those two guys.  But it's a drop in the bucket in the grand scheme of casting.

 

I hope you finally get it now.

[Dave19]

Posted: 2/9/16 at 2:19pm

This is about the amount of working actors, not about the amount that play your favorite role.

 

Got it? 50% versus 27 % of working actors per race. That difference is huge.

 

12% versus 88% of the population. OF COURSE chances are bigger that a non-black person gets cast as Phantom. Because every time they cast the role and invite 50 actors to audition, only 6 are black. 

So an 88% chance a non-black guy gets the role.

 

So what does it mean that the amount of working actors, percentage wise, is so high in blacks?

[BeadleDeedle]

Posted: 2/9/16 at 2:27pm

You think casting directors "invite" actors to auditions based on racial population statistics? You're delusional and know nothing about the industry.

 

I'm sure Phantom's casting directors have consistently made sure that 12% of their auditionees for the Phantom are black. What a joke. 

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 2/9/16 at 4:43pm

 

Samantha Bee explains how addressing disparity is an actual process that takes conscious effort. 

 

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/10/arts/television/samantha-bee-prepares-to-break-up-late-night-tvs-boys-club.html?ref=arts&_r=0