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Javero, all fine and well, but you do realize that playing the victim role like that is placing white men on an even higher pedestal?

The only lesson those organizations teach is that certain people are not meant to be mainstream.

And those gender and race fixated awards might give insecure people a little self esteem, so it hopefully grows so they can eventually take part in the mainstream awards. But it does not change the mainstream world in the way they want, in fact, it changes the mainstream world in the opposite way. Bigger gap. Less respect. If you don't see that consequence, you have a problem.

Updated On: 2/8/16 at 07:34 AM

I get the impression that Dave is young.

His points seem to be lacking the reality that experience brings.

Like a late teen who's never wrong and knows everything even though they've barely poked their head out into the real world.

That is a very powerful and gripping video. Thanks for sharing, FN!

Updated On: 2/8/16 at 12:54 PM

Without celebration, and assertion, you would see no black people anywhere in American media. NONE.

Without that "separated world" as you mischaracterize it, you would never know black artists exist. It's not mainstream white culture that has built the bridges you know.

"Every black person that achieved something (in entertainment, politics, everything) did that because he went for the mainstream world. Not because they created their own little world."

That has not been consistent with my experience as a person black in the USA. Each of us accepts and upholds a bi-cultural existence. I do NOT aspire to be white, brown, or any other specifier. Why? Because this side of the pond black is more than a color in the hearts of minds of those like me. I no longer care enough about this thread to expand on the topic. If you do not self-identify as black, don't you dare attempt to appropriate my personal narrative or those of my brethren and sisters of the African diaspora as if it's yours to trade. Stay in your lane mate!

Updated On: 2/8/16 at 07:39 PM

You really should learn. Something. How old are you, anyway?

"No. The world is one lane. Feel free to join."

No thanks. There's only room for one in that fictional world you've conjured up.

javero said: ""No. The world is one lane. Feel free to join."

No thanks. There's only room for one in that fictional world you've conjured up.

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The mainstream world isn't fictional.

I don't think you understand how random works or what a real random sample would reveal to you, junior.

Look, a black man in the US has told you what his experience as a black man in the US is like, and you come back with your imaginary dream world and call it "mainstream." Just contemplate for a while that perhaps the voice of a black man in the US is better informed about race issues in the US than you are. Just contemplate that.

javero said: "

If I’m following your logic, on the present trajectory, 100% mainstreamed black actors will soon occupy every conceivable acting job on stage and screen alike. Is that something that passes muster with you?"

You mean things like a black Phantom, a black Marty, a black Enjolras, a black Valjean, a black Carlotta, black lawyers in films and series, a black Hermione, a black Babette, black judges, black politicians, black police investigators, black doctors, surgeons, black FBI agents, etc?

Yep.

I am talking about the high percentages here. 12% of the population is black but much more than 12% of black people auditioning get hired. That is an extreme privilege.

For example, 100 people audition for a project. 12 black and 88 non black. They need 30 people. The cast ends up with 6 black people and 24 non black people. That means that 50% of black people that audition is actually hired versus 27% of other races. That is what is happening all the time now.

The only reason I am bringing this up is to give you a reality check. I am not the one complaining about it.

Is it fair? No. One could wonder what is the reason behind it. Some kind of pressure for mandatory black casting getting out of hand or black people being enormously more talented. Either way, complaining at this point in time is a little out of place. To say the least.

Updated On: 2/9/16 at 08:15 AM

This is about the amount of working actors, not about the amount that play your favorite role.

Got it? 50% versus 27 % of working actors per race. That difference is huge.

12% versus 88% of the population. OF COURSE chances are bigger that a non-black person gets cast as Phantom. Because every time they cast the role and invite 50 actors to audition, only 6 are black.

So an 88% chance a non-black guy gets the role.

So what does it mean that the amount of working actors, percentage wise, is so high in blacks?

Samantha Bee explains how addressing disparity is an actual process that takes conscious effort.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/10/arts/television/samantha-bee-prepares-to-break-up-late-night-tvs-boys-club.html?ref=arts&_r=0