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#1177
Posted: 6/25/10 at 3:55pm
I was SO pleased to see Rory back, then I was SO sad all over again. I couldn't see any vaguely sensible way of keeping him after he'd been killed, wiped from existence, and brought back but as an Auton created out of a photograph (or a memory of a photograph or something). But that clip is interesting! The background music starts getting a little bit jaunty right at the end; what does *that* signify?!
I want to keep Rory and I want it to happen in a way that doesn't make me cross at its silliness.
AND I'M AT THE THEATRE WHEN WHO IS ON DAGNABBIT SO WILL HAVE TO WAIT TO WATCH IT! *dies*
I want to keep Rory and I want it to happen in a way that doesn't make me cross at its silliness.
AND I'M AT THE THEATRE WHEN WHO IS ON DAGNABBIT SO WILL HAVE TO WAIT TO WATCH IT! *dies*
#1178
Posted: 6/26/10 at 2:20pm
SPOILERSSSSSSSSSSS
I posted this somewhere else, but it sums up pretty much how I feel about this finale:
I was really disappointed
I thought the whole thing was Moffat trying to be clever but explaining very little while doing so. Smith was a bit Tennant like (Well, well, well...) and the episode seemed to jump around too much. The whole pacing of it seemed uneven and the explanation and resolution of everything was a bit too fairy-tale for my liking. I mean, Amy being able to resurrect people with her memories? That's worse than aything RTD did, with the possible exception of the Arch Angel network thingy, because it's a reset based on something that is extremely vague. I mean, a memory? Amy's memories?
And the whole happy ending means that there were no consequences for the series. At least RTD had emotional consequences. People were actually effected. But this just tried to fix everything with no repercussions what-so-ever.
And the Doctor was only in the Pandorica for about five minutes! Which renders the whole point of the previous episode useless!
I did like little Amelia and Rory.
I posted this somewhere else, but it sums up pretty much how I feel about this finale:
I was really disappointed
I thought the whole thing was Moffat trying to be clever but explaining very little while doing so. Smith was a bit Tennant like (Well, well, well...) and the episode seemed to jump around too much. The whole pacing of it seemed uneven and the explanation and resolution of everything was a bit too fairy-tale for my liking. I mean, Amy being able to resurrect people with her memories? That's worse than aything RTD did, with the possible exception of the Arch Angel network thingy, because it's a reset based on something that is extremely vague. I mean, a memory? Amy's memories?
And the whole happy ending means that there were no consequences for the series. At least RTD had emotional consequences. People were actually effected. But this just tried to fix everything with no repercussions what-so-ever.
And the Doctor was only in the Pandorica for about five minutes! Which renders the whole point of the previous episode useless!
I did like little Amelia and Rory.
"I'm sort of like a child genius without being a child or a genius."~Tim Rice-Oxley
#1179
Posted: 6/26/10 at 6:38pm
It's still sinking in but I liked it. Did I love it? I don't know. I think it wrapped things up WAY too neatly and felt like an almost different plot than what the first half was. I will say, though, that Steven Moffat is a genius in plotting. But, overall, I think past seasons (2, 3, and 4) were a lot more entertaining as a whole than this one. Nonetheless, though, I still really enjoyed the ride this season!
"They're eating her and then they're going to eat me. OH MY GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD!!!!" -Troll 2
#1180
Posted: 6/26/10 at 7:41pm
That alliance disappeared, for one thing.
It did leave a few cliff-hangers in regards to River and 'silence will fall' and who exploded the TARDIS, the latter of which I felt was a really bad idea, writing-wise, because the whole point of the finale is to solve the series-long problem. Without that, there really is no point, which is what I felt.
It did leave a few cliff-hangers in regards to River and 'silence will fall' and who exploded the TARDIS, the latter of which I felt was a really bad idea, writing-wise, because the whole point of the finale is to solve the series-long problem. Without that, there really is no point, which is what I felt.
"I'm sort of like a child genius without being a child or a genius."~Tim Rice-Oxley
#1181
Posted: 6/26/10 at 8:33pm
Tears and laughter...brilliant, really brilliant. I need to watch it again to get my head round it all, but I really loved it.
#1182
Posted: 6/27/10 at 5:08am
Steven Moffat interviewed by his own son directly after the episode:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zs1mIAMTE0c
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zs1mIAMTE0c
Updated On: 6/27/10 at 05:08 AM
#1183
Posted: 6/27/10 at 5:28pm
I was fine with it myself, and not just for fangirl reasons. Yes, it was a big ol' "let's press the reset button and everything will be okay!" ending, but they've been building up to it right from the very very first episode of this series. So while it was a reset button ending, it was not just a cop-out, and I found it emotionally satisfying (and anyone who looks for intellectual satisfaction in Doctor Who is quite possibly - and I say this with love - a little misguided). It'll certainly do me until the new series kicks off. :3
#1184
Posted: 6/27/10 at 8:38pm
The reviews I've seen -- a blog on the Guardian website and a review from Den of Geek -- were very positive and the comments attached to each were mostly positive.
Edited to add a clip of Matt making an appearance at Glastonbury, and playing along with Orbital as they played the Doctor Who theme.
Matt Smith at Glastonbury
Edited to add a clip of Matt making an appearance at Glastonbury, and playing along with Orbital as they played the Doctor Who theme.
Matt Smith at Glastonbury
Updated On: 6/27/10 at 08:38 PM
#1185
Posted: 6/28/10 at 3:51pm
I'm beginning to think that the only way to get out of the huge messes the Doctor Who universe gets into is by using a reset. All the time.
I already posted my negative (sort of) comments, but I do have a positive one. The scene where the Doctor talks to a sleeping Amelia in hopes she'll remember him, just because he goes into the crack, is simply beautiful. I feel like it's the best Matt Smith's been all series, and the best Moffat's written. I loved that scene.
I already posted my negative (sort of) comments, but I do have a positive one. The scene where the Doctor talks to a sleeping Amelia in hopes she'll remember him, just because he goes into the crack, is simply beautiful. I feel like it's the best Matt Smith's been all series, and the best Moffat's written. I loved that scene.
"I'm sort of like a child genius without being a child or a genius."~Tim Rice-Oxley
#1186
Posted: 6/28/10 at 7:08pm
Yeah, I agree that the "reset" thing is old and they should not do that for at least a couple of years.
"They're eating her and then they're going to eat me. OH MY GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD!!!!" -Troll 2
#1187
Posted: 6/29/10 at 12:52pm
When was the last time they did a "reset"? I thought it was Last of the Time Lords?
#1188
Posted: 6/30/10 at 10:29pm
Well...not so much a reset as having a sort of magic way to make everything better. Which I never minded all that much, given that there's no realistic way to save the whole universe (which has unrealistically gotten in trouble) except to do it in an unrealistic way.
"I'm sort of like a child genius without being a child or a genius."~Tim Rice-Oxley
#1189
Posted: 7/7/10 at 8:29pm
Check this out: an interview with David Tennant from the Isle of Man where they're filming Decoy Bride (I believe what he is wearing in the interview is for the film).
David Tennant Interview
David Tennant Interview
#1190
Posted: 7/7/10 at 9:35pm
Here's something else from SFX The Doctor Who awards. Be sure to read the one about Rory.
Doctor Who The Awards
Doctor Who The Awards
#1191
Posted: 7/7/10 at 10:49pm
"They're eating her and then they're going to eat me. OH MY GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD!!!!" -Troll 2
#1192
Posted: 7/7/10 at 11:53pm
ROFL... poor Rose, what a shock that must have been...
#1193
Posted: 7/8/10 at 2:26am
Man, I love that cartoon. The male-companion equivalent was also really cute.
As for the finale...I stopped trying to keep track of what was going on about 10 minutes in and just tried to enjoy the emotional stuff. And on that level, it worked pretty well - it didn't leave me a sobbing mess like the Van Gogh episode, but then it wasn't intended to. This is, I think, the happiest finale we've had in New Who. (The only RTD finale I'd describe as remotely happy is "The Parting of the Ways". He really was one for gloom and doom, wasn't he?)
Anyway, I think it's awesome that we're going to keep the three-person TARDIS team. It's something we've never had in the long term on New Who, and I don't think there's ever been a married couple on the TARDIS - the closest analogue might be Barbara and Ian way back with the First Doctor. So we have something new! Lovely. :) The Christmas special can't come quickly enough.
ETA: Spidey, you hated "Vincent and the Doctor"? Man, we're just doomed to disagree on everything, aren't we?
As for the finale...I stopped trying to keep track of what was going on about 10 minutes in and just tried to enjoy the emotional stuff. And on that level, it worked pretty well - it didn't leave me a sobbing mess like the Van Gogh episode, but then it wasn't intended to. This is, I think, the happiest finale we've had in New Who. (The only RTD finale I'd describe as remotely happy is "The Parting of the Ways". He really was one for gloom and doom, wasn't he?)
Anyway, I think it's awesome that we're going to keep the three-person TARDIS team. It's something we've never had in the long term on New Who, and I don't think there's ever been a married couple on the TARDIS - the closest analogue might be Barbara and Ian way back with the First Doctor. So we have something new! Lovely. :) The Christmas special can't come quickly enough.
ETA: Spidey, you hated "Vincent and the Doctor"? Man, we're just doomed to disagree on everything, aren't we?
Updated On: 7/8/10 at 02:26 AM
#1194
Posted: 7/8/10 at 7:10am
Plum - I never said I hated "Vincent and The Doctor." I said I hated the monster in that episode. It wasn't my favorite episode of the season, but it also wasn't the worst.
"They're eating her and then they're going to eat me. OH MY GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD!!!!" -Troll 2
#1195
Posted: 7/8/10 at 10:12am
I am in love with that picture...
I never minded the sad finales. This one certainly is something new, especially with a cliff-hanger for next year.
I never minded the sad finales. This one certainly is something new, especially with a cliff-hanger for next year.
"I'm sort of like a child genius without being a child or a genius."~Tim Rice-Oxley
#1196
Posted: 7/8/10 at 4:07pm
Ah. I agree; the monster was a bit mishandled, but it became a lot more comprehensible to me at the end, when I suddenly realized it was the "monster" of depression - invisible to everyone but the sufferer, painful and potentially deadly, etc.
But the real reason the monster story didn't work is because Curtis didn't care about it much - he backgrounded it to the story of a few days of deep friendship between Van Gogh, Amy, and the Doctor. And that part, I thought, worked really well, even if the last few minutes of the episode laid it on too thick. The cinematography in that episode was jaw-droppingly gorgeous, too. How can you not love the "Starry Night" scene?
Doctor Who makes an annual tradition out of visiting historical artists and creative types, but this is the first time I feel that it actually addressed the process of creativity more than tangentially, and it handled it really well. Van Gogh was important as a character, not just as a nifty historical cameo. (Not that I mind nifty historical cameos, mind you.)
*cough* Anyway, as if my rambling didn't make it abundantly clear, I loved the episode, flaws and all. It left me a total sobbing wreck at the end and for a good fifteen minutes or so afterwards. Curtis has either had depression or had a very close relationship with someone who had it, because the portrayal of the disease was about as sensitive and well-done as I've ever seen.
But the real reason the monster story didn't work is because Curtis didn't care about it much - he backgrounded it to the story of a few days of deep friendship between Van Gogh, Amy, and the Doctor. And that part, I thought, worked really well, even if the last few minutes of the episode laid it on too thick. The cinematography in that episode was jaw-droppingly gorgeous, too. How can you not love the "Starry Night" scene?
Doctor Who makes an annual tradition out of visiting historical artists and creative types, but this is the first time I feel that it actually addressed the process of creativity more than tangentially, and it handled it really well. Van Gogh was important as a character, not just as a nifty historical cameo. (Not that I mind nifty historical cameos, mind you.)
*cough* Anyway, as if my rambling didn't make it abundantly clear, I loved the episode, flaws and all. It left me a total sobbing wreck at the end and for a good fifteen minutes or so afterwards. Curtis has either had depression or had a very close relationship with someone who had it, because the portrayal of the disease was about as sensitive and well-done as I've ever seen.
#1197
Posted: 7/8/10 at 5:04pm
Oh, I agree. Them laying on the grass and the sky turned into "Starry Night" is one of my all time favorite things on any television show. I just wish there was no real monster but only Van Gogh fighting his inner demons (which even could have manifested somehow, externally). That weakened the overall episode for me, but I liked it a lot.
"They're eating her and then they're going to eat me. OH MY GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD!!!!" -Troll 2
#1198
Posted: 7/8/10 at 6:23pm
I don't see why anyone wouldn't love an invisible turkey-lizard monster.
#1199
Posted: 7/8/10 at 7:26pm
only fried and served with some mashed potatoes and green beans.
"They're eating her and then they're going to eat me. OH MY GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD!!!!" -Troll 2
#1200
Posted: 7/8/10 at 9:42pm
Absolutely loved, loved the starry night scene. Funnily enough after that episode aired, I noticed that one of my neighbors had one of those windshield shades, and the picture on it was Starry Night!
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