Are you pro-choice or pro-"life"? — Page 3

"If you're going to place stipulations about in which instances a woman should "have" to have the baby, then you are not pro choice at all."

Well, this is what I said yesterday, and although it's one short statement, it's succinct. You're either pro choice or you aren't. No stipulations.

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Watch out, nails! We're armed, and taking no prisoners!

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Pro-choice.

If I was a woman, I honestly don't know if I could go through with one, but I would never deny the right to someone else as long as it wasn't being used as a form of birth control.

If it were made illegal, it would still exist...it would just go underground and become more dangerous.

"Jane hit the nail right on the head, "

thank you, ghost! I've been wanting to hit a nail on the head for so long!

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Why are you questioning my beliefs? I didn't question your beliefs, and you are the one who asked the question in the first place.

You can't change my mind, and we can't get you off of here, so just respect my opinion please.

This is the position that always amuses me. I'm pro choice. You're pro life. You're asking me to respect your opinion but at the same time the vast majority of people who share your opinion wants to have my opinion be illegal.

I don't want to stop anyone from being Pro-Life if that is what they choose. The issue is that we should all have that choice.

I got to admit I am pro-life, and I am the Sarah Palin type of pro-lifer myself. It really is very black or white for me. Shades of grey don't exist.

Take that as you may.

Another thing I don't like about pro-choice vs pro-life is that it makes discussion very difficult. The two sides worked so hard picking the most effective name for their opinions that the two aren't mututally exclusive and it is difficult to tell EXACTLY where people stand.

Urban, are you pro-life in that you think abortion is terrible and you would never have one (putting gender aside)? Are you pro-life in that you think abortion is terrible and no one should ever have one? Are you pro-life in that if someone said "Urban! It's down to you! Are we making abortion illegal or keeping it as is" that you would ban it outright?

Just want to make sure we're all on the same page. (Also, do you have a uterus?)

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It can't survive outside of it's mother at that point so while it may be a life form it isn't "alive".

It's not unlike a parasite and it's host.

That said - I'm one of those pro-choice people who would choose life and would prefer others to choose life, but I respect their right to choose.

Updated On: 9/11/08 at 10:16 AM

It's not the worst reason. It's a pretty good reason. Why are people so obsessed with creating genetic clones of themselves when there are millions of children out there who aren't just a mass of potential, they already exist, and they need love? If you gave me half an hour, I could dig out newspaper articles backing up the fact that the last thing the environment needs is more people. I am multi-tasking right now though, so am running around between posts. XP

I think it boils down to: are you pure pro-life (no abortion for anyone for any reason), are you pro-life and pro-choice (you don't like abortion but you wouldn't outlaw it), or are you pure pro-life (let the person whose uterus it is decide, no questions or stipulations)?

I'm pretty sure that pro-choice people are also pro-life. :P

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Updated On: 9/11/08 at 10:21 AM

It's illegal to kill the egg of an eagle, but abortion is legal. Very interesting...

That's pretty easy to understand. The bald eagle is an endangered species. Humans certainly are not!

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Actually, I will fling one link out there:

Doctors' advice to Britons: have fewer children and help save the planet
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/jul/25/population.health

And here's another one that doesn't prove any of my points, but is a nice example of a cross between pro-choice and pro-life and may prove interesting topic-related reading for y'all:

Abortion from a doctor's perspective
http://shine.yahoo.com/channel/health/abortion-from-a-doctor-s-perspective-251298/

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"I guess you could say, after all that, I'm pro-choice.... as long as someone isn't abusing the procedure."

You see, CJR-that's what we're saying though-if there are stipulations, then you're not pro-choice. If abortions are legal, a woman can have as many as she wants, for any reason.

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If it's your personal opinion and you know it's your personal opinion, why would you vote to impose your personal opinion on other people who do not share that opinion?

The debate isn't "is abortion a lovely fluffy thing filled with bunnies, or is it the most heinous evil ever rained down upon mankind?". The real issue, the one that is truly scary, is "is it right to say 'my opinion is better than yours, therefore I'm going to make this decision that will affect a great many people, especially the ones who don't agree with me'?".

No one's saying that abortion is a good thing or that women should go out and have millions. Christ, the real crux of this debate goes back at least as far as King Arthur legend: LET THE WOMAN CHOOSE FOR HERSELF.

When you say "I'd ban abortion", you're not saying "I don't like abortion". You're saying "I don't think anyone should be allowed to choose abortion for themselves no matter what the circumstance". Gee. Thanks.

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