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#126

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Or in Palin's case, where the pregnancy isn't an issue til the 7th month!

Ooops, I'm crossing thread topics, aren't I? re: Are you pro-choice or pro-'life'?
#127

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Roe allows restrictions during the third trimester. However, I fully support choice during the third trimester if the life or health of the woman is at risk.

#128

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brd - in the third trimester, under the circumstances you describe, I would think you're balancing one life already in progress with one that only exists as a 'potential' - I can't imagine anyone arguing with that choice. But may I assume that, if the mother's health isn't in question, you would be against said same choice?

Again, the question for me becomes, where do you draw the line?
#129

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Third trimester abortions account for about 1% of all abortions, give or take, which means that 99% of abortions occur before the third trimester. Most occur before the end of the first. I mention this because I think the line is pretty clearly drawn already. I think the circumstance already have to be extenuating to get an abortion that late. It's hard question to answer, I guess.

I DO want to take this time to point out that any woman who is pro-choice, sexually active and without the desire to have a child at this time should already know where she can get access to Plan B, should unprotected sex arise. Or the condom can break. Or whatever. I think being proactive could reduce the number of clinic abortions, which I think is something all people who are pro-choice want.
#130

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Q, I do not have an answer to your question as to life. I can understand restrictions during the third trimester, but I would include mental health as an exception.

Updated On: 9/11/08 at 10:59 PM

#131

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A full-term pregnancy is 37-40 weeks. The American Association of Pediatrics indicates that babies born at less than 23 weeks of age and 400 grams in weight are not considered viable. The mortality rate for infants born at 23 weeks is 70 percent, according to the National Institutes of Health. There is no known baby born at less than 23 weeks in gestational age that has ever survived. About 500,000 infants are born prematurely each
year.

Abortifacts
#132

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G of K - I kind of figured the stats were skewed that way, but the extent of it surprises me. I agree that the 'line in the sand' seems pretty much drawn, but I would think coming up with some actual demarcation point is the 'solution' to the issue.

I don't see extremist attitudes on either end of the situation being assuaged (in ANY given discussion,) but I think that approach might be the one to at least find an arena in which society can continue playing.
#133

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Jane2-- in response to this: (and I'm only finally responding now because I didn't get out of the office until 8:30pm)

"You see, CJR-that's what we're saying though-if there are stipulations, then you're not pro-choice. If abortions are legal, a woman can have as many as she wants, for any reason."

But I am pro-choice. However I PERSONALLY believe it's wrong to abuse it and use it as a form of birth control. BIRTH CONTROL (in all it's forms) IS READILY AVAILABLE FOR A REASON.
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#134

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"BIRTH CONTROL (in all it's forms) IS READILY AVAILABLE FOR A REASON."

But NEVER 100% certain, hence the need for this discussion.

My sister was using three - THREE - different forms of birth control during each of the pregnancies she carried to term.
#135

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" BIRTH CONTROL (in all it's forms) IS READILY AVAILABLE FOR A REASON."

And Q, I was about to say that I was using 2 kinds of birth control when I got pregnant.
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#138

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I haven't read this whole thread, so I'm not sure if this has been pointed out yet, but is anyone else surprised that MTF3 actually started an intellectually interesting thread?
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#139

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It was pointed out, trekkie.

I also find it amusing that once it became a legitimate conversation rather than a giant fight, they disappeared.
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#140

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Fertile? Mrs Brd and I had three children in two selected cycles? Now, that is fertile!
#141

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Q, I think society is pretty much okay with the status quo, you know? I could be wrong, but I'd guess that even the people in this thread who are stridently pro-life aren't actively campaigning for the cause.

The problem with your question, as I see it, is because of the lunatic fringe that actively campaign to make abortion illegal, it doesn't matter how far the the pro-choice crowd would bend.
#142

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G of K - I tend to agree with you. Those that argue the extreme right's position only do so from a religious foundation, so I think their desperate clinging has more to do with their need for their religion than with the issue itself. I tend to feel that way about the gay rights stuff, as well.

Until we get to a point where mythology isn't allowed to determine civil operation, this is where we stand.

Updated On: 9/11/08 at 11:32 PM

#143

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Kringas! You're back! Wait, I forget, do I like you, or do you aggravate the pain in my back caused by two recent spinal fusion surgeries?
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#144

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K, society may be satisfied with the status quo, but that will be changed if McCain is elected. Justice Stevens is older than PalJoey and he cannot stay on the Court forever.

The real problem is that women in rural areas have NO access to choice.
#145

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Legal , safe , rare
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#146

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Brd, I totally agree with you. That's why I hope your pleas aren't falling on deaf ears. Any society that doesn't allow a woman full control over body is beyond draconian.

Q, I agree with you as well. The lunatic fringe is also anti-birth control and anti-sex education, so there's no room for them to wiggle.

Trekkie, I don't think you hate me, but I dunno.
#147

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Oh definitely not yelling. Just being emphatic.

I realize that birth control is not 100% effective.

There was a reason why I prefaced my initial post with the fact that Im torn down the middle and unable to say with complete certainty that I'm either pro-choice or pro-life. I believe that every woman has the right to choose what she does with her body. But I personally do not agree with women who are simply careless and abuse the fact that abortions are available to them.

Nor do I personally agree with the person who tells me i HAVE to carry the baby to term. No, no I don't. I may be a fairly devout, practicing Catholic, but that's my decision, not yours. And as for my eternal damnation, well that's between me and God when I get to the pearly gates.
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#148

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It can't survive outside of it's mother at that point so while it may be a life form it isn't "alive".

It's not unlike a parasite and it's host.

That said - I'm one of those pro-choice people who would choose life and would prefer others to choose life, but I respect their right to choose.


That's exactly how I feel.

I will never under the stand the argument that life begins at conception. There are countless fertilized eggs that never progress to pregnancy. For whatever reason, the cells don't separate, they're not viable, they don't implant properly, whatever. This all happens within days and early weeks of conception and oftentimes, the useless fertilized egg passes through with the woman none the wiser. Ectopic pregnancies aren't babies, they're cancers. How can you call something like that a "life" when nature never meant for it to develop into a viable entity? Sperm plus egg doesn't automatically equal a baby.


However, NO ONE in the 'pro-life' movement even mentions the foster care/adoption system and so, for me, I can't see evidence that we Americans are too concerned with the life of a child.

Of course not. Pro-life Americans are completely concerned with the lives of healthy white newborns.
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#149

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There's some fertile women on this planet, huh?

Too tired to contribute anything more constructive at this point, but men marrying into my mother's family often said that all you had to do was look at one of the McKenna women to get them pregnant. re: Are you pro-choice or pro-'life'? My mother has used it as a cautionary warning to encourage my safe sex habits. I know that my mother was on birth control when I was conceived, and it might have been the case for one or more of my three brothers.
#150

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"However, NO ONE in the 'pro-life' movement even mentions the foster care/adoption system and so, for me, I can't see evidence that we Americans are too concerned with the life of a child.
Of course not. Pro-life Americans are completely concerned with the lives of healthy white newborns."

Sweeping generalizations like this are not helpful to the discussion at hand and unfair to those of us who are actively involved in organizations such as Project Gabriel, The Nurturing Network and Birthright International.

"NO ONE"? Really?



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