Are you pro-choice or pro-"life"? — Page 6
Posted: 9/11/08 at 9:48pm
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Again, the question for me becomes, where do you draw the line?
Posted: 9/11/08 at 10:54pm
I DO want to take this time to point out that any woman who is pro-choice, sexually active and without the desire to have a child at this time should already know where she can get access to Plan B, should unprotected sex arise. Or the condom can break. Or whatever. I think being proactive could reduce the number of clinic abortions, which I think is something all people who are pro-choice want.
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Posted: 9/11/08 at 11:00pm
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Posted: 9/11/08 at 11:05pm
I don't see extremist attitudes on either end of the situation being assuaged (in ANY given discussion,) but I think that approach might be the one to at least find an arena in which society can continue playing.
Posted: 9/11/08 at 11:05pm
"You see, CJR-that's what we're saying though-if there are stipulations, then you're not pro-choice. If abortions are legal, a woman can have as many as she wants, for any reason."
But I am pro-choice. However I PERSONALLY believe it's wrong to abuse it and use it as a form of birth control. BIRTH CONTROL (in all it's forms) IS READILY AVAILABLE FOR A REASON.
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Posted: 9/11/08 at 11:08pm
But NEVER 100% certain, hence the need for this discussion.
My sister was using three - THREE - different forms of birth control during each of the pregnancies she carried to term.
Posted: 9/11/08 at 11:10pm
And Q, I was about to say that I was using 2 kinds of birth control when I got pregnant.
Posted: 9/11/08 at 11:11pm
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And CJR why are you yelling?
Posted: 9/11/08 at 11:16pm
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I also find it amusing that once it became a legitimate conversation rather than a giant fight, they disappeared.
Posted: 9/11/08 at 11:21pm
Posted: 9/11/08 at 11:25pm
The problem with your question, as I see it, is because of the lunatic fringe that actively campaign to make abortion illegal, it doesn't matter how far the the pro-choice crowd would bend.
Posted: 9/11/08 at 11:32pm
Until we get to a point where mythology isn't allowed to determine civil operation, this is where we stand.
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The real problem is that women in rural areas have NO access to choice.
Posted: 9/11/08 at 11:39pm
Posted: 9/11/08 at 11:48pm
Q, I agree with you as well. The lunatic fringe is also anti-birth control and anti-sex education, so there's no room for them to wiggle.
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Posted: 9/11/08 at 11:50pm
I realize that birth control is not 100% effective.
There was a reason why I prefaced my initial post with the fact that Im torn down the middle and unable to say with complete certainty that I'm either pro-choice or pro-life. I believe that every woman has the right to choose what she does with her body. But I personally do not agree with women who are simply careless and abuse the fact that abortions are available to them.
Nor do I personally agree with the person who tells me i HAVE to carry the baby to term. No, no I don't. I may be a fairly devout, practicing Catholic, but that's my decision, not yours. And as for my eternal damnation, well that's between me and God when I get to the pearly gates.
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Posted: 9/11/08 at 11:56pm
It's not unlike a parasite and it's host.
That said - I'm one of those pro-choice people who would choose life and would prefer others to choose life, but I respect their right to choose.
That's exactly how I feel.
I will never under the stand the argument that life begins at conception. There are countless fertilized eggs that never progress to pregnancy. For whatever reason, the cells don't separate, they're not viable, they don't implant properly, whatever. This all happens within days and early weeks of conception and oftentimes, the useless fertilized egg passes through with the woman none the wiser. Ectopic pregnancies aren't babies, they're cancers. How can you call something like that a "life" when nature never meant for it to develop into a viable entity? Sperm plus egg doesn't automatically equal a baby.
However, NO ONE in the 'pro-life' movement even mentions the foster care/adoption system and so, for me, I can't see evidence that we Americans are too concerned with the life of a child.
Of course not. Pro-life Americans are completely concerned with the lives of healthy white newborns.
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Posted: 9/12/08 at 3:11am
Too tired to contribute anything more constructive at this point, but men marrying into my mother's family often said that all you had to do was look at one of the McKenna women to get them pregnant.
Posted: 9/12/08 at 7:51am
Of course not. Pro-life Americans are completely concerned with the lives of healthy white newborns."
Sweeping generalizations like this are not helpful to the discussion at hand and unfair to those of us who are actively involved in organizations such as Project Gabriel, The Nurturing Network and Birthright International.
"NO ONE"? Really?
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