#26
Posted: 11/18/14 at 9:28am
"Breaking Bad" and "Hannibal" are exquisitely written.
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#27
Posted: 11/18/14 at 10:51am
I agree about all but the last season of Roseanne.
The episode of the death of Roseanne's dad is beautifully written. It still makes me laugh out loud and tear up at the end. Both Barr and Metcalfe won Emmy's for that episode.
The episode of the death of Roseanne's dad is beautifully written. It still makes me laugh out loud and tear up at the end. Both Barr and Metcalfe won Emmy's for that episode.
"Carson has combined his passion for helping children with his love for one of Cincinnati's favorite past times - cornhole - to create a unique and exciting event perfect for a corporate outing, entertaining clients or family fun."
"In Oz, the verb is douchifizzation." PRS
"In Oz, the verb is douchifizzation." PRS
#29
Posted: 11/18/14 at 2:32pm
Mary Tyler Moore
The Dick Van Dyke Show
The Good Wife
Will & Grace
Family
The Dick Van Dyke Show
The Good Wife
Will & Grace
Family
#30
Posted: 11/18/14 at 5:32pm
Don't think I've seen Arrested Development mentioned, so I will.
#31
Posted: 11/18/14 at 5:42pm
doodle - that was one of the best Roseanne episodes, to be sure. Roseanne really grew as an actress over the course of the show, too.
#32
Posted: 11/18/14 at 8:22pm
I've been slowly rewatching Family (which Carlos mentioned,) and it really is heads and shoulders above any other domestic drama I can think of from its time. Of course ithas a great pedigree of writers (many of whom only wrote one or two episodes--apparently their writing room didn't work like most modern ones,) and indirectly led to the superb Herskovitz/Zwick domestic dramas (thirtysomething, My So-Called Life and Once and Again) since they met writing on the show. It's too bad only two seasons are on DVD. The "gay" episode must have been mind blowing in 1976 (or '77?). Yes it comes off as a bit ham fisted, but it's also honest and moving (of course the gay best friend apparently never returned to town, but...)
I have a hard time comparing, say, some British dramas (which are almost always written by just one writer and have short runs,) and cable dramas from the modern era (which is a somewhat similar situation,) with network shows from the 70s or network shows from the past ten years. The way TV is written and produced is just so different in all of those instances, it hardly seems fair.
I have a hard time comparing, say, some British dramas (which are almost always written by just one writer and have short runs,) and cable dramas from the modern era (which is a somewhat similar situation,) with network shows from the 70s or network shows from the past ten years. The way TV is written and produced is just so different in all of those instances, it hardly seems fair.
#33
Posted: 11/18/14 at 8:26pm
Here's a link to the "gay" Family episode, Rites of Friendship from its first full season (it had a short "try out" season the previous spring--with a different older daughter as she was replaced by Meredith Baxter.) Yes, as I said a lot of it does seem TV drama of its time obvious in retrospect, but still the acting and writing, and the subject matter, is pretty astonishing for a 1976 American network tv family drama (I don't think The Waltons ever touched this.)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DT6KTaV_WIs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DT6KTaV_WIs
#34
Posted: 11/18/14 at 9:54pm
I also agree The Good Wife, imo is probably the best show currently on television. The writing has remained consistently top notch throughout all six seasons!!
#35
Posted: 11/19/14 at 12:07am
"I've been slowly rewatching Family (which Carlos mentioned,) and it really is heads and shoulders above any other domestic drama I can think of from its time."
How many do you know from its time?
I recall it as heavy-handed, sanctimonious, and just about unwatchable.
"the superb Herskovitz/Zwick domestic dramas (thirtysomething,"
"Superb," you say? Thirtysomething, "superb?!?! " You've got to be kidding. Tell us, please, that you are kidding. That thing was absolutely ghastly, and obnoxious beyond belief! The age of narcissistic navel gazing ushered in with a vengeance.
Oh, for the days of Our Miss Brooks and December Bride!
How many do you know from its time?
I recall it as heavy-handed, sanctimonious, and just about unwatchable.
"the superb Herskovitz/Zwick domestic dramas (thirtysomething,"
"Superb," you say? Thirtysomething, "superb?!?! " You've got to be kidding. Tell us, please, that you are kidding. That thing was absolutely ghastly, and obnoxious beyond belief! The age of narcissistic navel gazing ushered in with a vengeance.
Oh, for the days of Our Miss Brooks and December Bride!
#37
Posted: 11/19/14 at 1:28am
Not an all-time great, but a new favorite... has anyone else been watching Bojack Horseman? Very funny, but can get pretty dark.
#38
Posted: 11/19/14 at 9:48am
"is pretty astonishing for a 1976 American network tv family drama (I don't think The Waltons ever touched this.)"
No, but Little House on the Prairie would have. For a family drama (set in the 1800s no less), they went way out there. Rape, pedophilia, menopause, drug addiction, infant death, women's rights, racism. I think the only issue they didn't tackle was gay rights.
No, but Little House on the Prairie would have. For a family drama (set in the 1800s no less), they went way out there. Rape, pedophilia, menopause, drug addiction, infant death, women's rights, racism. I think the only issue they didn't tackle was gay rights.
If anyone ever tells you that you put too much Parmesan cheese on your pasta, stop talking to them. You don't need that kind of negativity in your life.
#39
Posted: 11/19/14 at 9:56am
"Superb," you say? Thirtysomething, "superb?!?! " You've got to be kidding. Tell us, please, that you are kidding. That thing was absolutely ghastly, and obnoxious beyond belief! The age of narcissistic navel gazing ushered in with a vengeance."
This is actually one of the reasons I posted the question.
I think when we see an original show, we're watching it in the current culture norms. Only with distance can you really tell if the writing is good enough to stand the test of time. And thirtysomething proves this.
I remember watching thirtysomething during its original airing. It was a show that everyone would talk about at work. I revisited it a few years ago and was shocked at how narcissistic it was. Hope and Michael standing over the crib of their newborn baby saying they hope it wouldn't grow up to be ugly. Ellyn having a meltdown because she was afraid Hope wouldn't have enough time to be her friend with a new baby. I had thought that the show was better than that and realized it wasn't as great as I thought it was. But it was a series that was trying to capitalize on the frenzy of St. Elmo's Fire.
This is actually one of the reasons I posted the question.
I think when we see an original show, we're watching it in the current culture norms. Only with distance can you really tell if the writing is good enough to stand the test of time. And thirtysomething proves this.
I remember watching thirtysomething during its original airing. It was a show that everyone would talk about at work. I revisited it a few years ago and was shocked at how narcissistic it was. Hope and Michael standing over the crib of their newborn baby saying they hope it wouldn't grow up to be ugly. Ellyn having a meltdown because she was afraid Hope wouldn't have enough time to be her friend with a new baby. I had thought that the show was better than that and realized it wasn't as great as I thought it was. But it was a series that was trying to capitalize on the frenzy of St. Elmo's Fire.
If anyone ever tells you that you put too much Parmesan cheese on your pasta, stop talking to them. You don't need that kind of negativity in your life.
#41
Posted: 11/19/14 at 11:49am
The Good Wife
Parenthood
The Sopranos
Judging Amy
NYPD Blue
Law and Order ( the Jerry Orbach years)
Little House (before Mary lost her sight)
Alfred Hitchcock Presents
I Love Lucy
Parenthood
The Sopranos
Judging Amy
NYPD Blue
Law and Order ( the Jerry Orbach years)
Little House (before Mary lost her sight)
Alfred Hitchcock Presents
I Love Lucy
#42
Posted: 11/19/14 at 1:43pm
That Little House rape episode traumatized me (and many) for life.
I dunno, I think thirtysomething, the later seasons especially hold up--for me (though I think overall the writing for Once and Again was better.) I will say when I watched it for the first time a few years back (I was too young for it when it aired originally,) the early episodes are *exactly* what its critics complained about. The pilot in particular is cringe inducing, but--again for me--it found its footing pretty quickly.
Maybe I need to watch Our Miss Brooks. Can I borrow your kinescopes, After8?
I dunno, I think thirtysomething, the later seasons especially hold up--for me (though I think overall the writing for Once and Again was better.) I will say when I watched it for the first time a few years back (I was too young for it when it aired originally,) the early episodes are *exactly* what its critics complained about. The pilot in particular is cringe inducing, but--again for me--it found its footing pretty quickly.
Maybe I need to watch Our Miss Brooks. Can I borrow your kinescopes, After8?
#43
Posted: 11/19/14 at 4:22pm
"I revisited it a few years ago and was shocked at how narcissistic it was. "
I found it as such the minute it aired. Appalling!
"Maybe I need to watch Our Miss Brooks."
Don't bother. It's definitely not for you.
I found it as such the minute it aired. Appalling!
"Maybe I need to watch Our Miss Brooks."
Don't bother. It's definitely not for you.
#44
Posted: 11/19/14 at 5:05pm
Six Feet Under, warts and all. Best final episode of any TV show ever.
#45
Posted: 11/19/14 at 5:52pm
I feel like I'm missing out with Our Miss Brooks 
SFU is up there for me too, despite some seasons that felt directionless.
A8 aside from coming on here to hate on my choices, what are yours? (I mean aside from Our Miss Brooks...)
In thirtysomething's defense, by the time they got midway through season 1 I feel they also knew that the yuppie characters were not totally sympathetic--they were warts and all characters, not characters the writers thought audiences should agree and completely relate to.
Oh I found an Our Miss Brooks episode! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAb_xYzcKFY&list=PLAACB872395737496&index=21
SFU is up there for me too, despite some seasons that felt directionless.
A8 aside from coming on here to hate on my choices, what are yours? (I mean aside from Our Miss Brooks...)
In thirtysomething's defense, by the time they got midway through season 1 I feel they also knew that the yuppie characters were not totally sympathetic--they were warts and all characters, not characters the writers thought audiences should agree and completely relate to.
Oh I found an Our Miss Brooks episode! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAb_xYzcKFY&list=PLAACB872395737496&index=21
#46
Posted: 11/19/14 at 7:31pm
You have to watch Our Miss Brooks for Eve Arden's dry comic delivery.
If anyone ever tells you that you put too much Parmesan cheese on your pasta, stop talking to them. You don't need that kind of negativity in your life.
#47
Posted: 11/19/14 at 9:26pm
"A8 aside from coming on here to hate on my choices, what are yours?"
Uh... I came on this thread before you did, and stated mine.
Uh... I came on this thread before you did, and stated mine.
#48
Oh, for the days of Our Miss Brooks and December Bride!
You realize, of course, that posts like that cross the line into self-parody, don't you?
Posted: 11/19/14 at 9:31pm
Oh, for the days of Our Miss Brooks and December Bride!
You realize, of course, that posts like that cross the line into self-parody, don't you?
#49
Posted: 11/19/14 at 9:34pm
^
No I do not.
Because it's simply the truth.
No I do not.
Because it's simply the truth.
#50
Posted: 11/19/14 at 9:47pm
"doodle - that was one of the best Roseanne episodes, to be sure. Roseanne really grew as an actress over the course of the show, too."
During the run of The Other Place I was listening to an NPR piece with Laurie Metcalf and they talked about the series for a bit. Laurie mentioned that Roseanne was very open and willing to take direction and advice, especially during those early seasons, admitting that she did not come from an acting background of any sort and really relying on her co-stars, especially Laurie Metcalf and John Goodman, to really guide her through the process of finding and creating her character and voice on the show.
During the run of The Other Place I was listening to an NPR piece with Laurie Metcalf and they talked about the series for a bit. Laurie mentioned that Roseanne was very open and willing to take direction and advice, especially during those early seasons, admitting that she did not come from an acting background of any sort and really relying on her co-stars, especially Laurie Metcalf and John Goodman, to really guide her through the process of finding and creating her character and voice on the show.
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