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#1

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I heard someone say this morning that we need to stop referring to it as Gun Control and start referring to it as Gun Safety. I completely agree with this and think that's the way to get the country to start thinking of it as an issue that's not going to be stripping people of their "rights".
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Obviously people can't control their guns and that imperils the safety of the citizens of this country. I'm tired of **** footing around and looking for sensitive language so as not to offend these gun fetishists. Assault weapons need to be BANNED. If a person who has a certain amount of drugs can receive harsher sentences because of a supposed "intent to distribute," then citizens in possession of assault weapons after they are made illegal for the public should be presumed to have "intent to murder". Frig em all. We have been held hostage by the gun lobby for too long, and now that we know that the unlimited funds of the SuperPACs had absolutely no effect on the elections, well, it's time to realize that we can finally shut this s**t DOWN.
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#4

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Great point!
"Carson has combined his passion for helping children with his love for one of Cincinnati's favorite past times - cornhole - to create a unique and exciting event perfect for a corporate outing, entertaining clients or family fun."

"In Oz, the verb is douchifizzation." PRS

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Namo, you're absolutely right. Doesn't change the fact that without Pussyfooting around the issue, nothing will EVER get changed in this country. There's what's right and what's republican and ne'er the twain shall meet.
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Thanks for this thread. The other one should be left for the victims' stories and developments in the case.
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The p*ssyfooting has gotten us exactly nowhere. I got into a flame war on a close relative's Facebook wall because her yahoo friends shut down any discussion of change in gun lawys because "it won't work." These were supposedly sentient beings still repeating "guns don't kill people" bs instead of being ashamed for what this country's gun fetish has brought to us. Believe me, the fact that the killer's mother appears to be just like these "responsible" gun owners is an irony that was not lost on me and that did NOT go unmentioned by me several times today. The time is for action, no more bowing and scraping before their NRA soundbytes.
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What I've found amazing is the stats that I heard this weekend saying that SEVENTY FIVE PERCENT of NRA members want stricter gun control laws! SEVENTY FIVE F*CKING PERCENT OF THEM. That's what makes my head just spin.
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Pussyfooting is an American tradition and a pitfall of a republic. Massive change in one fell swoop is nearly impossible to accomplish; the few exceptions in our nation's history occurred under extraordinary circumstances. This is what happens when the actions of our leaders are to represent the people.

HOWEVER.

In this case, the people are not being represented. It is the voice of a few.

Massive change CAN be performed in this instance once the illusory power of the NRA is revealed for what it is.
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The very brilliant novelist Arthur Phillips has applied his writing skills to coming up with a draft of a 28th Amendment that would re-write the Second Amendment.

The idea is that it could be crafted into an amendment that would satisfy the agendas of both the right and the left.

The idea seems to be something we could all make happen in our lifetimes. Here are the five tenets:

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1) This 28th amendment supersedes the 2nd Amendment.

2) Every citizen has the right to own firearms suitable for hunting and/or self-defense.

3) However, each municipality and state may make such law as it sees fit to regulate if and where such weapons may be carried outside the home and in what quantity, and such limitations as it wishes to establish regarding a gun owner's minimum age, mental fitness and/or criminal history.

4) The Constitution of the United States establishes a democratic republic. It does not contain, in this amendment or elsewhere, an implicit right of the population to launch an armed rebellion against its own government.

5) Finally, a well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, each State may maintain a National Guard, and the Federal Government may maintain a military force for the protection of the nation.

Arthur says we we should feel free to share it.
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If ACORN, an organization that was demonized and taken down without ever doing anything wrong, it should be easy work to eradicate the NRA who worked so tirelessly to get rid of the assault weapons ban. They're accessories to child murder.
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#12

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The only thing remotely useful in that proposed amendment is the bit about the National Guard (since there is some fuzziness about its legitimacy under some arguments). States already have the authority to put restrictions on gun ownership and many states do. Even the Federal government has the right to impose restrictions and has done so in the past. There's also already verbiage in the Constitution pertaining to sedition.

The real problem with the debate is that many are unfamiliar with both guns AND the laws pertaining to them.

Prohibition laws never work.
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This is the subject on which I am most passionate as well as most frustrated. My personal opinion is that guns should be outlawed, other than rifles for hunting. Howewver, I have no realistic expectation that we will ever reach that, no matter how many tragedies occur, or how overwhelming the evidence is about gun violence. So, I'd completely support the text of the proposed amendment in PJ's post.

Comparing ACORN and the NRA is meaningless. The difference? Money. The NRA has it, and tons of it.
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So the Second Amendment just gets re-written as the 28th - redundancy rules?
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If you're not watching MSNBC's weekend morning show 'Up' with Chris Hayes, you should be. They're having a brilliant, albeit rather wonky, discussion on the prospects of gun control laws.
"It does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are 20 gods or no god. It neither picks my pocket, nor breaks my leg." -- Thomas Jefferson
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I'm all for taking assault weapons off the street - but the problem is how? Would making an amendment do it? I can just see it now - all those loonies pulling out their guns and screaming "over my dead body."

The far right just scares the hell out of me. Their insanity knows no limits and because of it they basically run this country. If 3/4 of the NRA wants stricter laws and they DON'T happen, it's because the other 1/4 are insane and have held talks hostage.

The rest of the country needs to come together to do something finally. We need to marginalize the craziness and put some sanity back into the country.
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all those loonies pulling out their guns and screaming "over my dead body."

Gosh, one would hate to see it come to that, but if they insist.
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*snort*

If people who say "Give guns to teachers!", can the same be said about bombs on planes? If I have a bomb and the terrorist has a bomb, will that stop the terrorist? Doubtful.

I don't have the statistics, but how many of these shooters survive? Not many. They go in knowing that either they'll kill themselves or the cops will do it for them. They're going to die.

Personally, I don't think teachers having weapons leads to a very productive learning environment.

Updated On: 12/16/12 at 11:22 AM

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Please, people who say things like that are just plain stupid. They live in the same fantasy world as Markety Mark Wahlberg who imagined if HE had been on one of those planes on 9/11 it would have been a totally different story.
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"The fundamental reason kids are dying in massacres like this one is not that we have lunatics or criminals — all countries have them — but that we suffer from a political failure to regulate guns."

"And don’t say that it won’t make a difference because crazies will always be able to get a gun. We’re not going to eliminate gun deaths, any more than we have eliminated auto accidents. But if we could reduce gun deaths by one-third, that would be 10,000 lives saved annually."
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Updated On: 12/16/12 at 11:44 AM

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Here are my two cents ...

I grew up around guns. My father was a licensed firearms dealer. I have owned guns throughout my life. I respect the 2nd Amendment (though I do believe the SCOTUS has erred in ignoring the "well armed militia" clause).

Serious gun regulation (not banning guns, but putting some reasonable controls on the types of guns that can be owned, how fast guns can discharge ammo, and requiring gun locks) is not a violation of the 2nd Amendment. Indeed, in light of the general welfare clause of the constitution I would argue that the Federal Government has the obligation to regulate the least among us to protect the rest of us.

If you want to hunt, well, fine. You don't need to fire 100 rounds a minute to hunt. Guns that fire hundreds of rounds in a very short period of time are designed for one thing - and we saw the consequences of such intended use on Friday.

Regulating access to certain types of guns and ammo is not inconsistent with respecting the rights granted under the 2nd Amendment.
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I am not opposed to regulation of guns, particularly assault weapons. And it may incrementally help prevent homicides including mass murders. However, especially with the millions of assault weapons we already have, I expect legal "solutions" will be as effective, or only slightly moreso, than the war on drugs. This doesn't mean they aren't worthwhile pursuing, but to look to them as anything more than a loose bandaid, is misguided.
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Perfectly said, YWIW!

Besides, I see people here in LA who can barely park their huge vehicles, that they have because it makes the feel 'safe'. If they can't park a car, what makes anyone think they should own a gun?
"TheatreDiva90016 - another good reason to frequent these boards less."<<>> “I hesitate to give this line of discussion the validation it so desperately craves by perpetuating it, but the light from logic is getting further and further away with your every successive post.” <<>> -whatever2
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If you're hunting for food, as any well respected hunter should, they're not going to want to destroy the meat with hundred of bullets anyway.

My grandfather, who was an avid hunter, would scoff at the idea of assault weapons and automatic weapons being used to hunt.

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