For All Those People Who Said Hillary was TOAST- Page 3
For All Those People Who Said Hillary was TOAST
#50some pot for every chicken
Posted: 1/9/08 at 10:15am
Anyone who calls Hillary cold and calculating, should examine closely the candidate that they are supporting.
Exactly, Mom. If you think Obama, Edwards, McCain, Romney and Huckabee are anything BUT cold and calculating, you're simply buying into their acts.
All politicians are cold and calculating. Only Hillary is pilloried for it.
#51some pot for every chicken
Posted: 1/9/08 at 10:19amthat's the main complaint against romney: that he's merely a cold, calculating campaign machine that will do or say anything to get elected.
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#52some pot for every chicken
Posted: 1/9/08 at 10:34am
"in defense of those who rushed to judgement, since '72 the democrat who won iowa and new hampshire has been the nominee in every primary save '92 when bubba broke all the rules and set the process on its ear. following a 9 point win in iowa, it was not unreasonable to assume that fingers might build on his success and take nh. had he done so - and every poll had him doing exactly that - it's not hard to see why people might have crowned him as the presumptive nominee."
True and it did look like it would happen.
Though I really hoped Edwards would have done a lot better , I got a kick out of the coverage last night.
It was fun watching the pundits have to eat their own words even though they never did totally acknowledge the fact that they were wrong.
I also got a guilty pleasure at seeing the looks on the Obamabots faces when they realized that their surge was indeed gone and not only would they not win by a large percentage but that they lost. If you listen to a typical Obamabot all they say is "Change, change, change, age , age, our time......" Ask them for a specific policy they agree with Obama on and they have nothing to say. It was nice to see them get a healthy dose of reality.
Having said that, I still think Obama will be the nominee - but not with my vote.
TheatreDiva90016
Broadway Legend Joined: 4/10/04
#53Hillary was choked up, she didn't cry.
Posted: 1/9/08 at 12:54pm
"and my feelings about her self-serving tears..."
Could you please show me where she had "self-serving tears"?
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Joined: 12/31/69
#54Hillary was choked up, she didn't cry.
Posted: 1/9/08 at 1:05pmDiva, facts never deter a die hard Clinton hater. I had a "friend" who loudly maintained throughout the 1992 campaign that the Clintons had a "Marriage of convenience" and in fact, were already divorced but that wouldn't be revealed until after the election. Then, it was going to be announced after Bill left office. Then, it was delayed so as not to damage HILARY'S campaign. Last week, he was claiming Hilary was going to drop out of the race, resign the senate and announce her 16 year old divorce from Bill all in one fell swoop.
#55Hillary was choked up, she didn't cry.
Posted: 1/9/08 at 1:09pm
Marc, go ahead... ask me. I can go on at length. A lot of Obama supporters can. Just because YOU haven't done the research doesn't mean the rest of us haven't.
The polls claim a relationship between level of education and supporting Obama. Students (who are probably following details better than old people) are coming out in droves for him. The fact of the matter is that educated people support Obama. The robots are the ones who support Hillary and I find this true of nearly everyone I speak to.
"I'm not really following but Bill was great so Hillary should be too" seems to be the universal logic. It's very frustrating.
This also seems to come up time and again in the news.
Also, you say:
"I'm for Edwards- but if he were to drop out of the race I will fully support Hillary."
Well, I think Edwards is more similar to Obama than Hillary so that's just bizarre.
"Could you please show me where she had "self-serving tears"? "
I don't know if her tears were genuine or not but the media certainly made a bigger deal out of it than they should've.
joey
#56Hillary was choked up, she didn't cry.
Posted: 1/9/08 at 1:10pm
I was oscillating between Clinton and Obama, but she really won me over with her performance in her last debate, and she in all likelihood will be receiving my vote Feb. 5. And it had nothing to do with Chris Matthews, Sean Hannity, gang-ups (unless you count that I liked the way she handled the Obama-Edwards double team).
And I don't think the Clinton hatred is as prevalent as some would like it to be. Yeah, it's still there, but it's amplified by a noisy few. Case in point: My parents were not exactly Clinton haters, but they never had anything kind to say about either Clinton during Bill's time in the White House. Now, they're both prepared to vote for Hillary after eight years of Bush.
Do you really think anyone so motivated by Clinton hatred would really vote for Obama or Edwards given the chance in a national election? Or even stay home? Believe me, they'll be given plenty of reasons by the Hannitys and the Limbaughs to hate either of them just as much.
Updated On: 1/9/08 at 01:10 PM
#57Hillary was choked up, she didn't cry.
Posted: 1/9/08 at 1:20pm
More significant than the crying moment was her "likability" moment suring the debate:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3DeCLPwxXI
#58Hillary was choked up, she didn't cry.
Posted: 1/9/08 at 1:20pm
What baffles me is why those who resort to name calling here don't speak to the issues themselves. So much is at stake in this race to the White House.
While I'm pleased that many Americans, especially of the 17 - 29 year old set and retirees, are waking up and making informed decisions based on something other raw emotion, gotta shake my head at others that are treating this election cycle as a high school popularity contest.
Please, point out where the candidates are deficient in their views and plans versus calling me a "retard" for filing a minority report from time to time on someone's "personal" favorite.
#59Hillary was choked up, she didn't cry.
Posted: 1/9/08 at 1:50pmEh, you're just a dumb Huckabee supporter.
#60Hillary was choked up, she didn't cry.
Posted: 1/9/08 at 1:50pmOK that's better than a retard LOL.
TheatreDiva90016
Broadway Legend Joined: 4/10/04
#61Hillary was choked up, she didn't cry.
Posted: 1/9/08 at 1:52pm
"I don't know if her tears were genuine or not but the media certainly made a bigger deal out of it than they should've."
Again, I've watched the clip and she NEVER cried. NO TEARS. She choked up, that's it.
#62Hillary was choked up, she didn't cry.
Posted: 1/9/08 at 1:54pm
It's just like "the cackle" or that time she was (accurately) quoting a spiritual and they tried to make it sound like she was speaking as such for the entire speech.
Meanwhile, McCain couldn't have sounded more bored in his speech last night, and he even bumbled over a word or two. Why aren't we picking that to pieces?
robbiej
Broadway Legend Joined: 5/20/03
#63Hillary was choked up, she didn't cry.
Posted: 1/9/08 at 2:03pm
Remember when Matthews went on and on about the cackle, but insisted is wasn't misogynistic because...well...just cause he said so?
To be honest, I have absolutely no idea who I'm voting for come Feb. 5. I'm thrilled my Obama's oratory skills. After 7 years of the stumbling, fumbling idiocy of that one that holding the office now, I was moved to tears by his victory speach in Iowa...mostly because I realized what we could have in a President.
I'm completely bowled over by Clinton's brilliance, work ethic and ability to continually define and redefine this race.
I've been drawn to Edwards for a while. His populist message resonates with me. Hell YES I'll pay more in taxes if I can get what my uncle who lives in France has...spectacular health care.
At this point, I have no clue how to cast my vote. And this race just got exciting enough that I think I'll find out more (much more) about these choices and that will lead me to my vote. But I do know one thing for sure. I will never, ever cast aspersions on anyone's intelligence or educational background for voting for one Democratic candidate over another. That's just ridiculous, immature and plain silly.
I, will, however GLADLY put down the intelligence of any Huckabee supporter.
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Joined: 12/31/69
#64Hillary was choked up, she didn't cry.
Posted: 1/9/08 at 2:09pmSo why in the world is someone who votes for Obama being called an "Obamabot"?
#65Hillary was choked up, she didn't cry.
Posted: 1/9/08 at 2:10pmRobbieJ--have I told you lately how much I love you?
robbiej
Broadway Legend Joined: 5/20/03
#66Hillary was choked up, she didn't cry.
Posted: 1/9/08 at 2:13pm
It's always nice to hear.
I know lots of people who think we're just driving the big blue bus over the cliff by focusing on Obama and Clinton. I don't know. I'm an idiot. I have more hope than that.
And there's always Canada.
robbiej
Broadway Legend Joined: 5/20/03
#68Hillary was choked up, she didn't cry.
Posted: 1/9/08 at 2:15pm
Oh French! Apparently, the bathhouses rock.
Apparently.
#70Hillary was choked up, she didn't cry.
Posted: 1/9/08 at 2:19pm
Whatever anyone wants to say about Hillary, she's a legend. And she made history again last night.
And I'm thrilled that history will indeed be made this year when we likely nominate either a woman or a black man. That alone speaks so much to my heart and I think it will to the world as well--especially if we continue to make history by electing that person.
But leaving all of that aside, I, too, am undecided. I lean heavily toward Clinton, but I would be happy with any of those 3.
And most of all, I'm thrilled that people are excited and passionate about our country and who will lead it. It IS time for that. It IS time for major change in this country. I hope we truly get it.
#71Hillary was choked up, she didn't cry.
Posted: 1/9/08 at 2:21pm
"Could you please show me where she had "self-serving tears"? "
I don't know if her tears were genuine or not but the media certainly made a bigger deal out of it than they should've.
Um, yeah, but they were spinning it negatively.
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#72Hillary was choked up, she didn't cry.
Posted: 1/9/08 at 2:35pm
And yesterday afternoon, her campaign was over--the tears were the last straw.
Then as soon as the results started, it was a brilliant moment.
And Toobin and Lou Dobbs at least had the guts to call the media out on it---when, indeed, their fellow CNN pundits were just as guilty.
#73Hillary was choked up, she didn't cry.
Posted: 1/9/08 at 2:36pm
Huckabee as top dog is beatable!!!
The GOP will rally around McCain if push comes to shove and a McCain-ModerateOutsider ticket makes me nervous. Thank goodness the Governator ain't eligible.
If Huckabee miraculously won, he'd be in for 4 years max before my party regrouped. As admirable as it is, Huckabee's tax reform plan would fail miserably and his views on the social issues too contentious. McCain would be a 2-term president which I couldn't tolerate.
There you have it, my worst case decision tree.
Regardless of the outcome, the pressure on the Democratic nominee is immense because if his/her ticket fails to pick up 270 electoral votes from the general election there will be no mercy from party loyalists. My fear is that a loss could spell the political end of Clinton and Edwards period. That's why I wrote before that time is on Obama's side. Reagan wasn't an overnight success either at the national level.
#74Hillary was choked up, she didn't cry.
Posted: 1/9/08 at 2:37pm
"Um, yeah, but they were spinning it negatively."
There's no such thing as bad press. For 48 hours the Clintons were in the news perpetually, a time period during which Hill cried (so what?), compared herself to Margaret Thatcher (inaccurate), Bill compared her to Nelson Mandela (preposterous), Hill undermined the importance of Martin Luther King Jr. to the civil rights movement, and Bill told a bunch of outright lies about Barack to the press.
There were a whole bunch of moments during those 48 hours that rightfully should have hurt Hillary a lot but didn't--all we saw was the cry, Hillary humanized. The press want Hillary in. The press know EXACTLY what they're doing.
I mention the above examples just to emphasize the sheer sense of self importance the Clintons have. I wonder who truly is indulging the fairy tale.
I'm hard on Hillary but that's just because I feel like nobody else is. Every candidate, whoever they are, must be scrutinized. Why is she being given a free experience and readiness pass?
"Do you really think anyone so motivated by Clinton hatred would really vote for Obama or Edwards given the chance in a national election? Or even stay home? Believe me, they'll be given plenty of reasons by the Hannitys and the Limbaughs to hate either of them just as much. "
Erm, Obama is motivating moderate republicans and independents in droves. They're a significant part of his constituency. The Republican party has admitted that it has no clue how to go after Obama. They don't take Edwards seriously. These guys are salivating over the prospect of Clinton getting the nom.
joey
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