HEATH/ JAKE SAG AWARDS?- Page 2

[Jane2]

Posted: 1/30/06 at 12:39am

::ahem:: it's "racist."

Thatis the correct spelling but incorrect word. The Guild wasn't racist here.

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 1/30/06 at 12:47am

I think people are being totally sexeist about this.

[BSoBW3]

Posted: 1/30/06 at 12:48am

Or sexiest?

[sabrelady]

Posted: 1/30/06 at 12:49am

Namo, we all know u is the sex- ay - est round here! (Woo Hoo!!)

[Jane2]

Posted: 1/30/06 at 12:53am

"I think people are being totally sexeist about this."

Oh DO you now? And would you like to define SEXEIST?

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 1/30/06 at 12:58am

Well, okay, Heath and Jake are gay, right? So anyway, not liking gays is called phobohomia or something and that totally has its roots in the hatred of women, who are known as the fairer sexe. So, people who hate women are known as sexeist, because it's sexeist to even use the term fairer sexe and fembinests reclaimed that word and made it a weapon.

That's why.

[BSoBW3]

Posted: 1/30/06 at 12:59am

Where do lesbians fall?

Fall?

[Jane2]

Posted: 1/30/06 at 1:01am

That's exactly what I thought, Nam.

[Kringas]

Posted: 1/30/06 at 1:02am

Historically, lesbians have always been an easier pill for straight men to swallow.

[BSoBW3]

Posted: 1/30/06 at 1:04am

I'm afraid to get into this.

Especialla round here.

And being one of the few...

[Kringas]

Posted: 1/30/06 at 1:07am

I don't think there's anything to get into, Bso. As a straight man on a Broadway world, I'd imagine you do have a more (for lack of a better word) enlightened view towards both gay men and lesbians. The fact remains, though, that for many a straight man, lesbians are no problem (especially if they're hot), but gay men are.

Updated On: 1/30/06 at 01:07 AM

[BSoBW3]

Posted: 1/30/06 at 1:10am

For me, it isn't one or the other.

I think it's more the way history is.

People in high places who have orgies - usually a man and two women.

So I think that just through history, two women have always been OK.

If that makes sense?

(Then again, you always learn about Kings and aristocrats being gay, etc.)

[Jane2]

Posted: 1/30/06 at 1:12am

Yeah, because they're not afraid they may actually BE a lesbian.

[Kringas]

Posted: 1/30/06 at 1:15am

That's an interesting point, Jane2. I hear a lot of people make the argument that homophobia is rooted in the fear that the homophobe himself is actually gay, but I'm not sure I really buy that. I have no stats or data to back this opinion up, though, so I'm certainly not stating that it's a I'm right. I guess it's not really a black and white issue.

[BSoBW3]

Posted: 1/30/06 at 1:16am

I think some people are gay, but hide it with homophobia.

But I also think some people are just homophobic, like people are racist.

[Kringas]

Posted: 1/30/06 at 1:18am

And I can see what you're saying to some degree, Bso, but even that would tie into what I'm saying (and what I didn't say explicitly in my first post). The straight male fantasy of the lesbian (particularly in lesbian porn) are that lesbians are just missing some really good dick, and they're just the man to fill that void.

In the case of homophobia toward gay men, as Namo pointed out, it's generally from the view that the gay man is a threat to normal masculinity.

[Jane2]

Posted: 1/30/06 at 1:19am

I agree with you Kringas, I think maybe it's that a lesbian is less likely to approach them?

[BSoBW3]

Posted: 1/30/06 at 1:21am

I don't think it is something you can generalize.

I can tell you my personal feelings...but everyone has their own.

[Kringas]

Posted: 1/30/06 at 1:22am

I think some people are gay, but hide it with homophobia.

But I also think some people are just homophobic, like people are racist.

I'm sure you're right. I just never hear anyone say "He's racist because he's secretly black." I think to continually write-off homophobia as internalized self-loathing of one's own secret gay identity is dangerous. It almost seems to excuse the behavior.

I agree with you Kringas, I think maybe it's that a lesbian is less likely to approach them

Could be. Plenty of homophobic straight men think we have nothing better to than to hit on them.

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[Wanna Be A Foster]

Posted: 1/30/06 at 1:23am

Ya know, I really don't know why they were laughing like two adolescent boys during their introduction to Brokeback Mountain. I don't care if the only reason they were laughing was because they were just felt like being goofy for no reason. But that display can be interpreted, and will be interpreted by mainstream Americans who watched, as a reinforcement of all the jokes being made by the big mouthed bigots already making a joke of the film. These two need to realize that they are part of a landmark film and that people are looking to them for some sort of reception, whatever it may be. Maybe support and pride in their own damn work? So this is what we get? Man, what a real disappointment.

At least Sean Hayes made a strong point to somewhat outweigh the garbage Ledger and Gyllenhaal gave us.

Updated On: 1/30/06 at 01:23 AM

[Kringas]

Posted: 1/30/06 at 1:26am

I thought they seemed drunk, that's all. I didn't like the movie, though, so the prism I'm seeing this through may not be the same as most.

[BSoBW3]

Posted: 1/30/06 at 1:28am

"I just never hear anyone say "He's racist because he's secretly black." I think to continually write-off homophobia as internalized self-loathing of one's own secret gay identity is dangerous. It almost seems to excuse the behavior."

Well, no. I mean, those are the same people that say that being gay is a choice. The people who say that a man could be gay, or could be straight. And therefore, he says, or swears, that he CHOSE NOT to be gay.

But no one says, "I chose not to be gay." They say, "I am not gay."

I think it is a little more difficult to say "I'm not black" when you are. Though there are white people who seriously think they are black (and I am sure black people who think they are white).

[BSoBW3]

Posted: 1/30/06 at 1:30am

"These two need to realize that they are part of a landmark film and that people are looking to them for some sort of reception, whatever it may be."

WBAF - Having watched them in interviews, I think they understand that, but don't want it to be. They never signed up to do a landmark film. I think it just happened. It was a good script, they say? Yes. But I don't think they intended it to be what it is.

AND KRINGAS - I haven't even seen the movie. To be honest, I find Heath to be boring, on camera AND off. Even in the teen chick flicks, I found him boring.

Updated On: 1/30/06 at 01:30 AM

[Kringas]

Posted: 1/30/06 at 1:32am

Of course, and this is me just following my own logic here, you have people like Strom Thurmond...

Bso, I have seen the movie and I agree with you about Heath and Jake. My earlier comment about me not liking the movie wasn't directed at you. I was just wondering if people who liked the movie were more inclined to be offended by Jake and Heath tonight than those who didn't.

Updated On: 1/30/06 at 01:32 AM

[DG]

Posted: 1/30/06 at 1:34am

I really didn't understand what they were doing or how they were acting, and what I'm reading here leads me to think no one else did either.