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Happy Health Care!
JustAGuy
Broadway Legend Joined: 6/20/03
#25Happy Health Care!
Posted: 3/22/10 at 10:49am
"Everyone is forced into buying insurance. Yeah, that's something we should celebrate. Personal freedom being stolen from you is always something worth celebrating."
That's a very dramatic soundbite.
It sounds almost like something Michele Bachman would say. Except...it doesn't really work for those of us who already buy insurance...nothing is being stolen from us. I still have just as much personal freedom today, as I had yesterday.
It's a shame that single payer wasn't included. But, I'm hoping that at the very least, Alan Grayson's bill, that would allow everyone to buy into Medicare starts getting some traction.
Gothampc
Broadway Legend Joined: 5/20/03
#26Happy Health Care!
Posted: 3/22/10 at 10:50am
"Yes Goth we should have continued to let insurance companies deny coverage to 3 year olds for pre existing conditions. Yes we should continue to let insurance companies cancel coverage when we become sick. These were all good things."
The topic I raised was mandatory health insurance. How is anything you said related to that topic? What are people going to do when they have to make the decision between paying for their mandatory healthcare or buying food? Forcing people to buy healthcare doesn't solve any problems. It's just another way of taxing people into submission.
#27Happy Health Care!
Posted: 3/22/10 at 10:51am
"Personal freedom being stolen from you is always something worth celebrating."
This coming from George W. Bush's number one supporter and apologist would have made me spit my coffee on the computer screen if I hadn't inadvertently vomited instead.
#28Happy Health Care!
Posted: 3/22/10 at 10:51amBecause it's not a big deal. A very small percentage of people will be able to buy coverage. Don't we require people to buy car insurance if they want to drive?
FindingNamo
Broadway Legend Joined: 7/22/03
#29Happy Health Care!
Posted: 3/22/10 at 10:54amWhy doesn't anybody bring up the CBO estimates of massive savings over time this bill will create unless (unless!) the reactionaries don't dedicate their lives to gutting the law from here to eternity?
#30Happy Health Care!
Posted: 3/22/10 at 10:55amI'm far from a single-issue voter. But I will say, as someone with a pre-existing condition who once spent the better part of a year without health insurance, this is the biggest reason I supported President Obama. A perfect bill? No. But I'm incredibly grateful for this first step.
FindingNamo
Broadway Legend Joined: 7/22/03
#31Happy Health Care!
Posted: 3/22/10 at 11:00amI didn't know fabulousness was a pre-existing condition!
Gothampc
Broadway Legend Joined: 5/20/03
#32Happy Health Care!
Posted: 3/22/10 at 11:04am
"Don't we require people to buy car insurance if they want to drive?"
False analogy
We have the choice whether we want to buy a car or not. Also each state has different regulations regarding car insurance.
#34Happy Health Care!
Posted: 3/22/10 at 11:13amI think saying this bill is a step towards a communist utopia is a false analogy. But I hope you're party keep fighting that fight. I think it will do wonders for them election time.
#35Happy Health Care!
Posted: 3/22/10 at 11:27amI say this grudgingly, because I am not a fan, but Nancy Pelosi deserves soooooo much credit for this accomplishment. Many significant changes, particularly social changes, have taken place incrementally. So, while this is far from a final step, it is an important and necessary first step in making America a better place.
#36Happy Health Care!
Posted: 3/22/10 at 11:34am
The GOP's Waterloo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tG817BJzh4U
FindingNamo
Broadway Legend Joined: 7/22/03
Unknown User
Joined: 12/31/69
#38Happy Health Care!
Posted: 3/22/10 at 12:05pm
Here are ten benefits which come online within six months of the President's signature on the health care bill:
1. Adult children may remain as dependents on their parents’ policy until their 27th birthday
2. Children under age 19 may not be excluded for pre-existing conditions
3. No more lifetime or annual caps on coverage
4. Free preventative care for all
5. Adults with pre-existing conditions may buy into a national high-risk pool until the exchanges come online. While these will not be cheap, they’re still better than total exclusion and get some benefit from a wider pool of insureds.
6. Small businesses will be entitled to a tax credit for 2009 and 2010, which could be as much as 50% of what they pay for employees’ health insurance.
7. The “donut hole” closes for Medicare patients, making prescription medications more affordable for seniors.
8. Requirement that all insurers must post their balance sheets on the Internet and fully disclose administrative costs, executive compensation packages, and benefit payments.
9. Authorizes early funding of community health centers in all 50 states (Bernie Sanders’ amendment). Community health centers provide primary, dental and vision services to people in the community, based on a sliding scale for payment according to ability to pay.
10. AND no more rescissions. Effective immediately, you can't lose your insurance because you get sick.
FindingNamo
Broadway Legend Joined: 7/22/03
#39Happy Health Care!
Posted: 3/22/10 at 12:11pmI wonder what #4 means?
Unknown User
Joined: 12/31/69
#40Happy Health Care!
Posted: 3/22/10 at 12:14pm#4- Qualified health plans will have to provide – with no cost-sharing – immunizations and other preventive health services for infants, children, and adolescents.
FindingNamo
Broadway Legend Joined: 7/22/03
#41Happy Health Care!
Posted: 3/22/10 at 12:21pmSo, "for all" means "for some".
#43Happy Health Care!
Posted: 3/22/10 at 12:51pm
Everyone is forced into buying insurance. Yeah, that's something we should celebrate. Personal freedom being stolen from you is always something worth celebrating.
It's sort of like paying taxes or having a Social Security Card. You have the "freedom" not to participate, but if you don't, then you are willing to accept that you will have to pay a penalty.
What are people going to do when they have to make the decision between paying for their mandatory healthcare or buying food?
What do you think happens when people who can't afford health care get seriously ill?
Unknown User
Joined: 12/31/69
#44Happy Health Care!
Posted: 3/22/10 at 12:56pm
FREE PREVENTIVE CARE UNDER NEW PRIVATE PLANS—Requires new private plans to cover preventive services with no co?payments and with preventive services being exempt from deductibles. Effective 6 months after enactment.
FREE PREVENTIVE CARE UNDER MEDICARE—Eliminates co?payments for preventive services and exempts preventive services from deductibles under the Medicare program.
I think that all plans are required to cover preventative care w/no deductible starting in 2014 but I can't find it. There is just TOO MUCH COVERAGE!
#45Happy Health Care!
Posted: 3/22/10 at 1:03pm
How dare they rob me of my freedom to pay for preventative health care!
#46Happy Health Care!
Posted: 3/22/10 at 1:18pmI keep seeing my friends who were army brats screaming that they don't want socialized health care. Isn't that basically what they were raised with if their fathers were in the military?
#47Happy Health Care!
Posted: 3/22/10 at 1:26pmBut this isn't anything even remotely similar to socialized health care.
blueroses
Broadway Legend Joined: 10/18/04
#48Happy Health Care!
Posted: 3/22/10 at 1:27pmJG, yes. How daft can some people be? I know of a cop who was bitching about it, too. A person who will enjoy 100% taxpayer-funded medical for THE REST OF HIS LIFE.
FindingNamo
Broadway Legend Joined: 7/22/03
#49Happy Health Care!
Posted: 3/22/10 at 1:35pmIs he handsome, would you say?
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