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#51

How Hillary Clinton Won the 2014 Midterms

"Because your question assumes that you have the right to decide what inclusion is. Now stop asking."

You are the one that used the word initially in this conversation. Now defend it. HOW is the GOP more inclusive? It's your party, it's your assertion, it's the word you used: now, actually defend it. Don't talk about Democrats. Don't talk about Obama. Don't talk about the election results. They're not related to my question or your statement.

Inclusivity is a good quality; you aren't even able to elaborate on a positive quality of the GOP?
"...everyone finally shut up, and the audience could enjoy the beginning of the Anatevka Pogram in peace."

Updated On: 11/5/14 at 02:07 PM

#52

How Hillary Clinton Won the 2014 Midterms

From the article: "While a dizzying 14 gubernatorial races were tossups heading into Nov. 4, almost all of them broke toward the GOP — meaning that Republican governors will still vastly outnumber Democratic governors on Inauguration Day."

Folks, the GOP took MD of all places which I believe to be harbinger of things to come two years out. In the post-Vietnam era, typically governors become two-term presidents, Obama being a notable exception. Presidents of the era without governor credentials have not fared so well in office, e.g. Lyndon B. Johnson, Richard Nixon, Gerald Ford, and George H. W. Bush.

Obama was not betrayed as badly by his colleagues as L. B. Johnson. However, the fact that so many opted to distance themselves from the mild economic recovery & secure homeland under Obama's watch defies logic. And as fond as I am of the FLOTUS, diva-worship does not get a Dem elected to Congress during mid-terms by all appearances, no misogyny intended. I found the mantra of yes to Michelle but no to the POTUS somewhat disturbing on several levels.

It's only natural that voter (and donor) fatigue set in during a president's second term in office, especially where mid-terms are concerned. But, the congressional Dems up for re-election oddly let the GOP spin machine set the narrative for the races and cowered at any dip in their polling numbers...shout-out to henrikegerman.

Finally, the GOP all but assured that HRC will be a one-term president akin to Jimmy Carter. It's written in the stars.


#FactsMatter...your feelings not so much.

Updated On: 11/5/14 at 02:24 PM

#54

How Hillary Clinton Won the 2014 Midterms

"You assume every gay is interested in marriage. You assume every woman's concern in the workplace is money."

No. We assume that the overwhelming majority of everyone is interested in their being afforded equal rights under the law.

I guarantee you if marriage was denied to straight people, straight people by and large would be outraged, and not just those interested in being married. I also guarantee you that if men made 77 cents on the dollar to what men make, men would by and large be outraged, and not just men who cared inordinately about money. The issue is equality not whether one is particularly interested in getting married or in making bucks.

OH, WHY AM I EVEN TRYING TO REASON WITH THIS PERSON!

Updated On: 11/5/14 at 03:13 PM

#55

How Hillary Clinton Won the 2014 Midterms

I'm very interested to see how the inability and unwillingness to pass meaningful immigration reform will impact Hispanic voter turnout in 2016. Will they turn out in big numbers or will they feel disenfranchised and stay home? Will Hillary tout immigration reform as a major part of her platform or will that end up disenfranchising conservative and independent voters that might consider her candidacy? Interested to hear what (most) of you have to say...
#56

How Hillary Clinton Won the 2014 Midterms



Finally, the GOP all but assured that HRC will be a one-term president akin to Jimmy Carter. It's written in the stars.


Where is goddess's name do you get THAT from?




#59

How Hillary Clinton Won the 2014 Midterms

Voting rights, the Dems need to pound home in the next few years how the poor and minorities are being disenfranchised. Voter registration and having the base prepared to vote will be everything in 2016. With this Supreme Court in makes the next President crucial. Marco Rubio, Ted Cruz, Rand Paul, Paul Ryan, any one those guys will not hold up to national scrutiny. We can hope they have a hotly contested primary. The only hope for them is Jeb Bush, he's the only one that won't freak out Democrats. He's bilingual, and has a different take on immigration than the base. He is, the one who was supposed to be the golden boy, that the frat boy got elected shocked everyone. I'd be worried about him.
Stephanatic
#61

How Hillary Clinton Won the 2014 Midterms

"But where do you derive that from last night as a conclusion?"

To me, last night was the culmination of the GOP long game strategy. The Party of Obstruction effectively nullified Obama's mandate and gave him roughly 45 days of viability. After that, the nation will move on to primaries. On Obama's watch, the Dems lost majorities in both chambers. IMO neither Obama nor HRC is as politically savvy or charismatic as Bill Clinton and there in lies the problem.

That same Party of Obstruction has already lined up to say no to any HRC initiative, provided she's elected two years out. The party now has the numbers to give it even more of a stranglehold on the legislative process.

This is purely speculation of course, but I envision a HRC first term in office mired in legislative gridlock resulting in a string of unpopular executive orders. The Faux News simpletons will hammer home the meme that as a nation we will have suffered two Democratic POTUSes with no experience governing. After four years of that, there will be a groundswell of support for the other party. It's tough for any party to stay in the White House for 12 yrs let alone 16.

Finally, there's the matter of the 2020 census which will alter the electoral vote allocation. According to Larry Sabato, things skew to to right in that respect.




Sabato's Crystal Ball
#FactsMatter...your feelings not so much.

Updated On: 11/5/14 at 04:40 PM

#63

How Hillary Clinton Won the 2014 Midterms

You give the GOP too much credit, and you ignore the dissension in their ranks between tea-party conservatives and the Republican establishment.

The establishment will take these victories as a mandate, and Ted Cruz will lead the tea-party faction in revolt.

The Republicans will end up overreaching, as they always do, and the country will Ping-Pong back the other way in 2016, as it has always done when power-hungry Republicans overreach.


Updated On: 11/5/14 at 05:20 PM

#66

How Hillary Clinton Won the 2014 Midterms

"Voting rights, the Dems need to pound home in the next few years how the poor and minorities are being disenfranchised. "

It's tough to do that when a lot of people are uneducated or only hear what they want (Goth) to hear. The fact that poor people don't understand the Republicans don't give a sh*t about them, and never will, but keep voting for them, is very disturbing.

Everyone wants change, but old white men want change the MOST, which is why they went out and voted yesterday. The turnouts for yesterday's election is despicable.
#67

How Hillary Clinton Won the 2014 Midterms

"You give the GOP too much credit, and you ignore the dissension in their ranks between tea-party conservatives and the Republican establishment."

I sure as hell hope you're right and that I'm wrong in the end.
#FactsMatter...your feelings not so much.
#68

How Hillary Clinton Won the 2014 Midterms

One point I'm not seeing here is:

The Clintons couldn't get anyone elected in Arkansas.
If anyone ever tells you that you put too much Parmesan cheese on your pasta, stop talking to them. You don't need that kind of negativity in your life.
#69

How Hillary Clinton Won the 2014 Midterms

Since all of your points were irrational lies, I'm shocked you didn't bring it up sooner!
#70

How Hillary Clinton Won the 2014 Midterms

"You give the GOP too much credit…"

Not only that, he doesn't seem to know what the meaning of the word he used ("culmination") is. The end game. That's it. That's all they have.

The pendulum's swinging every two years now, and the country has no political memory except that "change" will be the biannual answer.
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#71

How Hillary Clinton Won the 2014 Midterms

Namo,

The GOP machinations culminated in the consolidation of power in both chambers of the US Congress in 2014. Many political soothsayers considered it a fait accompli heading into the elections after the Dem rank and file all but abandoned the party's leader.

May I dare ask how you would have advised the Dems 60 days ago?

Rush Limbaugh offers an insightful postmortem after the jump.
The Mandate: Republicans Were Elected to Stop Barack Obama, Not to Work with Him
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#72

How Hillary Clinton Won the 2014 Midterms


"May I dare ask how you would have advised the Dems 60 days ago?"

I would have told them what any fool could see: They had to NOT let the Repukes control the narrative on jobs, the economy and the success of the ACA. And to not run from the president. Totes obvs.
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#74

How Hillary Clinton Won the 2014 Midterms

javero, I agree with PJ. I think you are giving the Republicans too much credit about engineering this election result. This election is mostly about the Obama Presidency. It is also about the way Harry Reid ran the Senate. The Republicans did use that just like the way the Democrats used the Bush missteps and disasters to win the Presidency and Congress previously. Obama's ineptitude doesn't rise to the level of Bush but it was enough.

When an administration does a poor job or a job that is perceived as poor, the other side wins. I don't think this group of Republicans was smart enough to orchestrate this outcome.



Updated On: 11/6/14 at 02:16 AM

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