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Posted: 11/16/13 at 5:53pm

I want to know how anything got here. This means that before there was sky, sun, planets, etc. there had to be nothing. So how did everything start?

Don't say that God put it all there. Hey, even if he did, where did he come from.

Anyway, what book can I read about this subject? Is there anything other than Stephen Hawking?

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Posted: 11/16/13 at 5:56pm

God put it there.

"Jaws is the Citizen Kane of movies."

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Posted: 11/16/13 at 6:00pm

ok smart ass- where did god come from and where did he get that stuff to put here.

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Posted: 11/16/13 at 6:01pm

Outer Space.

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Posted: 11/16/13 at 6:03pm

but before there was outer space…you see, the brain isn't able to imagine the concept of nothing.

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Posted: 11/16/13 at 6:03pm

We do not know.

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Posted: 11/16/13 at 6:03pm

Before God, there was Jesus.

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Posted: 11/16/13 at 6:16pm

henrik, you are right. there's no way of knowing. But I think about it so often. I try and imagine the concept of "nothing" but I can't. The answer I hear most of the time is "it's always been here." Well, there has to be the first day that it was here, so what was here before that first day?

Drives me nuts.

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Posted: 11/16/13 at 6:22pm

I think it's an impossible, paradoxical question. The law of entropy states that there has to be a beginning, because if we (and by "we" I mean the universe and all that we know) have been existing for an infinite time then everything will have had an infinite time to break down and we wouldn't be here. But that still leaves the question of what the beginning really was, what existed at the beginning, and how was the beginning set into motion?

I can see why it would drive you nuts, Jane. I think it really drives everyone nuts.

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Posted: 11/16/13 at 6:26pm

Yes, it is impossible AEA. We seem to know what was here millions of years ago, and that baffles me also.

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Posted: 11/16/13 at 6:31pm

I don't think any thinking person can presume to offer an answer, but I found some comfort in 'The Dancing Universe' by the Italian astrophysicist Marcelo Gleiser.

He traces and re-tells creation stories--myths--from a wide variety of cultures and discusses them from both a theological and scientific point of view. He's a scientist who feels that science should act in concert with--rather than simply in opposition to--spirituality.

There is a great episode (November 8, 2012) of NPR's 'On Being' with a discussion with Gleiser and the writer Marilynne Robinson. I was so intrigued by Gleiser's ideas that I looked for his books. You could download that podcast or, I imagine, stream the episode from onbeing.org.

Link to Publisher's Weekly review

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Posted: 11/16/13 at 6:32pm

I wasn't being a smart ass, Jane (okay, maybe just a little), but I was serious.

This is exactly where/why faith exists. I'm not talking about "organized religion," which I'm not a fan of, I'm talking about faith.

"Jaws is the Citizen Kane of movies."

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Posted: 11/16/13 at 6:37pm

I think continuing to ask yourself a question for which no real definitive answer exists is a sure way to drive yourself crazy. But I understand your plight. I keep asking myself "why are the New York Giants playing so poorly this season?". I've heard all the hypotheses, the explanations and the informed guesses but I have resigned myself to the fact that no one can ever know for sure.

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Posted: 11/16/13 at 6:38pm

Oh, ok Best. I didn't think you believed in god (I shouldn't assume, tho) so I thought you were being funny. Also because I said "don't say god put it there, and you did. Sorry!

Addison, thanks. I'm going to look into that.

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Posted: 11/16/13 at 6:47pm

The History Channel had a great series that was called (I think) The origin of the Universe. I saw it on H2 this summer. Fascinating- even got into how certain chemicals gave off oxygen and changed the PH of the sea and allowed life to occur.

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Posted: 11/16/13 at 6:58pm

Oh dear, this is Stephen Hawking.

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e55/Lolivier/Unknown_zps8bba4570.jpeg

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Posted: 11/16/13 at 7:01pm

Joe, I'd love to see that.

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Posted: 11/16/13 at 7:39pm

On the one hand--I'm not convinced that an author's physical appearance should necessarily carry much weight when one is on a quest for information.

On the other hand, Gleiser is pretty dreamy in an Italian/Jewish/Astrophysicist way...

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Posted: 11/16/13 at 7:45pm

Yes, he sure is!

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Posted: 11/16/13 at 7:54pm

http://www.amazon.com/Universe-Nothing-There-Something-Rather/dp/1451624468/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1384649290&sr=8-1&keywords=laurence+krauss+how+you+get+something+from+nothing

"god did it" is not a satisfactory answer to anything at all. if our predecessors had relied on that answer, we would not have many of the modern amenities that we do. (i.e., in response to "what is lightning," if we said, "god did it," we would not have electricity today).

the problem with the phrase, "god did it," is that it is an ever expanding tautology that assimilates every new piece of information we come up with. for instance, in answer to the question, what brought us here, for most of history, people did answer, "god did it." but wouldn't evolution help explain more? "god did evolution." well wouldn't proteins explain more? "god made proteins." well wouldn't DNA being transcribed into protein explain more? "god made DNA."

something that answers everything like this does not answer anything at all. it is a claim that cannot be falsified, and when something cannot be falsified, this is a testament to its weakness as an argument, not a strength.

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Posted: 11/16/13 at 8:14pm

Well, when I say "god did it" I'm making fun. there are really people who believe that god is a man in the sky, etc.

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Posted: 11/16/13 at 8:38pm

Jane, I do believe in God. I am very (VERY) wary of organized religion. And I rarely if ever equate the two.

I don't believe God is a white man with a beard, or any man at all (not that I am opposed to symbolism as long as it's understood that it is symbolism and not a literal interpretation). To be honest (again not making fun), my beliefs are probably more in line with George Lucas's "the force" as God, rather than a single deity or collective deities making conscious decisions regarding morality.

The perception of "good" and "evil" are where the problem lies, because it always becomes political. Always.

But life as we know it, going back to the beginning of the beginning, is unexplainable to me without a "force" that I choose to call God.

It's far more complicated than that (to me), but that's the shortest explanation I can give you about how I see it.

"Jaws is the Citizen Kane of movies."

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Posted: 11/16/13 at 8:54pm

"To be honest (again not making fun), my beliefs are probably more in line with George Lucas's "the force" as God, rather than a single deity or collective deities making conscious decisions regarding morality. "

Until 1999 when we found out "the Force" was just microscopic bacteria in your bloodstream called midichlorians.

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Posted: 11/16/13 at 9:00pm

I understand what you're saying Best. Your belief is shared by many. I believe that God is something within all of us, and it is the good that is in us.

There are things that occur which are hard to believe unless "god did it" and at those times I do believe that there's something there.

What I was making fun of is the thought that God is a man in the sky keeping track of everything. A physical man.

Those who don't believe in God claim that if there were one, how could he let all the bad in the world happen? And as far as the saying goes that "God doesn't give us anything we can't handle" well, baloney. There are tons of people who can't handle what is given them.

Anyway, I think that God is in us and as for the miracles that happen, well, I don't know what to call that.

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Posted: 11/16/13 at 9:24pm

Where were you before you were conceived, Jane? Where was I? If we go to heaven after we die, where were we before we were born? Does the act of physical intercourse also produce the human soul? You mention the planets and the stars, but everything is relative. The whole entire universe may just be a tiny particle in another organism which in turn is a tiny particle of another, and another...like holding a mirror up to a mirror. Where does it stop?

Thankfully it's a Saturday night and I am about to go out hammered. Let me know in the morning if you've reached any conclusions. :)

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