Immigration Debate... my two cents — Page 2

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The converse of that is that it's not that simple, Jasonf. You can't just waltz in and "be in the proper program."

They DO pay taxes. They don't file a tax form every April, but they are taxed in other ways (sales tax, for example) -- and I'm no economist, but I'm willing to bet they lose a larger portion of their discretionary income than the wealthy or upper middle class do.

Dismissing a point is really not the way to carry on a debate. Calvin's point is hardly ridiculous. One would see that schools and hospitals (the two main "freebies" that anti-illegal immigrantion side seems to always love pointing out) are funded in part by sales taxes which are determined locally.

And one should keep in mind, WE ALL don't pay the same taxes.

And if you'd see some of the conditions illegal immigrants live in, I'd hardly call that living here for free.

And, let us not forget that many illegal or undocumented workers get jobs under fake SSN cards. This means that for those employers paying above board, the taxes are withheld, but never recovered by the illegal/undocumented employee.

The bigger issue I have is paying people under the table, and thus taking them completely out of the system. We create a shadow economy.

This issues is not going to be one that can be easily resolved. Just as there are folks who have come over recently, there are others who have raised children, had jobs, and been part of communities for years.

I do not think amnesty across the board will work, but other than finding a more efficient way to protect the border, something has to be done to not only recognize that illegals/undocumented workers are both a drain on resources, and a provider of resources. The even bigger elephant in the room is the growing social and political issues associated with a turn in immigration practices from assimilation to a demand for accomodation.

I am sure if I was in the position of many of those trying to come over for jobs, I woud do whatever I could to make a better life for my family. The issue becomes how to we balance all of these competing interests while still being able to look at ourselves in the mirror each morning.

First lets take care of own struggling people (the poor ect) and get them jobs, then worry about illegal immigrants. When everything is good with our own people, then we can worry about others.

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