Letterman Vs The Palins- Page 4

[nomdeplume]

Posted: 6/12/09 at 1:06am

romantico, I have already said I do not like Palin. But even assuming all you say about her is true, and that they are using this and blowing it all up out of proportion and being jerks, Letterman made a mistake and that was to suggest a 14-year-old girl (yes, he had the wrong girl) would be getting "knocked up" at the ball game by an adult male and that would likely be statutory rape so the use of the word rape itself is not incorrect.

Why let the Palins go to town on this? Why give them any ammunition however they play it up?

I don't care If I never hear about Sarah Palin again.

And no, I am not their apologist. I can't support right-to-lifers.

[TheatreDiva90016]

Posted: 6/12/09 at 2:02am

"The punchline was that while the Palins were at the Yankee game, her daughter got knocked up by Alex Rodriguez in the 7th inning."

HER DAUGHTER. NOT HER DAUGHTER THAT'S WITH HER.

It was aimed at the slutty one.

[romantico]

Posted: 6/12/09 at 6:22am

nomdeplume,I'm gonna play by your rules.By reading your post it's obvious YOU have apologized for lying and getting your facts wrong.No, you didn't say it but it's clear by your posts that that's what you meant. You also made some offensive gay jokes.I do not have to back that up,if I say so that should be good enough.I was too lazy to read all your posts because I do not like reading and stuff,so I just gathered my conclusion with as little facts as possible and if I say it enough times people will eventually believe it.

I have asked you to back up where he said he apologized and you can not.(no where in the clip that you refuse to watch does he say it) Now like many on the right you are throwing in that Dave made a joke about raping not just A 14 year old but 14 year olds (plural) Like Palin, you have to NOW exaggerate in order to prove you are right.

If you just watched the clip you would see my point of view and where I am coming from. Of course, that would kill your argument.It's like me saying a movie is terrible and the worst film ever made but not seeing the film myself just relying on a review of the film.How can you comment on something you read and not actually saw yourself?

Of course the joke was aimed at Bristol,the daughter who has been knocked up but you refuse to observe that fact and instead actually believe Dave goofed up. You have to lie to make your point,but who needs facts when you admit yourself you are too lazy to watch TV or the clip and see for yourself.You sound like a typical FOX NEWS viewer.Relying on what other's say rather than researching the facts. You seem to have problems with focusing. Several times in this thread you have trailed off to discuss the David Caradine conspiracy,which kind of shows me you just drift in and out(which backs up my claim that you do not look at facts just whatever grabs your attention and that particular second)

The point is your need to now lie in order to validate your posts. You can not back up or prove any of your points that he apologized or made a joke geared at rape and 14 year old girls.Pretty sick stuff.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iT596XDpH1g

Updated On: 6/12/09 at 06:22 AM

[madbrian]

Posted: 6/12/09 at 6:56am

So, below is a clip of Sean Hannity and a couple of other morons discussing this. One of them goes so far as to blame this on Obama. They're complaining about the 'double standard' within the media with respect to how the Obama family is treated. On the Sean Hannity show. Really. I guess they have total amnesia regarding his treatment of Michelle Obama during the campaign.

For the record, if anyone did ask Obama's opinion, he would probably repeat his consitent position that families are off limits.


Hannity and two other morons

[romantico]

Posted: 6/12/09 at 7:04am

I agree 100%.Families should be off limits.However, I have a hard time following that rule when the family member appears on the cover of People Magazine while making herself a public figure going on talk shows and conducting interviews.

Yeah, I saw that clip and it is just pathetic.

[StockardFan]

Posted: 6/12/09 at 7:09am

This stupid bitch is on the Today show right now talking about this. I hate her so much.

[JustAGuy]

Posted: 6/12/09 at 7:32am

According to a Washington Post and Politico columnist...it's all Obama's fault. Who knew that Goth was moonlighting under the name S.E. Cupp?

Cupp, who is a contributor to the Washington Post and Politico, fumed:

"This is the enduring legacy of the Obama campaign. I'm not saying this to be inflammatory, I blame Barack Obama because he allowed his surrogates in the media and Hollywood and everyone else on the left to do this dirty talking for him."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/06/12/conservative-columnist-bl_n_214655.html

[papalovesmambo]

Posted: 6/12/09 at 8:39am

well, i figure this is fair enough. i mean i would expect to be able to make jokes about them nasty little bambots hoes, malia and the other one, when they become dope smoking cokeheads like their old man was.

the jokes practicaly write themselves, "malia and the other one have been popular with both students and parents at their new school since they can score the best dope and blow. it seems that the apples do not fall very far from the tree."

Updated On: 6/12/09 at 08:39 AM

[madbrian]

Posted: 6/12/09 at 9:12am

I think families in general, and kids in particular, should be off limits. However, when you drag the 18 year-old daughter and her baby on a media blitz, and air your differences with the baby's father in the press, it's unreasonable to then expect a 'hands off' approach.

By the way, the knuckleheads on FoxNews who are so upset about this are the same ones who crucified Jamie Lynn Spears and her family, right?

For the record, I do think the joke was in poor taste, and not that funny. But I do believe Letterman was talking about Bristol and not Willow.

[nomdeplume]

Posted: 6/12/09 at 10:32am

Okay, it's morning, I've gone through the crap of turning the shockwave flash back on on my computer to see your Letterman clip and I agree completely that what Letterman did was an abject apology.

Loads of contrition in it with "I'm not proud of these jokes" and declaring them "indefensible" even mentioning the Hague (a humorous reference to the International Criminal Court), acknowledging the jokes to be "ugly" saying he "regrets" having told them, trying to show the nature of the error he made, elaborating that he does not advocate sexual abuse of children and declaring himself "guilty of poor taste." He even agrees with the content of the Palin's letters and jokes that he may not have a show the next day. It's pretty obvious how seriously he takes his error. He can't technically say I'm sorry I said that about Willow because he didn't mean to say that about Willow and he has to beat around the bush to explain he was intending it for Bristol, which is pretty indefensible as well that's why he's mopping up the floor with all the contrition and which is why you are shrieking he doesn't say "I'm sorry."

Acknowledging a wrong plus contrition is an apology. You don't have to say the words "I'm sorry" or "I apologize." The expression of "regret" is certainly enough. I agree with with the articles calling it an apology and I don't agree with you, romantico, and I believe you are wrong. Live with it; believe what you like, and the stuff you have said about me turns out to be wrong, even though I was addressing Craig's article rather than your posts, you just came screaming after me to have to watch your TV clip. Your credibility is shredded with me.

What I was most surprised about is how abjectly he apologized, even inviting Palin as graciously as possible to come to the show. It all indicates to me he knows how serious his error of facts was. I think better of him after watching that exhaustive statement of contrition because I think the joke, whether it would have referred to Willow or Bristol was in foul taste and not funny at all.

Unwed mothers have a very rough time of it, the poverty levels for themselves and their children are terrible, and I believe in supporting teenage women and not making jokes at their expense. As for Bristol making some money getting some magazine work, good for her, she's going to need the money to raise the kid.

Check your definitions:

"An apology can also be an expression of contrition and remorse for something done wrong."

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 6/12/09 at 10:41am

"i mean i would expect to be able to make jokes about them nasty little bambots hoes, malia and the other one, when they become dope smoking cokeheads like their old man was."

Definitely. I think if the Obama daughters grow up to behave like the Bush twins, there will be LOADS of jokes about them. I don't see how there couldn't be. Or why there shouldn't be.

What's surreal to me is that Sarah Palin OBVIOUSLY thinks this has some kind of traction and is still talking about it, if "talking about it" is the right phrase for this woman who is still cobbling together sentences with strung-together words that seem to be chosen at random as if from a bingo machine.

In an article from the AP this morning:

Palin denied that it was also in bad taste for her spokeswoman, Meghan Stapleton, to say Thursday that Palin would not appear on Letterman's "Late Show" because "it would be wise to keep Willow away from David Letterman."

"Maybe he couldn't be trusted because Willow has had enough of this type of comments and maybe Willow would want to react to him in a way that maybe would catch him off-guard," she said. "That's one way to interpret such a comment."

First of all, what? She's actually saying what? Willow might text something mean to Letterman? Second of all, the Palins and the spokeswoman have made this about Willow and refuse to drop it. They can't even acknowledge that the joke makes sense only in the context of Bristol because then it illustrates their through-the-looking-glass world, where the one with the baby and no husband who was having sex before she's 18 is a spokeschild for abstinence and has a mother who won't shut up about "traditional family values".

So, yeah, if the Obama girls are trotted around as ambasadresses for anything, and their behavior is the opposite of what they're saying, I will expect lots of jokes and know there'll be some good ones, since even papa's warming up before there's any there there.

Updated On: 6/12/09 at 10:41 AM

[romantico]

Posted: 6/12/09 at 11:09am

LOL! You are trying to talk your way out of this and it's just sad.It's taken you all this time to FINALLY Watch the clip. You have been posting on and on about something you did not see. You were posting about something you knew nothing about. It's your credibility that is laughable. HE NEVER APOLOGIZED! YOU SAID HE DID. Like I said,I could read your post and then say,"In my opinion,nomdeplume saw he was talking about something with no reference and apologized. He didn't say he was sorry,but that's obviously what he meant!" PUH-LEAZE! You sound just like Palin and her supporters so spare me this"I don't like her crap!"

You agree with the article? That's fine, but the article is false. He never apologized.At least the Op of the article watched the clip before he wrote the article. You by your admission were too lazy to do even that, yet that did not stop you from talking about something you didn't see. You believe I am wrong? nomdeplume, I know you are wrong. Dave never apologized and he never said a thing about rape and 14 year old girl(s) like you have said.You lied.....twice! I didn't scream at you to watch the clip(Um, how could one tell I was screaming? just curious)I just thought it would enforce your weak argument if you actually knew what you were talking about. Watching it was to your advantage, and you finally did so.

Sounds like you didn't like the joke so you turned against him even to the point where you lied about the 14 year old girl being raped comment, a lie you have repeated.Still wanna talk about credibility? He never apologized and he never advocated raping 14 year old girls. You said he did and you are not even man enough to fess up to it.

Again, this is no different than say someone who bashes a film or book before they read it. Here we are on page 4 and ONLY NOW do you decide to actually watch the clip. You've made so many errors you figured you have to watch it so you at least pretend to come off knowing what you are talking about (which you failed at)Sounds like you have a grudge against Dave and you,like Palin, are using this at a way to take shots at him.Call it what you will. You misspoke, you spoke before actually watching the clip, you were taken out of context, whatever. You lied. Twice!

Check your facts and please post where Dave said he advocates raping 14 year old girls and that he apologizes to Sarah Palin.You are lazy and started spouting off without having the entire story and now pissed that someone called you on it.FOCUS!

Updated On: 6/12/09 at 11:09 AM

[papalovesmambo]

Posted: 6/12/09 at 11:14am

wait. dave's a pedophile?

[romantico]

Posted: 6/12/09 at 11:19am

nomdeplume, said this:

"When his show sponsors start getting letters that they are supporting jokes about statutory rapes of 14-year-old girls by endorsing his show, because that is what they are probably going to get, the issue may continue on so perhaps he should make his apology clearer."

Of course Dave never said any such thing but Nomdeplume seems to know what Dave is thinking and what he really meant. HE LIED and he won't fess up.I am curious who these other 14 year old girls that Nomdeplume is talking about are.

Updated On: 6/12/09 at 11:19 AM

[nomdeplume]

Posted: 6/12/09 at 11:21am

Go read the definition of apology. The floor has fallen out beneath you, yet you rattle on.

You really misread things to the point of making no sense, romantico.

I spoke of Letterman's statements regarding child abuse from the clip in my last post, not about rape. He refers to a letter he has received from Palin. Go listen to your clip again. I notice you don't refute any of the Letterman verbatim quotes I made in my last post.

Earlier comments I made were about the nature of statutory rape and why Todd Palin in a separate statement he made was not really inaccurate about using the word rape given the factual mistake of Letterman.

Why don't you find someone else to talk to in your posts because you don't read and you don't look up definitions. Updated On: 6/12/09 at 11:21 AM

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 6/12/09 at 11:22am

Nom is starting to sound like Ari Fleischer and Robert Gibbs.

[romantico]

Posted: 6/12/09 at 11:25am

Only in your world. He never apologized. You lied.What is to misread? Child abuse? Where did you see that? You have now resorted to exaggerating to make your thin argument. SO now, according to you in your dream world, Dave has apologized,advocated child rape, and now is advocating child abuse. I'm waiting for you to call him the 19th terrorist.You said rape. I even posted the actual quote. YOU SAID IT!I don't refute it because there was no apology.It's no longer about Dave vs Palin it about you lying and not being man enough to back up your lie or fess up. You sound like a typical Republican to me.

Updated On: 6/12/09 at 11:25 AM

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 6/12/09 at 11:26am

He refers to a letter he has received from Palin?

[Reginald Tresilian]

Posted: 6/12/09 at 11:31am

What nomdeplume sees as abject apology I see as further mocking the Palins. What nom sees as Letterman acknowledging errors of fact, I see as calling the Palins liars.

Am I watching a different clip?

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 6/12/09 at 11:34am

Apparently your Sony Reader does not have a dictionary so you can look up the definition of apology.

[romantico]

Posted: 6/12/09 at 11:35am

No, you are seeing the same clip as the adults are. MSNBC is reporting a rumor that Tina Fey may appear on David Letterman either tonight or next week as Sarah Palin. That would be awesome,if it turns out to be true.Sarah is keeping this story alive. I have never heard of a politician who is this sensitive.

Updated On: 6/12/09 at 11:35 AM

[SNAFU]

Posted: 6/12/09 at 11:40am

No you are not. He reread the jokes and they got a second laugh! He took very carefully aimed shots at Palin's lying. Nom is buying Palin's Sluttty Stewardess in distress role. A role she loves to play. She did it during the elections, she is doing it now.

Watch Palin with Matt Lauer on Today, she falls short of calling Dave a pedophile and a danger to kids! She does also state that Dave comparing her to slutty stewardesses was a slight to stewardesses every where (that I happen to agree with! Truer words never pasted those painted lips!).

When that joke aired I don't anyone would have answered Willow if you had asked them who the joke was about.

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 6/12/09 at 11:48am

I don't understand how it's a slight to stewardesses everywhere? When somebody justifiably calls me a slutty gay man, it's not a slight to gay men everywhere. Just the slutty ones who probably don't want to be associated with me.

I'm not sure of the Letterman taping schedule, does he do his Friday shows on Thursday after taping the one that is shown Thursday nights?

I'd love to see Tina do it, but I doubt she would.

[romantico]

Posted: 6/12/09 at 11:52am

I think I have heard they do shoot Thursday and Fridays episodes back to back, but I am not sure how often they do that.Not sure if they would have to go through any legal red tape with NBC for Tina to reprise her Sarah Palin character. If Lorne Michaels wanted to,I think he would. I can see Tina jumping right into this.I have MSNBC on now hoping they repeat

[DAME]

Posted: 6/12/09 at 11:54am

You know I finnally watched all this on tivo last night. It was funny. It was hilarious. The second night when her re-reads the jokes was even funnier. Good for him. I hate the Palins. I would imagine most people do. i didn't think he was refering to the younger daughter. Why would he? No one ever talks about her. Now thanks to the Palins they do. These Palins are Trash. Everything about them is revolting. Like Cheney I jusy wish they would go away. CBS must be thrilled with the ratings bonanza handed to them on a sliver plate by this stupid, ignorant, pathetic, embarrasing, white trash family.

Updated On: 6/12/09 at 11:54 AM