"Lost" Season 5 Excitement Thread- Page 13

[ZONEACE]

Posted: 5/1/09 at 3:19am

Charlotte was considered recurring, she wasn't a season regular.


as for the episode, I wasn't impressed. It was a lot of talking and not much else. What really happened in the episode? A gun fight between Kate/Jack/Daniel and Radzinsky/others and daniel got shot by his mum. the rest of the episode was people talking about going to the island, leaving the island and returning to the present. And A LOT of the dialogue wasn't that great. There were a few really good lines but everything else was sort of MEH.


onl 2 episodes left guys (3 hours the show)

[eatlasagna]

Posted: 5/1/09 at 3:27am

so what constitutes a season regular vs. recurring... she was in the credits with the rest of the cast until she was killed off.. so i am assuming she was considered a regular.. recurring to me is someone like Lapidus or Rose and Bernard...

[ZONEACE]

Posted: 5/1/09 at 3:33am

I saw an interview with her where she said she was not a season regular, she was contracted for only the first few episodes.

[pli1018]

Posted: 5/1/09 at 9:28am

Usually if the actor's name is listed in the opening credits under "Starring" then they're series regulars. When they're listed under "Guest Starring", they're either recurring or just that, guest stars.

Rebecca Mader was listed under "Starring" credits for most of her episodes this season, but she did say she was just recurring. Strangely enough she was also in all the promotional artwork for the season.

[Taryn]

Posted: 5/8/09 at 11:45pm

Any comments on last episode? My head is twisting around trying to figure out that compass that goes from Richard to Locke.

[jasonf]

Posted: 5/9/09 at 10:07am

I read somewhere that it had to do with avoiding a paradox. I think the idea was the same person couldn't have the compass twice.

I'm trying to figure out what the heck the incident is going to be, because blowing up the bomb is too obvious.

I'm also becoming more and more convinced that either Locke or Jack is Jacob, though why the name change and what happened is still very much in the air!

[violet72]

Posted: 5/10/09 at 9:25pm

I can not wait for this finale on Wed....it is gonna be a total game changer and it is suppose to be bigger then the whole Jack and Kate off the island finale...I also think either Jack or Locke are Jacob or Jack blows up the bomb and the plane lands in LA...should be awesome though and painful to wait 9 months to see what happens

[jasonf]

Posted: 5/11/09 at 2:10pm

I've been reading the theories about the plane landing in LA at the end of the season -- but I can't see how that will play out. How does that give them another whole season to play out, and more, how would that lead to them answering all the questions?

I'm leaning more towards Doc Jensen's idea that this season will end with Jack waking up on the beach again a la the pilot, with them starting the whole thing again. The big hole in that theory is Walt -- how in the WORLD will they deal with that?

[violet72]

Posted: 5/12/09 at 8:47am

I also saw a theory where they said that Jack was Jacob...but I don't know about that..I do like Doc Jensen's theory though. I know they have someone cast as young Jacob for this finale so I am anticipating this finale to be kinda trippy

[eatlasagna]

Posted: 5/13/09 at 3:46pm

TONIGHT IS THE NIGHT PEOPLE!!!!!! GET EXCITED!!!!

although J.J. hasn't really written or directed an episode lately... he did co-create this series and executive produces it.. and he's been on a roll lately!!! Fringe was AWESOME and Star Trek was Awesome!! So here's to continuting that streak tonight! and funny how Fringe deals with parallel universes and paradoxes and Star Trek deals with time travel... man J.J. sure loves this stuff! haha

[jasonf]

Posted: 5/13/09 at 4:29pm

SO excited. Seriously, I'm worried about having withdrawal after tonight given how much time I've invested in this show over the past couple of months!

[pli1018]

Posted: 5/13/09 at 11:30pm

OH MY GOD!

This will officially be the most excruciating wait for a season ever. Way to end it SO VAGUELY. But GOD what an intense episode.

I refuse to believe Juliet is dead.

PS: Just thought, now that we've seen them, could Rose and Bernard be Adam and Eve from the caves in season 1? Possible??

[adamgreer]

Posted: 5/13/09 at 11:45pm

They really know how to go out with a bang, don't they?

(pun intended)

[merriwether]

Posted: 5/14/09 at 1:38am

pli - i think you may be right!

this show has taken lots of different turns over the years, but it looks like the final stop is somewhere extremely spiritual or allegorically religious.

jacob and his friend have got to be god and satan, there is no other explanation. all the dialogue about "seeing" jacob and waiting for him, plus the fact that jacob was in white and the other in dark clothes, and jacob's appearance in the characters - he has got to be god.

[ray-andallthatjazz86]

Posted: 5/14/09 at 2:18am

I guess I'm in the minority but I was highly disappointed by the last scene. I had heard of a major death, and somehow after the second to last episode, I figured it was Juliet. What's sad about it is that Juliet is one of the most fascinating characters in the show, and Elizabeth Mitchell is such a great actress, I can't believe they killed her off, especially since she hasn't gotten an episode of her own since Season 3!
It was an interesting episode, but it wasn't as great as I thought it would be. I guess mostly because I had read that the cliffhanger would be a huge game-changer and it really didn't feel that way. I read that it would literally feel like we wouldn't know how there could possibly be a next season, and honestly, it seems very predictable that either the bomb exploded and Jack was right, or the bomb exploded and Miles was right.
I figured from the beginning that it was Locke's body that was in that box, I wish they had done more with that. I thought the actual moment where Ben kills Jacob was poorly staged and somewhat anti-climatic and overall I just was disappointed with this finale.
I know it's hard for them to top the Season 3 finale (I still consider it the best episode of any TV show I've ever seen) but still, I thought they could have done a lot better, and did they really have to kill off Juliet?

[ZONEACE]

Posted: 5/14/09 at 5:26am

LAME.

So disappointed. I'm sure other's figured it out earlier but as soon as they showed Lupidus what was in the crate I knew it was John, so for most of the finale tonight the conclusion of that part of the storyline was obvious. I too am really upset at the prospect of the death of Juliet, but I don't think she's really dead. I know there has been a lot of speculation, what Elizabeth being cast in Pilot of the V redux, but I'm not convinced.

But yeah, i really was not impressed with that finale. I knew we would get a cliff hanger, but after the way this season has gone, i was hoping for SOMETHING, since the almost every episode of the season has felt like set up for something else. I think they could have done this season in about 8 episodes.

[jasonf]

Posted: 5/14/09 at 7:55am

You guys totally missed the point. Juliet isn't the death.

I'm not sure who it is, but it's either Jacob or Locke who they were talking about as the major death. Jacob because, if the idea that he is God is right, obviously fairly major. Locke because we were supposed to believe that he was alive all along and now know for sure "our" Locke is dead.

I don't think Juliet was the death because her death would be no different from everyone else on the island. A nuclear bomb went off - wouldn't that kill EVERYONE (except Alpert pretty much)?

EDIT: (This is post 316!)

Updated On: 5/14/09 at 07:55 AM

[violet72]

Posted: 5/14/09 at 9:27am

In the opening scene, Jacob and the other being (who people name Esau and you'll see why in a minute) are on a very old island with the black rock ship. They are almost like "Q" characters from old Star Trek "Enterprise" testing humanity and Jacob keeps bringing humanity to the island to test them to see if they will make the right CHOICES (like Ben in the final scene). ESAU - is a devil character-finding loopholes to kill Jacob. He makes it clear in the opening scene he wants to kill Jacob. In the Bible, Esau KILLS Jacob his brother by STEALING his birthright and IMPERSONATING Jacob - like LOST'S Esau did with John Locke's body. (Remember - Dead is Dead). I believe he ("Esau") is any "ghost" we've seen - and he is NOT smokey - cuz smokey told Ben to obey Locke "Esau" at all costs - this was news to Esau and he was relieved he didn't have to convince Ben to kill him. Both Esau and Smokey are evil and fighting against Jacob and want his birthright - Protector/Lord of the Island - Jacob is pure and represents good throughout the episode. Jump to Final scene - Jacob says, "they're coming", this rocks Esau as he knows Juliet and the Oceanic 6 are trying to re-do time. And if this is the case, then Widmore and Hawking are on the side of Esau since they are the ones who manipulated Locke into finding the Oceanic 6 and Jack into bringing Locke?s body back to the island (since Esau needs the body on the island in order to steal the identity). Another instance of Locke being a pawn at other people's expense.I think the reveal that the Locke we know was really dead was the Big death everyone was alluding to. I loved this finale and I am in agony that we have to wait 9 months to see if Jack or Miles was right. And the scenes between Sawyer and Juliet were heartbreaking...both of them should be nominated for Emmys

Updated On: 5/14/09 at 09:27 AM

[jasonf]

Posted: 5/14/09 at 10:00am

Violet - I agree with everything you said.

I also think that Locke AND Ben have been manipulated since the beginning. The "Jacob" in the cabin was actually "Esau" trying to get free. He convinced Locke and Ben to do what he wanted in order to get saved. Somehow, though, Ben has been caught in this whole thing: his confession that he didn't see Jacob in the cabin, his pleading at the end "What about me?" -- he's been blindly following this whole time, thinking he was doing the right thing, and now realized "Esau" has been tricking him this whole time. Jacob actually IS the good one.

I think Juliet HAD to go into the hole in order to smash the bomb. No way could she have survived that fall - unless Jacob helped her. Remember, we saw Jacob die before Juliet woke up again - what if he woke her up and was able to smash the bomb?

On another note, Jacob went around touching all the Losties - except Miles and Juliet. Somehow Miles talking to the dead is again going to be very relevant - but perhaps their exposure to the bomb is going to give all of them powers a la Desmond in the Season 2 finale -- Miles just had his already because he was from the island in the first place?

A war is coming between good and evil -- I think Jacob has recruited his soldiers (those he touched). This could actually lead to a very interesting story arc for Juliet next season if she survives as I'm guessing she will....

I'm still wondering where Alpert falls into this. My guess: he was on the Black Rock and was the one "good" person on it, so Jacob granted him immortality. He has been working with Jacob all along to stop Esau from returning...

Just thoughts I've had - there's so much to process!

[pli1018]

Posted: 5/14/09 at 10:00am

Per Watch with Kristin, Juliet is the tragic death everyone has been speaking of for months. She's apparently a lead, not a guest star on V.

[violet72]

Posted: 5/14/09 at 10:13am

I hope Juliet does appear next season and it sucks if she doesn't...

Anyway here is something I found about the book Jacob was reading when he was waiting for Locke to fall out of the building..Flannery O?Connor ??Everything That Rises Must Converge,


Everything That Rises Must Converge?? as a prime example of O?Connor?s literary and moral genius. The story exemplifies her ability to expose human weakness and explore important moral questions through everyday situations. Considered a classic of the short story form, ??Everything That Rises Must Converge?? has been anthologized frequently.

The story describes the events surrounding a fateful bus trip that an arrogant young man takes with his bigoted mother. The mother insists on her son?s company because she doesn?t like to ride the bus alone, especially since the bus system was recently integrated. The tensions in their relationship come to a head when a black mother and son board the same bus.

O?Connor utilizes biting irony to expose the blindness and ignorance of her characters. The story?s title refers to an underlying religious message that is central to her work: she aims to expose the sinful nature of humanity that often goes unrecognized in the modern, secular world.

Wow...I can't take 9 months of waiting

[wickedrentq]

Posted: 5/14/09 at 10:14am

Wow, was I the only one who thought Sayid was the death? They said it would be a character we've known from season one, so it can't be Juliet...doesn't mean she's not dead, but...though now that I think about it, I bet it is Locke. It's really funny about a half an hour after the episode, it hit me that Locke's dead. Noo. I was still hoping it would be Jack.

But yeah, the Sawyer/Juliet scenes were heartbreaking.

[ray-andallthatjazz86]

Posted: 5/14/09 at 10:18am

I'm sure Terry O'Quinn is still in the cast. I wonder if Sayid is going to die, but something tells me he won't. It's just so sad that Juliet is gone, did they ever resolve her storyline? I thought there would be more involved with her research regarding the women on the island.

[ShbrtAlley44]

Posted: 5/14/09 at 10:26am

But in the Bible, it's Jacob who takes Esau's birthright (which Esau gives to him in exchange for some food) and impersonates him, not the other way around.

[jasonf]

Posted: 5/14/09 at 10:28am

I read Kristin's column on eonline and it's trash. Her writing is horrible -- her focus is entirely on the love polygon and not on anything significant that happened last night. I'll wait for Doc Jensen or Darlton to confirm her as the death before I believe it.

There are a couple of things that are keeping me wondering: 1)Shakespeare's Juliet killed herself when she thought Romeo was dead. Not sure that matched up with what we saw and they don't give names by accident here. Mitchell being on another show may mean a reduced role, but it doesn't mean she's done with Lost.
2)The red shirt - a tie in to Star Trek? Was her death utilitarian in that it served the plot? If so, she deserves more than that, hence her not necessarily being gone.
On the flip side, she was the one who repeated the mantra "Live together, die alone" -- though I still can't see how seeing off a H-bomb wouldn't kill EVERYONE on the island!