"Lost" Season 5 Excitement Thread- Page 11

[pli1018]

Posted: 3/19/09 at 7:50am

Another great episode. I loved that Sawyer put Jack in his place. I cringed when I found out the baby was Ethan!

[KingKong]

Posted: 3/21/09 at 11:08am

He's Our You is going to be a Sayid episode (i was looking around IMBD and Sayid's father and young sayid are characters) Also, the season finale title has been listed, it's The Incident.

My guess, is we'll get timeline realignment.
Updated On: 3/21/09 at 11:08 AM

[KingKong]

Posted: 3/25/09 at 10:05pm

HO. LY. ****. And next week we get Whatever Happened, Happened. The episode as a whole i thought was pretty boring, but with an end like that, just WOW.

[jasonf]

Posted: 3/25/09 at 10:37pm

I liked the episode - I thought Naveen Andrews did a really nice job - especially in the interrogation scene.

The end though -- I had to scrape my jaw off the floor. I mean, I EXPECTED him to do that, but figured it would be typical Lost - either dragged out into the next week or something would interrupt it.


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They kept showing the body in the previews - they showed it like three times - does that mean that he's not dead somehow?

The implications of what this could mean to EVERYTHING that's happened are HUGE.
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I'm going to have a hard time getting to sleep tonight...

[adamgreer]

Posted: 3/25/09 at 11:04pm

So....

(spoilers, obviously)

If young/in the past Ben Linus is dead, what implications does that have for grown-up/in the present Ben Linus, who as we know is very much alive???? Last we saw this Ben he was unconscious after being wacked over the head by Sun's canoe paddle.

I guess that's the million dollar question.

[KingKong]

Posted: 3/25/09 at 11:13pm

Technically, the last time we saw present Ben was when Ceasar showed him to alive again Locke (which technically occured after Sun knocked him out)

[adamgreer]

Posted: 3/25/09 at 11:17pm

Oh, that's right!

I guess that doesn't change the basic question, though. Which is, how does the fact that he's technically dead affect the present Ben Linus.

[KingKong]

Posted: 3/25/09 at 11:29pm

I don't think it will. I mean, we've been told before that THEY CAN NOT CHANGE ANYTHING. Daniel Farraday (and the next episode title) told us, "Whatever happened, happened."

[mijofly19]

Posted: 3/26/09 at 6:30am

That's true but Faraday was able to meet Desmond in the past and Desmond woke up in the middle of the night with this new memory.

It will be interesting how they resolve this though because Ben could be having these same memories of meeting Sayid as a child, but will he just remember being shot? Or will he have physical defects from it? I can't wait for next week.

[Mandi Moo]

Posted: 3/26/09 at 7:15am

I'm sure the island is going to save him somehow.

[jasonf]

Posted: 3/26/09 at 7:59am

As I said, I had a hard time going to sleep after that, but I think I figured out a possiblity.

The theory has been going around for some time now that the Others are already dead (Alpert etc.). Young Ben wanted to join them. What if this is HOW he joined them in the first place? What if Ben's been dead all along (it explains the constant beatings and how he survives) and this is how he becomes the leader of the Others? For Ben, this wouldn't be a time loop at all. He always got shot in the past - he knew all about 815 for a very long time. He knew Jack would be able to save him when he had the tumor. He knew Juliet would come to the island.

I think after his inevitable resurrection (no WAY is he dead!) we'll see that he learns everything he needs to know for when the Losties arrive "for the first time" and his entire goal from Seasons 2 and 3 was to make sure they get back to the island for all this to happen in the first place.

On a side note, I'm still wondering about that conversation Ben and Kate had on the beach back in season 3 - when he took her out of the cage and they sat down to breakfast or something? They never showed us the outcome of that - and I'm wondering if that conversation (which at the time had me thinking Kate was with Ben) is Kate's reason why she came back...

[dfwtheatreguy]

Posted: 3/26/09 at 6:29pm

if the Others are dead what about Charles Widmore? Locke met him in the 50s/60s and Widmore was under the command of Richard Alpert.

how does the Hostiles = dead play into Widmore's story?

[dfwtheatreguy]

Posted: 3/26/09 at 7:07pm

AND there is no way that little Ben is still alive - Sayid is not a bad shot by any stretch of the imagination, this would be the first time all season he missed someone at such close range

[jasonf]

Posted: 3/26/09 at 8:34pm

Who's to say Widmore isn't dead?
We've never seen Widmore get hurt, so never needed to see him get healed.
There's been speculation that he was the captain of the Black Rock (this was before we saw him at 17), so why not?

I agree Ben is dead, but there's no WAY he's gone.

Can you imagine if that was it for Ben - Michael Emerson was just DONE with no fanfare or anything? Not a chance.

[adamgreer]

Posted: 3/26/09 at 8:58pm

Speaking of Michael Emerson, I just have to say, it's a travesty that he hasn't won an Emmy yet for his work as Ben Linus. He's positively brilliant.

[mijofly19]

Posted: 3/26/09 at 10:34pm

jasonf that's an awesome theory that I've never heard before but how would that explain all of the dead Others? Tom, Mikhail, Mrs. Klugh, Karl, Alex, Pittman, the two women from the underwater station, etc.

adamgreer, agreed with Emerson and the Emmy. But this season the cast is so spread out that five episodes can go by without someone getting any screen time. I find it difficult to think that any of them could win this year. I realize that the awards are based on quality not quantity but since Terry O'Quinn has been the only Emmy-winner in such a great cast (once) I find it hard to believe that any of them have a shot when the cast continues to grow and the episode count continues to dwindle.

[eatlasagna]

Posted: 3/26/09 at 10:39pm

i haven't seen Mad Men... so i won't comment...

but i would LOVE for Lost to win Best Drama Emmy just one more time before it ends... hopefully the last season will be its emmy winning season... who knows...

and i do think Michael Emerson should have an Emmy for Ben... amazing work

as for the women.. the only one i think that deserved a nomination was Elizabeth Mitchell... her first season work (on season 3) as Juliet was utterly brilliant... i loved it... it was like a female version of Michael Emerson...

[adamgreer]

Posted: 3/26/09 at 10:42pm

Just the evolution that the character of Ben Linus has taken, which has been so fascinating to watch because of Emerson's unbelievable acting is enough to make me want to reward him. Remember when we first met Ben and he was a villain, a minor character? Now, he's practically the central character of the show, and the one people talk about more than anyone else.

[merriwether]

Posted: 3/29/09 at 7:57pm

okay, so here's something that popped into my head this morning while i was in the shower.

when lepidus was trying to land the plane on the small island (with sun and ben and dead locke) he used the radio and got a recording of someone reading "the numbers".

BUT the losties disabled rosseau's distress call on a loop and charlie disabled the other blocking signal in the looking glass station. so who is reading the numbers off and when did this signal begin??????????????????????

[eatlasagna]

Posted: 4/2/09 at 2:15am

aaargh... why is this show so damn good!

tonight's episode was great... i usually get bored during a Kate-centric story but not tonight... there were some great moments and it's cool to know that other people know the truth... other things

1) i'm glad that Kate went back for Claire and not for Saywer... FINALLY someone mentioned her... and i liked how she said they all looked for her... yeah right.. they just left her! haha

2) Sawyer saying "i did it for her" was just awesome... this guy has come a long way from the guy in season 1

3) Hurley and Miles... just a great conversation between the two

4) now we have confirmation why Ben wouldn't remember Sayid shooting him... so sad to know that his innocence was lost and we see the moment he really became an Other

5) i can't wait for next week's episode!

6) i really miss Sun!

[Taryn]

Posted: 4/2/09 at 4:00am

How's that for ironic: in his attempt to kill Ben, Sayid actually caused Ben to become the person he becomes.

[merriwether]

Posted: 4/2/09 at 1:44pm

Another awesome episode, like watching the origin story of some great super-villian, but a couple of things:

1) Sayid is NOT that bad of a shot, if he wanted little Ben dead he could have done it, he is an assassin and they were in close proxomity to each other

2) Does this explain why Ben took Kate out of her cage and had breakfast with her on the beach? Even though Richard said Ben would have no memory of Sayid shooting him, he would know that Kate was the one who saved his life and made him who he is

3) Hurley + Miles + Back to the Future = GREATNESS!

[Taryn]

Posted: 4/2/09 at 5:20pm

Even though Richard said Ben would have no memory of Sayid shooting him, he would know that Kate was the one who saved his life and made him who he is

I don't get your logic. Why would he remember the latter if he didn't remember the former? My understanding is that Ben wouldn't remember ANYTHING of the incident, including Kate's rescue.

[merriwether]

Posted: 4/2/09 at 5:58pm

well my assumption is that Ben will return to the Dharma people who will tell him that Kate was responsible for saving his life since he and she will be interacting more now that she lives in the 70s.

[jasonf]

Posted: 4/2/09 at 6:22pm

Another great episode. This is turning out to be as good or better a season than the first season was.

I have to say, Alpert at the end of this did nothing to dissuade me from my "they're already dead and resurrected" theory. Locke's line at the end "Welcome back to the land of the living" also CERTAINLY plays into that idea. At the very least, I do think the Others have the power to resurrect the dead -- remember their interest in Paul? It wasn't just to get even, I suspect. In fact, and maybe this is stretching, I'm predicting that Paul has been alive and is really Ethan's father. That's how he comes to be an Other and why Amy was so dead set against keeping Sayid around -- either she would worry about him knowing about her and Paul, OR because of Paul, she knows more than she's letting on and knows he's NOT an Other.

I liked that Kate's story felt very real. I was expecting some intrigue with Ben for why she went back, but this makes sense. I still think something happened on that beach...