#151
Posted: 10/1/08 at 10:32am
How do you tell an alcoholic that (A) he needs to dry out and (B) he's fired? Take him out for drinks, of course!
#152
Posted: 10/6/08 at 9:58am
Wow this weeks episode was just sad....I think something happened between Betty's dad and her....but her family is a piece of work...I actually got teared up when she was talking to Viola (the maid)...then when she turned Glenn in and he said he hated her, so sad. But maybe she can really start to talk to Helen Bishop about her problems...then Pete's mom is a witch, now I can see where he gets it from....also when Roger came in to speak to Don, Joan looked pissed at him...I loved when she told Paul he wasn't going to CA she took way too much pleasure in it....I really hope that Pete finds out about Peggy and the baby this season, but I don't think he will....they need to make the seasons longer
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#154
Posted: 10/12/08 at 11:11pm
ok I'm confizzled about Jane, did we know much about her before Sterling announced he's leaving his wife for her? or were the scenes where Joan tells her to button her blouse back up all we got about Jane? I don't remember any indication that she was gonna take up with da bossman.
and what about the hooker Sterling had? I thought he wanted a long term arrangement with her? did she just vanish?
and what about the hooker Sterling had? I thought he wanted a long term arrangement with her? did she just vanish?
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#155
Posted: 10/12/08 at 11:20pm
What a weird episode. I guess Don/Dick's adventure with the "nomads" was fitting.
We knew next to nothing about Jane, Chevstriss. The only indication we had that Roger may have had the hots for her was when she went in to say goodbye to him when Joan fired her, and he told her she could stay.
I wonder what was going through Sal's mind when the copy boy just casually announced that he was gay!
We knew next to nothing about Jane, Chevstriss. The only indication we had that Roger may have had the hots for her was when she went in to say goodbye to him when Joan fired her, and he told her she could stay.
I wonder what was going through Sal's mind when the copy boy just casually announced that he was gay!
#156
Posted: 10/12/08 at 11:34pm
I loved how Sal's profile was in every frame during the "I'm a homosexual" scene.
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#157
Posted: 10/12/08 at 11:40pm
And he was pretty explicit for a conservative corporate office in 1962..."I make love with ze men, not ze women." I loved Sal's profile, too. His face was absolutely frozen.
#158
Posted: 10/13/08 at 12:11am
didnt we get impression that he was with Jane last week or the week before, cant remember, when his wife made a scene at the office... stormed off... and then they showed Jane sitting at her desk crying? i had assumed thats what it was.
anyhow... this was a... weird episode. i didnt really get much of the Don stuff. just seemed odd. hope next week is better
anyhow... this was a... weird episode. i didnt really get much of the Don stuff. just seemed odd. hope next week is better
#159
Posted: 10/13/08 at 12:15am
Yes, we knew he left his wife for Jane the other week...but we didn't know a lot about her before that. She was shown to be a bit of a troublemaker (egging everyone on to sneak into Cooper's office to look at the painting).
It's a shame Roger has his head so far up his ass. Mona loved him. I think Jane is a user.
It's a shame Roger has his head so far up his ass. Mona loved him. I think Jane is a user.
#160
Posted: 10/13/08 at 4:19am
This was one of the best and most baffling episodes for me...
1. That sleazy "viscount" guy Don and Pete meet "accidentally at the bar - didn't Pete very casually ask if he knew him from somewhere, Newport?? hmmmmm??? There's a storyline? Something has to be connected with this guy and Pete's wealthy family?
2. He sets his "daughter" up with Don, and then just "drops in" to their room while they're in bed together? What????? (Skeezy)
3. Did Don have a heart attack near the pool, was he poisoned, drugged???? That whole scene was so Hitchcock? Was it REAL?
4. What was he looking at in the glass as he "passed out"? and who was that shady "Doc" almost injecting him with something?
5. Who was Don telephoning? "This is Dick Whitman!!" wtf????
6. Was BETTY at that bar (the blond, from the back?)
7. Ducky's gonna get burned bi time with his pursuit of Sterling Cooper.
8. So many questions, to be answered LATER...stay tuned.
That's what I love about this show....interrupted stream of concsiousness. Great things (outcomes of story lines and characters),
come to those who wait!
Remember, we also hardly know ANYTHING about Joan, her home life, upbringing, etc....hmmmm...
http://blogs.amctv.com/mad-men/talk/2008/10/episode-11-open.php#comments
1. That sleazy "viscount" guy Don and Pete meet "accidentally at the bar - didn't Pete very casually ask if he knew him from somewhere, Newport?? hmmmmm??? There's a storyline? Something has to be connected with this guy and Pete's wealthy family?
2. He sets his "daughter" up with Don, and then just "drops in" to their room while they're in bed together? What????? (Skeezy)
3. Did Don have a heart attack near the pool, was he poisoned, drugged???? That whole scene was so Hitchcock? Was it REAL?
4. What was he looking at in the glass as he "passed out"? and who was that shady "Doc" almost injecting him with something?
5. Who was Don telephoning? "This is Dick Whitman!!" wtf????
6. Was BETTY at that bar (the blond, from the back?)
7. Ducky's gonna get burned bi time with his pursuit of Sterling Cooper.
8. So many questions, to be answered LATER...stay tuned.
That's what I love about this show....interrupted stream of concsiousness. Great things (outcomes of story lines and characters),
come to those who wait!
Remember, we also hardly know ANYTHING about Joan, her home life, upbringing, etc....hmmmm...
http://blogs.amctv.com/mad-men/talk/2008/10/episode-11-open.php#comments
Updated On: 10/13/08 at 04:19 AM
#161
Posted: 10/13/08 at 10:38am
I agree, weird, baffling at times, and unsatisfying as a whole, alas. The first episode in two years that seemed to lack cohesiveness and momentum -- a bit of a dramatic thud. I loved the Betty stuff, all of it. But the A arc, Don's time-out-of-time sojourn with the capricious Eurotrash just feels too thin with strange TWIN PEAKS like elements grafted on.
From a character standpoint, Don's passive-aggressive behavior and monosyllabic response to everything asked of him reduced him to non-player in his own story. I lost patience with all the reaction shots -- Don in I Am A Camera Mode" doesn't engage. Yes, he's on a major downward spiral, especially from the top of the season; I wish he didn't seem so robotic. Becoming the boytoy of these continental dabblers didn't feel all that illuminating about Don or the world he inhabits.
Is it my imagination, or was the sort of Holly Golightly-esque jet-setterhe bedded a vocal duplicate for Betty? Her rhythms, her little girl demeanor, etc? Is it intentional? I found the actress charmless, but then, this whole episode is baffling.
With all the questions about being drugged, etc, did it jump the shark? I trust Weiner, but this felt plotted and structured by other hands. Maybe they were just trying for tonal variety. Maybe a 2nd viewing will help. I love the show, and have to assume we're at a turning point. Perhaps will look back and see this confusing and somewhat inert line made dramatic sense.
From a character standpoint, Don's passive-aggressive behavior and monosyllabic response to everything asked of him reduced him to non-player in his own story. I lost patience with all the reaction shots -- Don in I Am A Camera Mode" doesn't engage. Yes, he's on a major downward spiral, especially from the top of the season; I wish he didn't seem so robotic. Becoming the boytoy of these continental dabblers didn't feel all that illuminating about Don or the world he inhabits.
Is it my imagination, or was the sort of Holly Golightly-esque jet-setterhe bedded a vocal duplicate for Betty? Her rhythms, her little girl demeanor, etc? Is it intentional? I found the actress charmless, but then, this whole episode is baffling.
With all the questions about being drugged, etc, did it jump the shark? I trust Weiner, but this felt plotted and structured by other hands. Maybe they were just trying for tonal variety. Maybe a 2nd viewing will help. I love the show, and have to assume we're at a turning point. Perhaps will look back and see this confusing and somewhat inert line made dramatic sense.
"I'm a comedian, but in my spare time, things bother me." Garry Shandling
Updated On: 10/13/08 at 10:38 AM
#162
Posted: 10/13/08 at 11:02am
something very odd is afoot in Palm Springs (and damn don't I wish I was there right now, for totally different reasons).
Did anyone catch that the small blue Old Fashioned glass he was staring into wilst Joy swam away nude was cracked, almost appeared to be glued back together? Something people with money NEVER do. And where is the help? who is cooking and cleaning in this house?
Are these really penniless con artists? Clearly they are taking Don for a ride. But to where? and on the Scrambler or the Spider?
Did anyone catch that the small blue Old Fashioned glass he was staring into wilst Joy swam away nude was cracked, almost appeared to be glued back together? Something people with money NEVER do. And where is the help? who is cooking and cleaning in this house?
Are these really penniless con artists? Clearly they are taking Don for a ride. But to where? and on the Scrambler or the Spider?
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#163
Posted: 10/13/08 at 11:20am
I was also baffled by this episode.
First in the episode where Joan fires Jane and she talks to Roger, he asks where she lives, it was kinda implied that they were going to start an affair. After Mona's scene at the office it was Jane sitting at the desk crying and Don telling Roger he wants her off his desk. I agree we know nothing about Jane except she is from Trenton.
What is up with Duck? Is he going to screw Sterling/Cooper? Is he evil?
Loved the scene in the break room with Sal's reaction.
Felt so bad for Peggy when she asked him Why do I choose the wrong guy. Then when Pete came home and asked Peggy what was different about her.
Don- I liked how he saw someone who looked like Betty at the bar, and this nomad chick sounds just like her and is childlike.Remember the episode where Don bought the car and we had a flashback of him as a car salemen and the women came in and said, your not Don Draper. I bet he is going to see her.
This whole episode was about self. Peggy becoming something else, growing up. Sal seeing someone else being braver then him and then having to denograde it. Duck finally drinking and finding out he is better when he is. Roger loving young things. Don seeing these people who just drift and have no real identities.
A very weird episode, but somewhat intriguing
First in the episode where Joan fires Jane and she talks to Roger, he asks where she lives, it was kinda implied that they were going to start an affair. After Mona's scene at the office it was Jane sitting at the desk crying and Don telling Roger he wants her off his desk. I agree we know nothing about Jane except she is from Trenton.
What is up with Duck? Is he going to screw Sterling/Cooper? Is he evil?
Loved the scene in the break room with Sal's reaction.
Felt so bad for Peggy when she asked him Why do I choose the wrong guy. Then when Pete came home and asked Peggy what was different about her.
Don- I liked how he saw someone who looked like Betty at the bar, and this nomad chick sounds just like her and is childlike.Remember the episode where Don bought the car and we had a flashback of him as a car salemen and the women came in and said, your not Don Draper. I bet he is going to see her.
This whole episode was about self. Peggy becoming something else, growing up. Sal seeing someone else being braver then him and then having to denograde it. Duck finally drinking and finding out he is better when he is. Roger loving young things. Don seeing these people who just drift and have no real identities.
A very weird episode, but somewhat intriguing
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#164
Posted: 10/13/08 at 11:24am
But at least Peggy finally got rid of the pony tail! I loved how comfortable she was being the only woman in the conference room full of guys - and their teasing was surprisingly friendly. Peggy isn't fully accepted in her copy writing role yet but she is making progress.
Nothing about the California scene made sense to me. The blond in the bar certainly was just like Betty - did seeing her (and thinking about the mess at home) then make Don decide to take these huge chances?
Nothing about the California scene made sense to me. The blond in the bar certainly was just like Betty - did seeing her (and thinking about the mess at home) then make Don decide to take these huge chances?
#165
Posted: 10/13/08 at 11:39am
O hope Peggy let's blonde boy redo her completely. BTW what country is he from anyway? Denmark? Germany? Sweden?
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#167
Posted: 10/13/08 at 12:01pm
I thought they said something about Europe after he left the room.
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#168
Posted: 10/13/08 at 12:11pm
I thought he was either French or German, but I'm not sure.
I prefer when the storylines center around the office staff and the glimpses into their private lives (Peggy, Pete, Joan, Sal, etc.). Although the episode may turn out to be important, I didn't enjoy it.
I prefer when the storylines center around the office staff and the glimpses into their private lives (Peggy, Pete, Joan, Sal, etc.). Although the episode may turn out to be important, I didn't enjoy it.
#169
Posted: 10/13/08 at 4:59pm
I agree with everyone. A lot of the episode left me thinking WTF? But I trust them to tie it all together and make it all make sense. I also know they're going to make us be patient and drop bits and pieces of the puzzle into place slowly.
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#170
Posted: 10/14/08 at 8:47am
A friend in LA believes the Palm Springs sequences were homage to a certain "foreign film" style of the early sixities, i.e. to give it a FAR FROM HEAVEN tone/visual style. Doesn't seem very consistent with Wiener, and unlike anything else on the series, the eurotrash folk were badly cast, and cheap caricatures.
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#171
Posted: 10/14/08 at 9:13am
It all seemed like a bad dream sequence, Auggie! By the way, kudos to Pete for stepping up and apparently getting the job done on his own when Don ditched him. He was a bit of a tool for throwing in the "Dykman" name when introducing himself--unbeknownst to him, these folks were as far from conventional as one can get--but he is showing that he has value to the company. He'll never get the acceptance he longs for from Don, but there's no quelling this kid's ambition and determination. He is very intent on proving his worth.
The Betty Draper scenes (with the depression and the WASPy trappings and the oh-so-gorgeous dresses) are more reminiscent of Far From Heaven to me.
The Betty Draper scenes (with the depression and the WASPy trappings and the oh-so-gorgeous dresses) are more reminiscent of Far From Heaven to me.
Updated On: 10/14/08 at 09:13 AM
#172
Posted: 10/14/08 at 11:13am
I can't wait to see what happened to Paul. Do you think Roger is so in "love" with Jane and is giving up Mona because he is really upset that he didn't do this for Joan. Because she made him feel young and with her getting married he is losing her? IDK
I really think Don is going to go visit the women that we were introduced to in the car dealer flashback.
Do you think by the end of this season Pete will find out about Peggy's baby? Especially since his secretary knows about the plan to adopt a baby and you know how gossip is.
I really think Don is going to go visit the women that we were introduced to in the car dealer flashback.
Do you think by the end of this season Pete will find out about Peggy's baby? Especially since his secretary knows about the plan to adopt a baby and you know how gossip is.
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#173
Posted: 10/14/08 at 12:29pm
I miss this thread but I am always about a week behind with my Mad Men episodes. Just wanted to pop my head in and say hi! :)
So Im gathering this was a strange episode?? hmmm. By the time I see it y'all will be discussing next weeks episode.
So Im gathering this was a strange episode?? hmmm. By the time I see it y'all will be discussing next weeks episode.
#174
Posted: 10/14/08 at 4:47pm
Blue, what I wrote was confusing. I didn't mean FAR FROM HEAVEN in the strict parallel sense; I thought the Palm Springs sequences attempted to employ the film techniques of another era to serve a story set then. Actually, Wiener avoids a lot of FAR FROM HEAVEN's pristine attention to set details, costumes and lighting. The clothes are mussed, the ties badly knoted and crooked; the hair lopsided and even greasy. And the lighting is gritty, source-specific. The show is almost in black and white, no? Whereas FAR FROM HEAVEN both evoked its era and the style of director Sirk; the lighting was full of mid-50s technicolor palate -- lush blues and greens, saturated tones. Wiener's sensibilities are very far from that sort of hommage.
Yet this episode's scenes by the pool, etc, seemed to want to find a 1960 visual shorthand. So the "foreign film" look, the Anita Ekberg hair, the melange of accents, etc., might've accomplished that. To little end.
For what it's worth, I still consider FAR FROM HEAVEN a masterpiece. Curiously, MAD MEN -- brilliant as it is, and better scripted than HEAVEN -- seldom actually reminds me of it, in storytelling or style. They share the cusp of the same era, but are tonally miles apart.
Yet this episode's scenes by the pool, etc, seemed to want to find a 1960 visual shorthand. So the "foreign film" look, the Anita Ekberg hair, the melange of accents, etc., might've accomplished that. To little end.
For what it's worth, I still consider FAR FROM HEAVEN a masterpiece. Curiously, MAD MEN -- brilliant as it is, and better scripted than HEAVEN -- seldom actually reminds me of it, in storytelling or style. They share the cusp of the same era, but are tonally miles apart.
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