Meryl Streep's speech last night — Page 6

Because Obama realized his mistake and immediately apologized for it. Trump denies what he did. That's a remarkably big difference.

Updated On: 1/12/17 at 04:25 PM

kdogg36 said: "Well... the point is that there has been a lot of evasion on this issue from the progressive movement. The anti-war left disappeared for eight years while someone they liked was doing the killing.

I know it's not the original topic of this thread, but I wouldn't mind hearing the issue of Obama's militarism addressed head-on rather than brushed aside. Do you defend the drone killings, or not think it's a very important issue in the scheme of things, or what?"

It has been discussed by progressives. There were threads dedicated to the subject on this very board.

I didn't agree with Obama's drone policy. I didn't agree with many of his education policies. I spoke out about that while he was President. But I'm still comfortable saying that he has been the best President in my lifetime.

But again, THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH what Streep said at The Golden Globes.

And Petra, again you're making a false equivalency. OBAMA APOLOGIZED FOR THAT IMMEDIATEDLY. Trump denies that he ever did it even though we can all see it for ourselves on tape.

South Florida said: "Will the American people ever deny the use of superior weaponry on moral grounds?"

McCain answered that earlier today with a resounding "no" during the Senate confirmation hearings for Defense Secretary nominee James Mattis. I'll admit that I'm more hawkish in terms of self-defense than most on here but found myself gasping for air after McCain insisted on more DoD funding so that our soldiers are never constrained by the burden of a fair fight. It reminded me that Putin is not the only one who needs a new version of the Cold War. Perhaps, with the GOP in power it really is guns versus butter (or universal health care).

ETA: I could have shorted the text above to...don't bring a knife to a gunfight, brandish an AK-47 instead.

Updated On: 1/12/17 at 06:38 PM

I really veered off topic. Meryl is Hollywood royalty. We need everyone with voice and half a platform to speak out against the incoming kleptocrat by hook or crook even if done surreptitiously. Trump is an anomaly so it's not business as usual in the US.

"Streep to characterise Trump's administration as one that wants to kick out all foreigners and outsiders from America "

Oh, I bet he'd love to.

madbrian said: "The normally reticent Robert DeNiro supports Streep:

"You are usually very honest. but Reticent? He is long well known outspoken devoted Democrat. And made this nasty video threatening violence.

Updated On: 1/13/17 at 11:07 AM

Thank you song and dance. Will she stop? I'd be surprised.

songanddance, with all due respect, I'm calling bull on your post. You don't have a problem with people calling Ms. Jennifer Holliday "insane," "desperate," "disgusting," "gross," "idiotic," and "embarrassing" on another thread, but you do have a problem with Petra and I espousing remotely politically conservative views on others? Because I hold some conservative views, I've been accusing of holding multiple BWW accounts. Because Petra holds some conservative views, he/she has been called a troll. There are some actual trolls and multiple account users on here, and to target the extremely few conservative users as the core problem on these threads is a real misfire, in my opinion. Petra and I may raise questions and views that the majority on here disagree with, but at least we've never once resorted to nasty namecalling and rhetoric, such as accusing somebody has no work or personal life outside of here. It's quite rude and uncalled for.

ErikJ972 said: "It has been discussed by progressives. There were threads dedicated to the subject on this very board."

I apologize for suggesting otherwise, then. I've only been paying attention to the off-topic board for a few years, so I would have missed that.

"I didn't agree with Obama's drone policy. I didn't agree with many of his education policies. I spoke out about that while he was President. But I'm still comfortable saying that he has been the best President in my lifetime."

It's a deal-breaker for me. Obama has maintained a secret list of Muslims to be killed by drone, along with any unfortunates who happen to be in their presence. He's judge, jury, and executioner. He's killed an innocent teenager (an American, though that shouldn't really matter) and had one of his spokespeople say he should have picked a better father. This is simply something I cannot look past.

BroadwayConcierge, say something negative about Madonna and you will see the real Songanddanceman2 come out. He goes absolutely bat****e crazy about negative statements about Madonna. The same behavior he claims you and Petra exhibit....he does the exact same thing about Madonna. Don't get me wrong. I have no issue with Songanddanceman2. I have told him in the past that I enjoy reading his posts on various threads, What bothers me is that it's interesting to me, the MANY members on here who accuse other posters of things, when they do the same EXACT behavior. Don't you know that unless a thread is deleted, your past comments are easily found with the search engine? And for the record...I don't have a problem with you or Petra. You are both entitled to your opinions.

South Florida said: "Innocents have died undoubtedly, but can we put an exact price on this? Will the American people ever deny the use of superior weaponry on moral grounds? It's a form of war, and any form of war I hate, but do we really know if we've killed more lives than we've saved? I think you see this as murder, but why are drone strikes murder, and other forms of warfare not?"

Warfare, traditionally, has been understood as a bunch of guys from one tribe/country/whatever attacking your tribe/country/whatever. To protect yourself and your family, you use force to remove the direct threat.

But now we're talking about one person maintaining a list of people to kill from above, along with anyone who happens to be nearby. (They all just happen to be Muslims - a pure coincidence, I'm sure.) There is no judge or jury - no oversight at all. No public debate, no vote of Congress to declare war on anyone. No American life is put at risk - only innocent Arabs. Just a kill list and one person's say-so.

I'd say, given the level of violence we're talking about, the burden is on defenders of drone killings to demonstrate that this rather extraordinary program is somehow saving lives. If you're prepared to make that case, I'm all ears, as Ross Perot said. (That's a joke - take a look at my photo!) :)

If you haven't done so already, I encourage everyone to check out the flick Eye In the Sky (2015), starring Helen Mirren and Aaron Paul. The movie treats the topic of drone warfare brilliantly in spite of a paltry budget.