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#25Those on the Fence Will Also Fall
Posted: 9/13/06 at 6:21pmI NEVER vote for a republican....EVER. Their platform is always in direct conflict with my needs, and wants...so I will not support them.
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#26Those on the Fence Will Also Fall
Posted: 9/13/06 at 6:33pm
For all those who believe the two parties are CURRENTLY equally bad, please look at the thread I started for the Christopher Buckley essay.
Christopher Buckley is a conservative columnist and humorist and the author of Thank You for Smoking. He is also the son of copnservative icon William F. Buckley.
The essay explains how the CURRENT Republican Party has failed him.
Republican Christopher Buckley: 'What Have They Done to My Party?'
JohnBoy2
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#27Those on the Fence Will Also Fall
Posted: 9/13/06 at 9:24pmIndependent here. Luckily, there is no party registration in Virginia, where I live.
#28Those on the Fence Will Also Fall
Posted: 9/13/06 at 10:21pmI'm not old enough to vote yet (can't wait), but I'm not going to vote based on party affiliation. I hate it when my classmates make judgments about others just because the others admit they're republican.
A classic is something that everybody wants to have read and nobody wants to read - Mark Twain
#29Those on the Fence Will Also Fall
Posted: 9/13/06 at 10:25pm
Good for you, Nina! Tolerance is a virtue.
For a definition of INtolerance, check out the "Welcome to the Chanticleer148-free Zone" thread. 
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Vita, dulcedo, et spes nostra
Salve, Salve Regina
Ad te clamamus exsules filii Eva
Ad te suspiramus, gementes et flentes
O clemens O pia
#30Those on the Fence Will Also Fall
Posted: 9/13/06 at 10:30pm
The test of courage comes when we are in the minority. The test of tolerance comes when we are in the majority – Ralph W. Sockman
We cannot learn real patience and tolerance from a guru or a friend. They can be practiced only when we come in contact with someone who creates unpleasant experiences. – Dalai Lama
Though all society is founded on intolerance, all improvement is founded on tolerance – George Bernard Shaw
Tolerance implies no lack of commitment to one’s own beliefs. Rather is condemns the oppression or persecution of others. - JFK
You have your way. I have my way. As for the right way, the correct way, and the only way, it does not exist. – Friedrich Nietzsche
A classic is something that everybody wants to have read and nobody wants to read - Mark Twain
#31Those on the Fence Will Also Fall
Posted: 9/13/06 at 10:30pm
Political allegiance is something which should indicate a certain set of values, therefore for a person to say they are a "Republican" or a "Democrat" means that they are most likely making a series of statements about themselves, it is not intolerance to assume them.
It is true that these assumptions are not necessarily correct, but I wonder what purpose it serves to declare political allegiance if you do not hold with the ideology of the party.
I stand corrected, you are as vapid as they say.
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Gothampc
Broadway Legend Joined: 5/20/03
#32Those on the Fence Will Also Fall
Posted: 9/13/06 at 10:37pm
"I think what is tearing this country apart (besides Bush)"
It's not Bush that is tearing this country apart. It's people like you who keep saying nasty things about him that's doing it. You may not agree with him, but you don't have be so nasty about it.
If anyone ever tells you that you put too much Parmesan cheese on your pasta, stop talking to them. You don't need that kind of negativity in your life.
#33Those on the Fence Will Also Fall
Posted: 9/13/06 at 10:39pm
Once Bush started tearing up the Constitution, he became unworthy of my respect.
I posted another interesting column on the Christopher Buckley thread for those interested, this time from the left not the right.
#34Those on the Fence Will Also Fall
Posted: 9/13/06 at 10:43pm
I don't think Spider was trying to be nasty about it. Calling Bush names or making personal attacks would be "nasty". How else would you describe what he is doing (in a "less-nasty" fashion)? He is making the gap between the rich and the poor more evident? He is ostracizing those who aren't devout-Christians? He is pulling more power to the executive branch and appointing questionable justices to the judicial branch while the legislative branch can't write laws because party lines are so heavily drawn? Quite frankly, I think Bush and his posse ARE tearing the country apart.
I'm not trying to be nasty about it, I just need to make a point. No offense taken, I hope?
A classic is something that everybody wants to have read and nobody wants to read - Mark Twain
JohnBoy2
Broadway Legend Joined: 3/21/06
#35Those on the Fence Will Also Fall
Posted: 9/13/06 at 10:49pmI'm confused by the comment that you need to register a party, to vote in the primary. Not where I live. Is that a New York thing? Why do they do that?
#36Those on the Fence Will Also Fall
Posted: 9/13/06 at 10:51pmNope I am not registered to a particular party. I don't think either party is every completely correct or aligned with how I feel so I don't want to choose one to stay with when I end up fluctuating depending on issues.
And hang on, when did you win the discus?
#37Those on the Fence Will Also Fall
Posted: 9/13/06 at 10:52pm
Some states have "open primaries" where you simply need to be a registered voter to participate.
Other states have "closed primaries" that are open only to voters registered as members of the political party involved in that primary.
I stand corrected, you are as vapid as they say.
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#38Those on the Fence Will Also Fall
Posted: 9/13/06 at 10:52pm
It's like that in most states JB2.
That's just how the primary system works in most places.
But there is nothing to say that if you decide to register Democrat so you can vote in the Democratic primary that you can't vote Republican or Green or whatever come the general election.
ETA: I actually just found out that 27 states still hold closed primaries.
"You just can't win. Ever. Look at the bright side, at least you are not stuck in First Wives Club: The Musical. That would really suck. "
--Sueleen Gay
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JohnBoy2
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#39Those on the Fence Will Also Fall
Posted: 9/13/06 at 11:06pmOh, ok. I suppose I already knew that and had forgotten about it. Seems so strange. I'm just registered to vote. No party affiliation. I can vote for whomever I like. Seems like that's the way it should be, everywhere.
#40Those on the Fence Will Also Fall
Posted: 9/13/06 at 11:08pmThat is how it is in the general election, but some states hold closed primaries to avoid "cross over" voting as much as possible.
I stand corrected, you are as vapid as they say.
#41Those on the Fence Will Also Fall
Posted: 9/13/06 at 11:11pmSmartpenguin, sorry for being off-topic but I just noticed that you quoted Firefly. Kudos to you!
A classic is something that everybody wants to have read and nobody wants to read - Mark Twain
#42Those on the Fence Will Also Fall
Posted: 9/13/06 at 11:36pm
I have no party affliation either. I actually listen to the candidates. It's shocking how many people I know who claim to be politically-informed will go in and vote for someone specifically because of their party affliation. If a Republican honestly is the better person for the job, voting against them based on some petty territorial principle is ridiculous. It's also hypocritical to then turn around and claim Republican Candidiate X doesn't care about the welfare of the country and what's good for the people, because if someone is voting based on party affliation instead of the actual issues, they obviously aren't that concerned about what's good for the people either.
*not directed to anyone here, just MANY people I've known*
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#43Those on the Fence Will Also Fall
Posted: 9/13/06 at 11:42pm
While that is very true on an idvidual basis, there is at least on the national stage the seperate issue of "party control".
Because of the "winner take all" system on the national stage it is irresponsible not to consider that as an important issue.
If you actually care about a given set of controversial issues on one, those issues will not be addressed tp your satisfaction if the opposition party has control.
All the committes and control of the debate is given to the majority party, and while I do not advocate blindly voting for a candidate based on this, it is a valid issue to consider.
I stand corrected, you are as vapid as they say.
colleen_lee
Broadway Legend Joined: 8/16/05
#44Those on the Fence Will Also Fall
Posted: 9/13/06 at 11:44pm
I do agree with Clay.
The whole system is far more complex than many of you are making it out to be. Sometimes you have to vote party lines if you have a prayer of getting your bill of interest pushed through. Unfortunately in our current system, single candidate voting is not always terribly effective, and few candidates are willing to cross party lines as it is, so it's pretty unlikely that if you largely line up with the ideals of one particular party that you are going to find a candidate running under the opposing party that is going to meet your beliefs. Today's system largely caters to the outer fringe and not the moderates.
"You just can't win. Ever. Look at the bright side, at least you are not stuck in First Wives Club: The Musical. That would really suck. "
--Sueleen Gay
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#45Those on the Fence Will Also Fall
Posted: 9/14/06 at 7:17pm
I am registered as independent but since I no longer vote it means little
If someone wants to vote because they feel it makes a difference, I say go ahead. I am just tired of the whole sorry lot of them & their is no politcian in either party at any level I trust or respect
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