Obama Defends DOMA- Page 2

[nealb1]

Posted: 5/13/09 at 3:37pm

Thank you, madbrian!

[Phyllis Rogers Stone]

Posted: 5/13/09 at 3:40pm

I'm pretty sure his term is only four years.

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[Mister Matt]

Posted: 5/13/09 at 6:08pm

Not surprised, but truly disappointed.

Ditto.

I wanted Hillary but he's better than McCain.

Ditto.

I will say that PJ was amongst the few I encountered who was aware of the dangers of Obama's religious ties.

I hope I was amongst the few as well. It's why I didn't vote for Obama in the primaries. This reminds me of when I was overseas during the Bush administration. I would encounter anti-American sentiment and often be asked why I voted for such an evil tyrant. I would respond, "I didn't." I voted for Obama in the Presidential election because he was far superior to the alternative, but he was never my pick for the Dem candidate, primarily because of his conservative religious affiliations. I still don't trust him to get the job done regarding equal rights for the glibbit community.

[winston89]

Posted: 5/14/09 at 3:51am

What religious ties, where? If anything I don't think that he was more into his religion then any other candidate for the job. That is of course if you are smart and don't believe the bull**** that says that Obama is a Muslim.

I think that what was said earlier was true. That he did say that he was going to do it but give him time. Just because he didn't take care of something when YOU wanted him to, does not mean that the man is a bigot.

[Roscoe]

Posted: 5/14/09 at 8:42am

"Just because he didn't take care of something when YOU wanted him to, does not mean that the man is a bigot."

Quite right. On the other hand, endorsing discrimination against a specific minority and seeking to deprive them of equal protection under the law (his opposition to same-sex marriage is a matter of record) does make him a bigot.

[madbrian]

Posted: 5/14/09 at 9:09am

Actually, I believe he supports equal protection under the law. Many people believe that civil unions provide that, and avoid the religious implications that the word 'marriage' carry to so many people. Personally, I think the right to marry should be available to all, but I wouldn't accuse someone who supported civil unions of being a bigot.

[papalovesmambo]

Posted: 5/14/09 at 9:12am

a coward, maybe, an opportunist, surely, a liar, yep, but a bigot? hush yo mouf, roscoe.

Updated On: 5/14/09 at 09:12 AM

[Roscoe]

Posted: 5/14/09 at 9:14am

I would accuse someone who refuses to allow all the protections of the law to a specific minority a bigot. Barack Obama refuses to allow all the rights of marriage to same sex couples. He wilfully discriminates against same sex couples in a manner completely indefensible to a President who doubtless knows the unconstitutionality of Separate But Equal.

[Phyllis Rogers Stone]

Posted: 5/14/09 at 9:24am

He should also know the separation of church and state but he chalks his reservations about gay marriage up to god being "in the mix."

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[PalJoey]

Posted: 5/14/09 at 9:54am

Obama's "Gay Joke":

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xS51dMws5zk

[Mister Matt]

Posted: 5/14/09 at 11:10am

What religious ties, where?

One example...

Updated On: 5/14/09 at 11:10 AM

[Roscoe]

Posted: 5/14/09 at 11:17am

A fine piece by Andrew Sullivan below which sums up a lot, better than I could.
Mr. Sullivan Gets A Bad Feeling About This...

[PalJoey]

Posted: 5/14/09 at 3:12pm

Pam's House Blend agrees with Andrew, which doesn't happen often.

And Winston and Madbrian, she addresses this to you:

It's ridiculous to hear straight fellow progressives try to make excuses for President Obama about this. No one in the LGBT community that I know is saying these issues are more important than the economy, or a host of issues that affect us all. The fact they cannot deny is that he's not only not doing anything, he doesn't want to even discuss the matter. Is that not problematic?
Sully: A 'sickeningly familiar feeling' Obama's team wants LGBTs and our issues to go away

[papalovesmambo]

Posted: 5/14/09 at 3:24pm

i do take issue with one point that sully makes about no one wanting to speak on record about this. that's not a gay thing. no one in this administration will go on record about anything. there were stories about that in slate and the columbia journalism review. funny for the most transprarent administration in history.

[Roscoe]

Posted: 5/14/09 at 3:28pm

And Obama's decision to censor photos of the victims of American torture only shows his willingness to follow Bush/Cheney examples.

[Phyllis Rogers Stone]

Posted: 5/14/09 at 3:39pm

Plenty of gay people have echoed the sentiments of madbrian and winston as well. In some cases, with even MORE condescension.

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[papalovesmambo]

Posted: 5/14/09 at 3:42pm

yeah, yeah, it's not just straights!!

[WishingOnlyWounds2]

Posted: 5/14/09 at 3:44pm

Was my post seriously deleted? Wow.

Anyway, it's over Obama's head. There is a law saying gay people can not be in the army as it might make straight people who are also in it uncomfortable. I find it absurd though, if some one wants to fight, let them fight...

[JohnBoy2]

Posted: 5/14/09 at 7:34pm

No it's not over his head. As Commander-in-Chief, it is completely within the Executive Branch to do whatever he wants with the policy, including discontinuing it.

[winston89]

Posted: 5/15/09 at 2:46pm

The way I see it all marriages either heterosexual or homosexual are civil unions. That is the legal form of marriage and that actual marriage is more of a religious thing rather then a political one. He has said that he is all in favor of civil unions but not marriage. While that might not be a good thing to all it is a lot better then what was there before.

I honestly never saw the fine print that said that I had to be gay in order to support or agree with their position. Hell, people are comparing this to the civil rights movement. In that, people who were black where more then happy to find that a white person wanted to march side by side with them.

[Roscoe]

Posted: 5/15/09 at 3:54pm

Thanks, Winston, for continuing to advocate second-class human status for gays. You're in fine company, with Barack Obama, Carrie Prejean, and the entire Republican Party.

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[Phyllis Rogers Stone]

Posted: 5/15/09 at 4:05pm

The way I see it all marriages either heterosexual or homosexual are civil unions.

Yeah, but that's not how the law, the government, or even most Americans see it.

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Updated On: 5/15/09 at 04:05 PM

[PalJoey]

Posted: 5/15/09 at 10:47pm

A simple question flummoxes Obama's press secretary at the press briefing today: If the president is holding back the torture photographs to protect the lives of American troops, why can't he halt the discharge of Arab linguists whose work clearly protects the lives of American troops?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p62nklIRajs

[YouWantitWhen????]

Posted: 5/16/09 at 12:04am

Winston, the way you see it is wrong.

There are literally over a thousand rights/benefits that are not available to couples in a civil union that are recognized for married couples. Unless the law changes to treat all non-religious wedding ceremonies as civil unions, which today is not the case, a gay couple cannot legally get the same benefits from marriage (including such things as pension and social security benefits) as a straight couple.

It is an equal protection argument. Either all non-religious wedding ceremonies are treated the same by the law, or they are not. Currently they are not.

[winston89]

Posted: 5/16/09 at 6:37am

When I am wrong I will admit so.

and Roscoe, I would have no problem being in good company with Obama. And, this is for one good reason, neither one of us are bigots. I don't think gay marriage is wrong and I resent you trying to look it so that I think otherwise.