Obama condemns holocaust- predictably, National Review disagrees- Page 3

[PalJoey]

Posted: 2/2/13 at 11:07pm

We disagree. We disagree fundamentally.

[canmark]

Posted: 2/3/13 at 9:53am

>>>> That exactly is my point. It was SINGULARLY evil and cannot be compared to any other evil.

>>>> In fact, every evil of large magnitude--be it genocide or slavery--should never, ever be compared to others. Each one is SINGULARLY evil.

>>>> The act of comparison itself is odious. It NORMALIZES the evil in a way it should not be.

PalJoey, your comments remind me of Hector's statements in The History Boys.

Hector: Why can you not simply condemn the camps outright as an unprecedented horror?

Lockwood: No point, sir. Everybody will do that. That's the stock answer, sir... the camps an event unlike any other, the evil unprecedented, etc, etc.

Hector: No. Can't you see that even to say etcetera is monstrous? Etcetera is what the Nazis would have said, the dead reduced to a mere verbal abbreviation.

Posted: 2/4/13 at 11:50am

One thing I hope we can all agree on: Insurance companies participating in the Affordable Care Act are NOTHING like “the Jews boarding the trains to concentration camps.”

All of us can agree on that except of course Idaho Republican Senator Sheryl Nuxoll who happens to think just the opposite.

Nuxoll’s message, headed, “Another Reason against the State Health Insurance Exchange,” said in full, “The insurance companies are creating their own tombs. Much like the Jews boarding the trains to concentration camps, private insurers are used by the feds to put the system in place because the federal government has no way to set up the exchange. Several years from now, the federal government will want nothing to do with private insurance companies. The feds will have a national system of health insurance and they will pull the trigger on the insurance companies.”

Another message she posted a week earlier on Twitter said, “The health insurance exchange will be the battle for the legislature this year. It simply is replacing capitalism with socialism.”

Nuxoll said she made the analogy because “I felt badly for the Jews – it wasn’t just Jews, but Jews, and Christians, and Catholics, and priests. My thing was they didn’t know what was going on. The insurance companies are not realizing what’s going to end up in their demise.”
THE ACA: JUST LIKE The Holocaust

[suestorm]

Posted: 2/4/13 at 11:55am

the NAZIs killed 24 MILLION Russians. thats 24,000,000!!!!!!! people seem to forget or ignore that fact. thats mre then Americans, Jews, Brits combined.

[PalJoey]

Posted: 2/4/13 at 11:58am

Nuke Idaho.

Oh, sorry, but don't judge me for saying that. As Idaho Senator Brent Hill said, "When we are emotional about something, sometimes we use hyperbole to get across our point. We need to be careful not to judge one another on the way we say things – we need to try to understand one another."

Nuke Idaho.

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 2/4/13 at 12:03pm

It's really hard for those people who insist on listing other victims of Nazi atrocities to avoid revealing their anti-Semitism, isn't it?

Posted: 2/4/13 at 12:04pm

In 10 minutes, a hurricane releases more energy than all of the world's nuclear weapons combined.

[Mister Matt]

Posted: 2/4/13 at 3:00pm

Yeah, but hurricanes are caused by gays, not the federal government.

[Yawper]

Posted: 2/4/13 at 6:57pm

Why shouldn't non-Jewish victims be mentioned? They constitute 45% of Holocaust deaths.

Posted: 2/4/13 at 7:15pm

Who said non-Jews shouldn't be mentioned?

[Yawper]

Posted: 2/4/13 at 7:24pm

*Someone* seems to have a problem with it:

It's really hard for those people who insist on listing other victims of Nazi atrocities to avoid revealing their anti-Semitism, isn't it?

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 2/4/13 at 7:32pm

c.f. Storm, Susan; internet trolls and anti-Semitism; Holocaust denial

[YouWantitWhen????]

Posted: 2/4/13 at 7:36pm

For the record, the number of Russians killed is estimated at about 14 Million, with more than 1/2 civilian deaths.

The total number of Soviet's killed during WW2 is thought to be 26 Million.

That includes Jews killed in occupied areas.

And, no one is downplaying the significance of the losses suffered by the Soviets during WW2. The Nazis were as brutal on the front as they were in the camps.

In terms of loss, Belarus actually suffered much more than Russia. 25% of its population was lost during WW2.





Updated On: 2/4/13 at 07:36 PM

[Yawper]

Posted: 2/4/13 at 8:18pm

The 160 day siege of Stalingrad killed as many people as died in Auschwitz during the 4.5 years the Nazis ran it.

[YouWantitWhen????]

Posted: 2/4/13 at 8:29pm

And your point is?

Comparing casualties in active war zone vs. what was done to civilians is apples and oranges.

And, I don't think that is true. 2.5 Million died at Auschwitz.

The estimates for Stalingrad were 1.2 Million Soviets.

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 2/4/13 at 8:44pm

Historically, it has been true that folks who start arguing about other victims and creating hierarchies of oppression in relation to the Nazi genocide are greasing up the slippery slope of Holocaust denial.

[suestorm]

Posted: 2/4/13 at 8:59pm

Yawn... desperate cry for attention by nemo.

[Jordan Catalano]

Posted: 2/4/13 at 8:59pm

yeah nemo listn to sustrm she rite about u an ur nam an wht u say

[suestorm]

Posted: 2/4/13 at 9:08pm

fyi insulting someone for their nation of origin is as wrong as insulting someones choice of sexuality. #hypocrisysucks

[Jordan Catalano]

Posted: 2/4/13 at 9:09pm

#bitchplease

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 2/4/13 at 9:33pm

[YouWantitWhen????]

Posted: 2/4/13 at 9:33pm

Namo, I agree - it seems like the attempt is to marginalize the Holocaust by comparing two different things. One, is horrific losses on the front lines of battle in a war, and the other is the systematic attempt to exterminate entire classes of people (Jews, Gays, Communists ...)

The inference that somehow the losses from the Holocaust were lessened because of casualties in a war zone is the mother of all false equivalences.

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 2/4/13 at 9:38pm

I don't think everybody who does it is Anti-Semitic, but I think those who aren't are probably not aware of the historic Anti-Semitic use of that line of argument.

[YouWantitWhen????]

Posted: 2/4/13 at 9:44pm

Yep.

[Yawper]

Posted: 2/4/13 at 9:49pm

drop the Anti-Semitism **** - it just fosters more

by constantly propagandizing the Holocaust as a Jewish problem it makes the history less relevant to non-Jews

YWIW -

http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10005189