Obama condemns holocaust- predictably, National Review disagrees- Page 2

[CarlosAlberto]

Posted: 2/1/13 at 3:19pm

Wow! That article is truly disturbing.

Posted: 2/1/13 at 3:41pm

Exactly Reg- one of the many disturbing things about that article is the insertion of random non-related 'piling on' of Obama but NEVER ONCE agreeing with the assertion the Holocaust was ghastly or pointing that the Nazi manifesto was truly horrible.

It does make me smile to see conservatives imply that the Nazi rise to power was justified because they managed to attract "a third of the votes in German elections." I bet for a party like the Republicans, that thought is very comforting! "Hey WE got 47%! We'd be RUNNING Germany with numbers like that!"

[Mister Matt]

Posted: 2/1/13 at 3:45pm

If the author wants to battle semantics, then I think "senseless" could indeed apply if the Nazis wanted a Jew-free Germany. Rather than deport and expel the Jews from the country, they chose to violently torture and murder them. Then expand beyond their country's borders. Not to mention the fact that it was pretty senseless to to say "The idea that all violence is 'senseless' violence is one that has taken deep root on the left". Nobody said that, but it sure comes in handy when you're trying to provoke an audience.

[henrikegerman]

Posted: 2/1/13 at 4:01pm

Thank you National Review Online for standing up against Obama and for those "sensible" Nazis and their "sensible" genocide.



Updated On: 2/1/13 at 04:01 PM

[artscallion]

Posted: 2/1/13 at 4:21pm

Just because the perpetrator of an act sees sense in it, does not mean that we see the same. Many calculated, horrific acts, like school shootings, make sense to the person doing them. To most of the rest of us they are senseless.

To me, in this context, senseless means something unsound or unreasonable, not something random.

The right is hitting all time lows in ridiculousness.

Updated On: 2/1/13 at 04:21 PM

[Wildcard]

Posted: 2/1/13 at 6:09pm

Thanks Obama!

[AbbyNormal13]

Posted: 2/1/13 at 8:47pm

Yikes fingerlakes, your only post on this thread is to call me a name even when I haven't even posted about it. You really don't have much going on upstairs do you? :) Kind of immature, don't you think?

[ghostlight2]

Posted: 2/1/13 at 8:49pm

Moving right along, folks. Nothing to see here.

[SNAFU]

Posted: 2/1/13 at 8:53pm

Did some just fart?

[Yawper]

Posted: 2/1/13 at 10:32pm

Rather than deport and expel the Jews from the country

that was the original plan

I think there is some legitimacy in pointing out that the complexity of the Holocaust and Nazism have been, in modern times, trivialized via reduction to generalities, labels, and name calling.

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 2/1/13 at 10:39pm

Yeah, people are so quick to yell "NAZI!" at the Nazis.

[Yawper]

Posted: 2/1/13 at 10:45pm

Hitler was Judy Garland with a mean streak.

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 2/1/13 at 10:50pm

You're thinking of Peter Quilter.

[Yawper]

Posted: 2/1/13 at 11:03pm

speed freak with foaming at the mouth followers who would do anything to earn recognition and favor (aside from those just glomming on for personal enrichment)?

[Plum]

Posted: 2/1/13 at 11:10pm

Rather than deport and expel the Jews from the country, they chose to violently torture and murder them.

Okay, first of all, that wouldn't have been a "sensible" plan, because it's still racist as ****. Second of all, the Nazis did try it, but guess what? The US, UK, and other paragons of the soon-to-be Allies didn't want to take all those Jewish refugees. Look up the Evian Conference.

Finally, everything about the original post is ridiculous. I can't believe that even needs saying, but apparently some people are still laboring under the delusion that the National Review is something other than a white supremacist apologist publication.

[ghostlight2]

Posted: 2/1/13 at 11:14pm

I suppose the National Review would take equal exception to this guy's remarks:

"Those who perished as a result of Nazi terror, millions of individual men and women and children whose lives were taken so senselessly, must never be forgotten."

except those are the words of Ronald Reagan, 30 years ago.
The entire speech

[Yawper]

Posted: 2/1/13 at 11:30pm

If they want to be consistent they would.

[suestorm]

Posted: 2/2/13 at 8:55am

Us uk and other allies........ let's not forget that if it wasn't for the USSR... Europe would be speaking German

[Wynbish]

Posted: 2/2/13 at 8:59am

You mean, more than the Europeans from Germany

Wasn't there a Phillip K Dick novel that imagined Germany and Japan winning the war with each owning half the world?

[Mister Matt]

Posted: 2/2/13 at 12:15pm

Okay, first of all, that wouldn't have been a "sensible" plan, because it's still racist as ****.

That wasn't my argument. I was commenting directly on the National Review article.

[PalJoey]

Posted: 2/2/13 at 12:36pm

The writer of the article in the National Journal is a stupid twit, and her writing is "senseless" in that it makes no sense. The point she thinks she is making is the opposite of the point she seems to have intended to make, because she is a dim-witted doctrinaire twit.

The writer of these words, a member of the Nazi government in 1941, was pure evil. His words mean exactly what he intended them to mean.

By the time of his writing, the Nazis had exterminated nearly 190,000 of the 200,000 Jews of Lithuania, which proved to them that it was indeed possible to eradicate every Jew in Europe as they took over all of Europe:


As for the Jews, well, I can tell you quite frankly that one way or another we have to put an end to them. The Führer once put it this way: if the combined forces of Judaism should again succeed in unleashing a world war, that would mean the end of the Jews in Europe. ...

I urge you: Stand together with me ... on this idea at least: Save your sympathy for the German people alone. Don't waste it on anyone else in the world, ...

I would therefore be guided by the basic expectation that they are going to disappear. They have to be gotten rid of. At present I am involved in discussions aimed at having them moved away to the east. In January there is going to be an important meeting in Berlin to discuss this question. I am going to send State Secretary Dr. Buhler to this meeting. It is scheduled to take place in the offices of the RSHA in the presence of Obergruppenführer Heydrich.

Whatever its outcome, a great Jewish emigration will commence. But what is going to happen to these Jews? Do you imagine there will be settlement villages for them in the Ostland? In Berlin we were told: Why are you making all this trouble for us? There is nothing we can do with them here in the Ostland or in the Reich Commissariat. Liquidate them yourselves! ...

Here are 3.5 million Jews that we can't shoot, we can't poison. But there are some things we can do, and one way or another these measures will successfully lead to a liquidation. They are related to the measures under discussion with the Reich....

Where and how this will all take place will be a matter for offices that we will have to establish and operate here. I will report to you on their operation at the appropriate time.

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[CarlosAlberto]

Posted: 2/2/13 at 4:12pm

I couldn't finish reading that letter. I can't and never will comprehend evil and hatred at that grand of a scale. It's chilling.

[Yawper]

Posted: 2/2/13 at 8:16pm

Similar mindsets of hate occur all the time. The Holocaust was neither the first nor the last instance of genocide. The Nazis were just very, very good at what they did, until Hitler made himself commander in chief of the Wehrmacht. Even then he came close to chasing Stalin out of Moscow.

[PalJoey]

Posted: 2/2/13 at 8:50pm

Similar mindsets of hate occur all the time.

No, no, no, no, no, no, NO!

That exactly is my point. It was SINGULARLY evil and cannot be compared to any other evil.

In fact, every evil of large magnitude--be it genocide or slavery--should never, ever be compared to others. Each one is SINGULARLY evil.

The act of comparison itself is odious. It NORMALIZES the evil in a way it should not be.

[Yawper]

Posted: 2/2/13 at 8:58pm

I disagree. Approaching situations with that attitude is what allows them to reoccur.