Papa John's Pizza Obamacare Hypocrisy- Page 3

[Yawper]

Posted: 11/11/12 at 5:17pm

Revenue doesn't mean squat - high revenue companies can have absolutely horrid balance sheets.

It's common practice in crap franchise companies to expand too quickly and overexpand. The top dog doesn't care because he makes his money when a location opens. He doesn't care how well each location performs. If one closes he'll just sell rights to some other sucker and drain their savings, too.

Here's the reality: Businesses, especially small businesses, come and go. More often than not it's because they're poorly conceived or managed.

[romantico]

Posted: 11/11/12 at 5:19pm

Abby, try not to think.

I could give you an answer but your biased mind would not accept it.You are a troll. You ask questions and demand answers. When posters give you the answers, you scream and deny it because they are not the answers you want to hear.If I honestly thought you were sincere and that we could engage in a discussion so I could see where you were coming from and vice versa then I would like that. However, you can not be trusted. You have lied. You have gone by other screen names.Others here have answered your questions better than I could have and you still refuse to believe it. Reginald has been more than patient with you and given you you honest thoughtful answers yet you reject them on all counts.

Honestly. What could I say to you? You are biased and keep trolling around here because EVERYONE else is wrong and you are the only one who is right. If I were posting somewhere and NO ONE AGREED WITH ME ON ANYTHING I would pack it in. If I went to Brietbart or Free Republic and began posting pro Obama threads and discovered no one agreed with me on ANYTHING I would have enough sense to realize that I am wasting my time.

Hey, it's a free country. Post away. You have a right to voice your opinions. However, you are wrong and you are not gonna find anyone here who agrees with you. You are not gonna sway someone to your way of thinking. Some would say you have too much time on your hand,after all what sane person would try so hard to convert a group onto thinking your way? Your party hates gay people and most here are gay.

So, if I don't answer your dumb questions that have probably been answered here before it's not that I can't. It's just that I have nothing to gain by it.You simply can not be taught.

[Reginald Tresilian]

Posted: 11/11/12 at 5:19pm

While we're showing (deserved) concern for the middle-class business owners, can we spare a thought for the workers, making minimum wage or less, or can't afford the basics of health care?

I'd love for Barbara Ehrenreich to update her classic "Nickel and Dimed" in light of all this.

[Phyllis Rogers Stone]

Posted: 11/11/12 at 5:19pm

Businesses, especially small businesses, come and go.

Another good reason why a single-payer system is needed.

[iliveintherealworld]

Posted: 11/11/12 at 5:19pm

I agree it would be nice to pass on the extra cost to the consumer. I'm not sure this 14 cent number being floated is accurate, but if so great.

However it's a very competitive industry and most companies are conservative, so instead of the parent company changing prices, the franchisees are going to have to eat it internally.

I don't blame them for being conservative but it would be nice if they took a risk. However for all I know, they may have a study saying raising their price by 14 cents could lead to huge losses.

[Addison D.]

Posted: 11/11/12 at 5:21pm

"The only point I was trying to make is everyone has their own school of thought and should be entitled to follow it"


That, as I understand it, is the crux of this debate, the distinction between the two political parties, and the source of all the enmity and bad feeling that colors these "discussions".

I believe--and I think that the Democratic party "believes"--that the Federal government has a role in encouraging employers to conform to a model that reflects MY school of thought,whereas the Republicans believe that this kind of legislation is an express lane to the Apocalypse--and not the good, Christian Apocalypse, but the bad, scary one in which the 1% are forced to part with some of their money.

They think I'm an Evil, un-American Marxist and I think they are reprehensibly selfish, greedy, short-sighted and evil.

And thus the name-calling.

[Playbilly]

Posted: 11/11/12 at 5:23pm

Yeah, PJ. How many millions did you pay to become the official pizza of the NFL? And, you raised your pizza prices to pay for it. Pizza with a giant profit margin to begin with.

You make Mark Cuban seem cuddly.

[Addison D.]

Posted: 11/11/12 at 5:27pm

Mark Cuban IS cuddly.

Updated On: 11/11/12 at 05:27 PM

[iliveintherealworld]

Posted: 11/11/12 at 5:27pm

Well, Addison D, I'm not name calling but just trying to have a thoughtful discussion. I'm personally an independent but voted for Obama. I valued social issues over economic and unfortunately the Republican party has become a bit too extreme for some of us moderates.

That said, you're certainly entitled to feel that the government has a responsibility to encourage businesses to conform. And I staunchly disagree, because I feel everyone should be entitled to follow their own school of thought. Even though I agree with yours, I believe it's a breach of liberty to force others to. That said, I'm not sure there's much more left for us to personally debate because we just disagree on fundamentals of how we should be governed. And I think that's fine and I respect you having an opinion.

We had an educated discourse though, unlike others here who just have misdirected anger and don't understand how business or the economy works.
Updated On: 11/11/12 at 05:27 PM

[iliveintherealworld]

Posted: 11/11/12 at 5:32pm

Also, Reginald Tresilian, yes we can spare a thought for the workers who can't afford health care. And I believe all Americans should have free, universal health care. That said, I'm not exactly sure it should be a business owner's obligation to pay for it. Though if I owned a business and had the financial resources to, I definitely would.

We need a system that is all inclusive of everyone. And the great thing about our capitalism system, is that in theory an employee can deny working for an employer if they don't provide good enough compensation such as health care. And instead said employee will find for and work for an employer who does. In reality, this doesn't exactly happen. But to a large extent it does and that's why unions exist. That's another big, complicated topic though.

[TheatreDiva90016]

Posted: 11/11/12 at 5:53pm

"And guys, this is what I mean about not being educated. TheatreDiva, you uploaded a poster on this thread identifying Zane Tankel as the CEO of Applebee's. HE'S NOT. "

It doesn't matter whose face is there, they are all the same. I just find it amazing that you are spending so much time trying to make it sound like companies care about their employees.

[iliveintherealworld]

Posted: 11/11/12 at 6:01pm

TheatreDiva, no actually they are not the same. Zane Tankel doesn't speak for Applebee's. He speaks for the 34 locations he owns in the New York area.

Julia Stewart, the CEO of DineEquity (which owns Applebee's) controls over 2,000 locations worldwide. She hasn't said anything. So it's actually completely different and it does matter whose face is on the poster.

You can't sum up the views of a multinational corporation based on one minority franchise owner.

Now can we go back to educating ourselves instead of generalizing topics and assigning blame wherever we can?

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[Phyllis Rogers Stone]

Posted: 11/11/12 at 6:02pm

Educate us on what possessed you to join Broadwayworld to talk solely about Papa John's.

[iliveintherealworld]

Posted: 11/11/12 at 6:03pm

My background is completely irrelevant to this conversation. Now let's get back to the actual topic instead of diverting away.

[Jungle Red]

Posted: 11/11/12 at 6:29pm

I agree with the above statement about businesses who have bad business models should probably quit and start over instead of losing the five or six bucks it'll take to pay for insurance.

The ACA doesn't fully go into effect for a few more months, does it not? And President Obama has said that it'll change overtime too. I don't see the point of arguing about it, since it sounds like only one person here will be affected. (In this small business having to pay more to take care of their employees part anyway.)

Addison, if you're already doing more than the law requires, will this affect your bottom line at all?

[TheatreDiva90016]

Posted: 11/11/12 at 6:36pm

Obviously someone is very invested in Papa Johns. And you aren't doing him any favors...

"The leadership in the Republican Party and the leadership in the conservative movement has to pull back, let people float new ideas. Let's have a serious debate. Don’t scream and yell when one person says, 'You know what? It won’t kill the country if we raise taxes a little bit on millionaires.' It really won't, I don’t think."

Don't fall on your own sword protecting the millionaires

Updated On: 11/11/12 at 06:36 PM

[artscallion]

Posted: 11/11/12 at 6:38pm

Wait, I'm confused. Is it the guys who own 20 franchises in NYC we are worried about? Because if you own 20 franchises in NYC, you are not a struggling, middle class schmoe.

Or is it the real struggling middle class schmoe we're worried about? Cause they probably don't have the multiple franchises that would boost them into the danger zone for this law.

It seems we are hearing them described as both, depending on which description will work in the argument of the moment. So which are they...regular middle class guys who own one or two franchises and won't be effected? Or wealthy guys who own enough franchises to be effected, but can afford the expense?

[Jungle Red]

Posted: 11/11/12 at 6:43pm

I'm pretty sure my friend who owns the Del Taco only has that one franchise.

If you own 20+ then you can definitely afford the dimes and nickles per employee.

[iliveintherealworld]

Posted: 11/11/12 at 6:43pm

No TheatreDiva, I'm actually not invested in Poppa John's what so ever. Or Applebee's. I'm using this forum to have a conversation, as that's what it was designed for.

I have a real, fact based opinion. I don't make over generalizations and I don't attack anyone personally. Instead I point out the many flaws in your statements and silly inaccuracies (such as painting a small franchise owner as the CEO and voice of a huge multinational corporation).

[iliveintherealworld]

Posted: 11/11/12 at 6:45pm

If only you would follow your own quote and have a "serious debate" based on fact instead of just finding ways to share everything but a well thought out opinion.

[iliveintherealworld]

Posted: 11/11/12 at 6:49pm

artscallion, good point. If it is true that you need 50+ employees, the middle class will likely be ok here.

Though you can have three or four locations with 50+ employees and still be middle class.

For the bigger guys, this will obviously still have an effect. Will it kill them? Probably not. Do they want to uphold their profits and lifestyle and not compromise? Most of the time, likely. Is there anything wrong with that? I don't see why not.

It's not their job to provide health insurance. If an employee doesn't like it, don't work for them. If enough employees don't like it and enough consumers stop spending money with them, things will change.

But that's what's great about capitalism. It's actually a fair system. No matter how much people want to yell and scream, if they have a minority point of view, they will stay a minority. If a vast majority of people feel this way then their wallets will speak for themselves and create change.

[Jungle Red]

Posted: 11/11/12 at 6:54pm

People should just move to San Francisco, where it's the law to provide health care.

ETA: I just read that surgeries for transgendered men and women are now covered under Healthy SF. Updated On: 11/11/12 at 06:54 PM

[Phyllis Rogers Stone]

Posted: 11/11/12 at 7:04pm

Why did you join Broadwayworld just to talk about Papa John's?

[TheatreDiva90016]

Posted: 11/11/12 at 7:07pm

I find it highly suspect that someone joins a theatre chat board to discuss any subject on the off topic board.

So you'll have to excuse me for not continuing the conversation with someone who obviously has a hidden agenda.

[Phyllis Rogers Stone]

Posted: 11/11/12 at 7:12pm

Hidden personality, too!