Papa John's Pizza Obamacare Hypocrisy- Page 4

[strummergirl]

Posted: 11/11/12 at 7:16pm

I thought this person was another AbbyNormal account.

Papa John sounds a lot like David Siegel, the time share magnate, who also threatened massive layoffs to when Obama got elected. This is the same guy profiled in the documentary Queen of Versailles. He built that grotesque property in Florida based on a Vegas-fied Chateau de Versailles while he seemingly couldn't predict the collapse of the financial system. These types of nouveau riche businesspeople who make these grand threats based on unpredictable trends deserve to get their butts kicked by capitalism.

And Papa John got Peyton Manning to buy a bunch of franchises in Colorado in addition to appearing in his commercials. Poor baby.

[Addison D.]

Posted: 11/11/12 at 7:17pm

"But that's what's great about capitalism. It's actually a fair system. No matter how much people want to yell and scream, if they have a minority point of view, they will stay a minority. If a vast majority of people feel this way then their wallets will speak for themselves and create change."

Isn't that, more precisely, what's great about Democracy? And didn't the majority just express their support for the guy who wants to use the force of the Federal Government to encourage businesses to provide adequate health care for a larger section of the workforce?

[Addison D.]

Posted: 11/11/12 at 7:22pm

JRed--I can't imagine that complying with ACA will have any impact on my business whatsoever, beyond--I'm just guessing here--a bunch of byzantine paperwork that reads like it was translated from German into English by a non-English speaker. But that's why God invented accountants.

[Playbilly]

Posted: 11/11/12 at 7:27pm

Now that Obama has been re elected, all of the things he wanted will not be of any matter to the Right. They'll move onto complaining about something else. Public television, maybe.

[strummergirl]

Posted: 11/11/12 at 7:35pm

GOP consensus group-think seems to be moving toward comprehensive immigration reform this week alone. I do wonder how many undocumented workers not only are employed by Papa John's but their status is abused by franchise owners such as below minimum wage pay and using their undocumented status as a means of compliance. I am not singling out Papa John's as any corporation that requires low-skilled workers can be used as this example.

Also some of the GOP consensus group-think this morning admitted that the 'tax the rich' measure of the fiscal cliff probably should happen.

[Jungle Red]

Posted: 11/11/12 at 7:39pm

I read a figure that said something like only 97% of small businesses will be affected by the ACA, and the other 3% make so much that it won't have a negative impact.

Since I didn't take the time to do my own research, I won't preach it as fact, but it sounds right to me.

So far, I haven't heard anything from Limited Brands (owner of Bath and Body Works and Victoria's Secret) about this. I doubt I will.

[Playbilly]

Posted: 11/11/12 at 7:42pm

That deafening silence is Michelle Bachmann S-ting TFU. She's not taking any chances of losing her seat in 2014. Without West and Walsh, she's not going into the storm alone.

[Jungle Red]

Posted: 11/11/12 at 7:46pm

Poor Crazy Eyes. When she is up for re-election next?

[TheatreFan4]

Posted: 11/11/12 at 8:04pm

You know what's fun, when you look into how much is costs JUST to enter a franchise. This is Money in the bank that you need to have before they even consider you.

McDonald's costs you a $1.5Million fee just to enter the franchise before you even start building your restaurant. Then another $2Million for each full sized restaurant. You don't just enter these franchise on a whim, unless you have money to burn you don't even begin to think about opening a franchised restaurant or store. I work at a McDonald's. Our owner was rolling in the dough well before she and her husband EVER entered into the McDonald's game and she lives a modest house. Lots of land, a pool, helicopter, and an above average sized house. Anything we need for the store for our own comfort she will absolutely give up the money for.

These are not paupers trying desperately trying to cut expenses. These are rich tycoons who only want to expand their wealth by giving the shaft to their employees. Health Care? Jesus Christ! Can't be giving our employees that like the thousands of other businesses in this country. The sad thing there shouldn't be a law requiring this. It should be a basic necessary expense for their full time employees from THEM.

Updated On: 11/11/12 at 08:04 PM

[Jungle Red]

Posted: 11/11/12 at 8:30pm

Again, if you can take a $1.5M dollar gamble on a franchise, then you can afford the few extra pennies to invest in your employees health care.

That's a ridiculous amount of money.

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 11/11/12 at 8:54pm

I guess you just don't understand "the small business entrepreneur."

[Jungle Red]

Posted: 11/11/12 at 9:01pm

I guess I don't.

[AbbyNormal13]

Posted: 11/11/12 at 9:24pm

A few extra pennies?! I want to be on whatever insurance you're on because mine costs $500 a month.

You do realize minimum wage isn't supposed to be a living wage, right? It was meant for high schoolers/college students/people who want an extra job. Not to live on and raise families with. I have no problem with companies providing their employees with health care, but when you're forced to give your employees health insurance if you can't afford it, it's going to cause people to be laid off/have their hours cut.

[fingerlakessinger]

Posted: 11/11/12 at 9:28pm

oh look Abby, I see you are up to the old tricks of talking about subjects you have no real information on.
Some habits die hard.

Here's where you can learn some things about this act Abby/iliveintherealworld (which by the way, anyone else find that last screen name hysterical? Anyone who lives in the "real" world would see how stupid their arguments are. Just saying.)
http://hiring.monster.com/hr/hr-best-practices/workforce-management/employee-benefits-management/health-care-reform.aspx

Updated On: 11/11/12 at 09:28 PM

[TheatreFan4]

Posted: 11/11/12 at 9:35pm

You do realize minimum wage isn't supposed to be a living wage, right? It was meant for high schoolers/college students/people who want an extra job. Not to live on and raise families with. I have no problem with companies providing their employees with health care, but when you're forced to give your employees health insurance if you can't afford it, it's going to cause people to be laid off/have their hours cut.

It's not, but guess what toots, that's the world we live in. People take jobs that they can get and that's often for minimum wage. Many taking multiple jobs. At one point a manager at our McDonald's was working 3 jobs to feed her kids only sleeping between jobs and on her breaks. She's worked damn hard to support her kids and still does.

Papa John's can't afford it? Honestly how many small businesses that you know of that are higher several people at full time that's not a franchise or part of a corporation? To say they can't afford is laughable with the profits most of these corporations see.

[Reginald Tresilian]

Posted: 11/11/12 at 9:39pm

Abby, if you're curious about the subject of minimum-wage earners, take a peek at Barbara Ehrenreich's "Nickel and Dimed."

[fingerlakessinger]

Posted: 11/11/12 at 9:41pm

That would be asking her to think too much. We all know how that turns out.

[AbbyNormal13]

Posted: 11/11/12 at 9:44pm

What exactly is that supposed to prove to me? It says companies who employ 50 or more people and don't insure them, they're charged $2000 per employee. Do you have any experience in the real world fingerlakes? Are you even out of high school yet? How many people have you employed? My guess is zero. Do you know how many people Papa John's has employed? Thousands. And guess what! He built that company from the ground up, despite what obama might tell you about what they did and didn't build.

[Reginald Tresilian]

Posted: 11/11/12 at 9:45pm

Yeah, I nearly deleted my message once I got to "if you're curious," but I thought maybe someone else might make use of the information.

[Yawper]

Posted: 11/11/12 at 9:46pm

Actually the intent of the minimum wage law is to ensure a minimum standard of living:

§ 202. Congressional finding and declaration of policy

(a) The Congress finds that the existence, in industries engaged in commerce or in
the production of goods for commerce, of labor conditions detrimental to the
maintenance of the minimum standard of living necessary for health, efficiency, and
general well-being of workers

(1) causes commerce and the channels and instrumentalities of commerce to
be used to spread and perpetuate such labor conditions among the workers of
the several States;
(2) burdens commerce and the free flow of goods in commerce;
(3) constitutes an unfair method of competition in commerce;
(4) leads to labor disputes burdening and obstructing commerce and the free
flow of goods in commerce; and
(5) interferes with the orderly and fair marketing of goods in commerce. That
Congress further finds that the employment of persons in domestic service in
households affects commerce.

(b) It is declared to be the policy of this chapter, through the exercise by Congress
of its power to regulate commerce among the several States and with foreign
nations, to correct and as rapidly as practicable to eliminate the conditions above
referred to in such industries without substantially curtailing employment or earning
power.
The Fair Labor Standards Act Of 1938, As Amended

[AbbyNormal13]

Posted: 11/11/12 at 9:47pm

If obamacare is so great, why is everyone in the federal government who is putting it into place, exempt from it? The congress who passed it exempted themselves from it. Why do you think that is? Nancy Pelosi said "lets pass it so we can find out what in it." Why could they just explain what's in it so people actually knew what it was all about?

[Jungle Red]

Posted: 11/11/12 at 9:48pm

What insurance company/plan do you have that it costs you $500 a month?

I don't know how much my company pays for health insurance, but it's not $500 a month per employee.

[TheatreFan4]

Posted: 11/11/12 at 9:51pm

If obamacare is so great, why is everyone in the federal government who is putting it into place, exempt from it? The congress who passed it exempted themselves from it. Why do you think that is?

Because they already have an insurance plan! If your company offers insurance, then "Obamacare" doesn't effect you. You cannot be this stupid?

Q: What type of health insurance do members of Congress receive? Is it a single-payer, government-run system?

A: Members of Congress are covered by private insurance under the same system that covers all federal workers.

http://www.factcheck.org/2009/08/health-care-for-members-of-congress/

Updated On: 11/11/12 at 09:51 PM

[strummergirl]

Posted: 11/11/12 at 9:51pm

"You do realize minimum wage isn't supposed to be a living wage, right? It was meant for high schoolers/college students/people who want an extra job. Not to live on and raise families with. I have no problem with companies providing their employees with health care, but when you're forced to give your employees health insurance if you can't afford it, it's going to cause people to be laid off/have their hours cut."

Think of how those immigrants feel when they often get less than the standard minimum wage that few high school kids, let alone people who go to tony colleges, could give a rip about and then are constantly demeaned with the hostile phrase "illegal" and they're seen as the problem.

I'll move from the immigration 'debate' by mentioning how globalization and manufacturing jobs leaving areas of the country that they were once the #1 employer of that area, exacerbated this effect. Manufacturing jobs are lost and if there are no other jobs in that area and no real immediate options, you bet that unemployed person takes that minimum wage job and then the second one, maybe even a third as a means of support.

The age where you can get a good job based on a HS diploma is dead. You basically have to be the next big venture capitalist who didn't need college anyway or go into the armed forces. BTW, thank goodness the GI Bill was modernized under the Obama administration that would have otherwise just supported 2 years of community college in most parts of the country- not even supporting veterans at most public universities.

[fingerlakessinger]

Posted: 11/11/12 at 9:52pm

I'm sorry...is Abby actually asking if I'm the one out of High School? Honey please, I have been for three years and I'm in college. Unlike you, who we all know is still living with mommy and daddy while still attending good 'ol High School.
And to answer your question, I've employed ZERO amount of people.
Now since I have answered your questions, answer mine.
Did you actually read the FULL document that entails Obamacare?
Because if you did you would know that all your claims are bogus.
You do what typical right wing nutjobs do, ignore the facts and spout whatever Faux News tells them.
And I would normal say "Sorry if I sound mean" but I have absolutely no apologies for you. Some would say its mean to treat a high school age student this way, but you are clearly too ignorant to qualify for those rules.

*Just saw that others posted answers to her questions. Surely she can not be this ignorant.
And I would LOVE to know what insurance company she is attached to, because $500 a month is...ridiculous. I feel like once again, she is lying. Shocking I tell ya.

Updated On: 11/11/12 at 09:52 PM